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Well hey, if it's so inconsequential, you shouldn't mind if it's taken away.Imagine getting your knickers into such a wad about heavily stylized assorted pencil lines.
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Well hey, if it's so inconsequential, you shouldn't mind if it's taken away.Imagine getting your knickers into such a wad about heavily stylized assorted pencil lines.
As long as people have hands and something to draw with you can’t police what they choose to put on paper. Artistic censorship is ineffective and dictatorial.Well hey, if it's so inconsequential, you shouldn't mind if it's taken away.
I hate having to respond to effortposts, because I have to keep multiple points in check, but here we go:As long as people have hands and something to draw with you can’t police what they choose to put on paper. Artistic censorship is ineffective and dictatorial.
Going to edit this to save a double post for some additional thought.
Personally I believe pornography in the modern understanding is bad for society. All you have to do is graze thorough this thread to see this. Most of these loli crusaders are so brain rotten by porn that they can’t even see a child in pajamas without subconsciously sexualizing it. The widespread availability of free hardcore pornography in the modern world is incredibly damaging to young people. Remember the old saying, if something is free then you’re the product. It’s also exploitative of the performers, sadly. Now do I think porn should be illegal? Well, I do think that would benefit society, but no, adults should be able to watch what they choose, so long as said material doesn’t violate the law (CP, animal abuse, snuff…).
Now those considerations evaporate with erotic art like hentai, or erotic literature. There are no victims, and to say you can or can’t write or draw something is encroaching on one’s right to freedom of speech. Is it safe to assume those who read loli works are lolicons themselves? Probably most, though not all. Though as another user said, this is never enough for actual pedophiles, they need the real thing to satisfy their perversions, just like someone who’s a necrophiliac isn’t ever going to be satisfied with drawings of corpses, no, they’re hitting up Documenting Reality. So policing fictitious depictions wastes resources that are already incredibly limited that could be used to hunt people involved in actual child abuse. I’d much rather have officers putting all their effort into catching abusers rather than thumbing though every hentai manga that’s imported. And finally, anyone who lived through the Video Nasty scare in the UK will tell you censorship is a slippery fucking slope. Where do we stop? I just finished reading One Hundred Years of Solitude, which is regarded as one of the greatest works of Latin American literature. It has multiple depictions of adult/minor relationships (incestuous no less), should that be concerned obscene as well? What about Nabakov’s work or even well regarded erotic novels like Tropic of Cancer? It’s a Pandora’s box we shouldn’t what to open to save the assorted pencil stroke minors.
Off my high horse.
In the case of porn not being free speech, how exactly would anyone go about cutting down on drawing and writing forms of erotica without cutting into free speech?I hate having to respond to effortposts, because I have to keep multiple points in check, but here we go:
1. Porn is not free speech and that meme was only pushed in the 70s by pornographers to deconstruct a political freedom and associate are rights with taboo and obscenity.
2. The only people sexualizing depictions of little girls are the people jacking off to it. I have been around enough on the internet to know that they're not just 'in pajamas' and to insinuate that people that are against it are the real pedophiles is an incredibly weak and fallacious defense. "Arachnaphobic? You just want to fuck spiders." Need I remind you that the loli in lolicon is a reference to Lolita. So one wonders why there would be people going out to find their own Lolitas.
3. Resources towards controlling certain images and information is stretched thin, yes, but here in the States we don't have any laws against lolicon that wouldn't cover pornography in general and yet if resources are still stretched thin, why even bother enforcing laws regarding CSAM at all? Websites like KF take active roles in suppressing the dissemination of CSAM by removing offending content and banning posters. Struggles against problems like this may be monumental but they happen through collaborative efforts. Part of the push against lolicon is not just about its legality, but also shaming those who use/enable it and encouraging action be taken.
4. "It's just drawn images" is a cope that ignores the process that is happening here. You need to understand that the slippery slope is real and that with pornography, which you admit is 'bad for society,' there is a phenomenon in which viewers become more depraved as time goes on. I am entirely of the belief that lolicon, whose illustrated appearance both cleans up and fantasizes depictions of sexualized children, is a gateway for viewing of actual CSAM.
You're making it sound like porn didn't exist before the 70s, yet since the invention of the printing press there has always been a thriving market for pornography. Usually of the written kind, but pornographic lithographic material has been around for just as long.1. Porn is not free speech and that meme was only pushed in the 70s by pornographers to deconstruct a political freedom and associate are rights with taboo and obscenity.
Listen, if you want to go rag on lolicons, go ahead. There should be a thread for it. This one isn't it, though. I'm pretty sure 90% of the people posting in this thread agree that lolicons are deplorable degenerates, but this thread is about making fun of the people who get so incensed about lolicons that they get unreasonable, unhelpful or just plain perform self-owns in order to "own the lolicons".2. The only people sexualizing depictions of little girls are the people jacking off to it. I have been around enough on the internet to know that they're not just 'in pajamas' and to insinuate that people that are against it are the real pedophiles is an incredibly weak and fallacious defense. "Arachnaphobic? You just want to fuck spiders." Need I remind you that the loli in lolicon is a reference to Lolita. So one wonders why there would be people going out to find their own Lolitas.
