The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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I installed Windows 7 in a VM solely to use a non retarded file explorer. I don't know what Win11 Explorer is constantly "working on" but the same piece of software from 2009 in a constricted VM environment runs circles around it and immediately loads large folders while Win11 genuinely freezes. I had similar issues with Windows 10 explorer but it seems to have only gotten worse.

The actual OS stuff is fine in Windows 11 its the shell and the forced BS thats the problem.
I used rufus to install win 11 on my tpm/secureboot ok but not ok cpu. Runs fine, same as 10 did brand new. The first 6 months of Win 11 were a mess, and I had to do the latest full Win 11 update with rufus. But it's running entirely stable and pretty fast.

ETA, I newer had any problems with installing latest windows that were worst than the last version. From 3.1 on. I think a lot of it is lazy user error. The 11 requirements do take a bit of extra work though.
 
I don't know what Win11 Explorer is constantly "working on" but the same piece of software from 2009 in a constricted VM environment runs circles around it and immediately loads large folders while Win11 genuinely freezes. I had similar issues with Windows 10 explorer but it seems to have only gotten worse.
is the folder you are trying to access located on a slow hard drive? it sounds like windows defender is hogging access to the disk by trying to scan every file in the folder, try adding the folders you use often to exclusions and see if that fixes it
 
I installed Windows 7 in a VM solely to use a non retarded file explorer. I don't know what Win11 Explorer is constantly "working on" but the same piece of software from 2009 in a constricted VM environment runs circles around it and immediately loads large folders while Win11 genuinely freezes. I had similar issues with Windows 10 explorer but it seems to have only gotten worse.

The actual OS stuff is fine in Windows 11 its the shell and the forced BS thats the problem.
It's weird, for the first 6 months my Win 11 file explorer would take about 15 seconds of 'working on it' when I opened it too. I cleared out the cache settings on it, reindexed the system, and then some update they put out seemed to fix it. Was one of the big feature updates, maybe 2H22.

The best I could figure out is that it was actively connecting to my network computer, cause now it only hangs when in a similar way when I try to open that one in the Networks deal. It might have something to do with having networked folders in the 'Quick Access' area as well. Might be a combo of clearing out the autoloading networked folders and the updates they did, but it's pretty good now.
 
is the folder you are trying to access located on a slow hard drive? it sounds like windows defender is hogging access to the disk by trying to scan every file in the folder, try adding the folders you use often to exclusions and see if that fixes it
I turned off Defender and it doesn't matter the speed. It happens on a fast NVME drive as well as a 30TB NAS drive.

I see the same thing happening on my Macbook's Win11 VM explorer so I don't think it's isolated, from what I can figure out it's caused by the program