Good. Go shame lolicons in the lolicon-shaming thread and leave this thread alone.3. Resources towards controlling certain images and information is stretched thin, yes, but here in the States we don't have any laws against lolicon that wouldn't cover pornography in general and yet if resources are still stretched thin, why even bother enforcing laws regarding CSAM at all? Websites like KF take active roles in suppressing the dissemination of CSAM by removing offending content and banning posters. Struggles against problems like this may be monumental but they happen through collaborative efforts. Part of the push against lolicon is not just about its legality, but also shaming those who use/enable it and encouraging action be taken.
You're putting the cart before the horse.4. "It's just drawn images" is a cope that ignores the process that is happening here. You need to understand that the slippery slope is real and that with pornography, which you admit is 'bad for society,' there is a phenomenon in which viewers become more depraved as time goes on. I am entirely of the belief that lolicon, whose illustrated appearance both cleans up and fantasizes depictions of sexualized children, is a gateway for viewing of actual CSAM.
The Soviet Union, one of the most long-lasting, centralized and authoritarian systems we've seen in history, banned pornography. And yet the little black books were still in circulation. Printers were seized, people were arrested, but there's always been demand for that stuff. Hell, most written pornography is consumed by women, you can find accounts of people in the 18th century bitching about how housewives' "scandalous" books were going to lead to the extinction of the human race.In the case of porn not being free speech, how exactly would anyone go about cutting down on drawing and writing forms of erotica without cutting into free speech?
Unlike pornography, it only needs a person to buy it, a person to sell it, and a stylus/platform. And that is to sell. To have, anyone can easily look up a drawing tutorial and create their own. And unlike pornography, there is no reason to share any sort of identity.
Many artists that do such work also clearly just do it for cash, and making it more difficult to purchase will just make it a more lucrative venture.
Speaking of, Danmei (chinese bl genre) is thriving despite the government trying to push back on that sort of thing.For a current example, pornography is also banned in China. There's still a thriving market there.
1. We’re talking about drawings, not porn in the western sense of Debbie Does Dallas, even then it’s a stretch as to whether it shouldn’t be protected under free speech. Different people are going to draw the line on different definitions of ‘porn’, some people would call Fifty Shades of Grey porn, and while it’s shit, it’s still dictatorial to censor. Hardcore porn has existed well before porn’s so called Golden Era, it was just more underground. I’m all for more regulations towards porn, but even if I disagree with it I’m not going to tell other adults what they can and can’t watch. It’s not my business as long as they’re not exposing kids to it.I hate having to respond to effortposts, because I have to keep multiple points in check, but here we go:
1. Porn is not free speech and that meme was only pushed in the 70s by pornographers to deconstruct a political freedom and associate are rights with taboo and obscenity.
2. The only people sexualizing depictions of little girls are the people jacking off to it. I have been around enough on the internet to know that they're not just 'in pajamas' and to insinuate that people that are against it are the real pedophiles is an incredibly weak and fallacious defense. "Arachnaphobic? You just want to fuck spiders." Need I remind you that the loli in lolicon is a reference to Lolita. So one wonders why there would be people going out to find their own Lolitas.
3. Resources towards controlling certain images and information is stretched thin, yes, but here in the States we don't have any laws against lolicon that wouldn't cover pornography in general and yet if resources are still stretched thin, why even bother enforcing laws regarding CSAM at all? Websites like KF take active roles in suppressing the dissemination of CSAM by removing offending content and banning posters. Struggles against problems like this may be monumental but they happen through collaborative efforts. Part of the push against lolicon is not just about its legality, but also shaming those who use/enable it and encouraging action be taken.
4. "It's just drawn images" is a cope that ignores the process that is happening here. You need to understand that the slippery slope is real and that with pornography, which you admit is 'bad for society,' there is a phenomenon in which viewers become more depraved as time goes on. I am entirely of the belief that lolicon, whose illustrated appearance both cleans up and fantasizes depictions of sexualized children, is a gateway for viewing of actual CSAM.
this guy sounds like a faggot but he has a point in which drawing your own family like this is perverted as all hell. drawing real kids in a porny artstyle with explicitly porny proportions and posting it on your 18+ account takes some balls, because it's actually cp to base shit like this off a real child, let alone her being this guy's sisterfound this thing. We don't have picture of said drawing so we can't judge and goind apshit against a crop top ans skinny jean isn't a bit a stretch?
Drawing a literal prepubescent child that is your sibling with clearly depicted breasts, a croptop exposing skin, and womanly proportions regarding her bottom and thighs is clear-as-crystal sexualization and pretty gross. This should not be up for debate.found this thing. We don't have picture of said drawing so we can't judge and goind apshit against a crop top ans skinny jean isn't a bit a stretch?
Fucking coomers, man. This is the kind of idiot that keeps the moral crusaders around.found this thing. We don't have picture of said drawing so we can't judge and goind apshit against a crop top ans skinny jean isn't a bit a stretch?
Is that an update? Because I thought that already was Twitter's policy, it was just completely unenforced. And currently unenforceable with how the site's code and database seems to be locked down after the purchase.This is a big day for schizos
Guess vtubing and anime shit really was taken over by the mainstream, though while it seems pretty retarded to be a lolita wearing moeshit vtuber of all things while being against loli, that collage of vtubers someone posted is surprising.Doublepost, but it's a funny thing I saw somewhere else and I was sure the farms would already have a writeup on:
Crosspost from the Vtuber thread.
(Courtesy of @Azchan, reposted without permission.)
So Kusuriko (random indie) "Graduated" over dumb Twitter drama. Don't really know anything about her.
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- For context she put up her Dakimakura for sale on a website that sells dakimakuras of lolis and shit.
- She asks for her merch to be removed as shee is not comfortable having her products in a site where lewd loli merch is sold.
- Website quickly takes her items off as she wanted.
- She proceeds to bitch and moan on Twitter about them selling "child porn".
Vtuber Cringe account posts about it.- She starts ranting and blocking everyone who doesn't agree with her.
Company says they are going to look into it.- Next day company comes out with statement above while at around the same time she announces her graduation.
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I guess the company didn't want to deal with it, especially after being at OffKai. She deleted most of her tweets but it was just the standard "I don't want to be associated with pedos" and at some point, she pulled the "I am a victim of CSA". I think these smaller groups (if they have management) should probably give a small workshop on how to address Twitter drama and how to de-escalate. I get she might not like what the store is selling and she might want to remove her product from their shop (which she was the one that initially had them add it) but the whole moral grandstanding is what fucked her over.
Extra: the original Vtuber Cringe thread on it. It goes on a while, including a virtue-signaling gore fetishist.
Corn Flakes' own take on it:
Yet another self-own to own the lolicons. She would have been suspended for infringing the same rules @Alessonincrippliningdepre posted earlier.
What is it with dumbass crusaders and posting the very porn they claim to hate?! Yes, it's censored. No, that doesn't make it any less CP if you're claiming it's CP. She could have said the exact same things (and likely gotten the same reaction) with words alone, but if you're trying to make a claim of someone doing something illegal, you shouldn't be doing the exact same damn thing.
I don't get it either. I mean, Japanese attitudes towards lolicon (95% of the examples there are girls, and even those are considered weird when they go too far) are just a whole series of rabbit holes in and of themselves.Guess vtubing and anime shit really was taken over by the mainstream, though while it seems pretty retarded to be a lolita wearing moeshit vtuber of all things while being against loli, that collage of vtubers someone posted is surprising.
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Its weird that (antis? Crusaders?) can be a huge fan of vtubers or say, something like Berserk, Fate, or Takagi, but completely ignore this sort of thing.
I was debating whether I should actually post this but everything here is more than enough I'd say.Doublepost, but it's a funny thing I saw somewhere else and I was sure the farms would already have a writeup on:
Crosspost from the Vtuber thread.
(Courtesy of @Azchan, reposted without permission.)
So Kusuriko (random indie) "Graduated" over dumb Twitter drama. Don't really know anything about her.
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- For context she put up her Dakimakura for sale on a website that sells dakimakuras of lolis and shit.
- She asks for her merch to be removed as shee is not comfortable having her products in a site where lewd loli merch is sold.
- Website quickly takes her items off as she wanted.
- She proceeds to bitch and moan on Twitter about them selling "child porn".
Vtuber Cringe account posts about it.- She starts ranting and blocking everyone who doesn't agree with her.
Company says they are going to look into it.- Next day company comes out with statement above while at around the same time she announces her graduation.
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I guess the company didn't want to deal with it, especially after being at OffKai. She deleted most of her tweets but it was just the standard "I don't want to be associated with pedos" and at some point, she pulled the "I am a victim of CSA". I think these smaller groups (if they have management) should probably give a small workshop on how to address Twitter drama and how to de-escalate. I get she might not like what the store is selling and she might want to remove her product from their shop (which she was the one that initially had them add it) but the whole moral grandstanding is what fucked her over.
Extra: the original Vtuber Cringe thread on it. It goes on a while, including a virtue-signaling gore fetishist.
Corn Flakes' own take on it:
Yet another self-own to own the lolicons. She would have been suspended for infringing the same rules @Alessonincrippliningdepre posted earlier.
What is it with dumbass crusaders and posting the very porn they claim to hate?! Yes, it's censored. No, that doesn't make it any less CP if you're claiming it's CP. She could have said the exact same things (and likely gotten the same reaction) with words alone, but if you're trying to make a claim of someone doing something illegal, you shouldn't be doing the exact same damn thing.
These are the two lessons Crusaders never learn:I was debating whether I should actually post this but everything here is more than enough I'd say.
I didn't screenshot it unfortunately but she protected her account to take the heat off of her before deleting almost all of the tweets involving the drama.
There should be a golden rule for these crusaders that needs to be strapped to their monitors with superglue:
"Do not call something CP if you are 100% comfortable with reposting it on your own account"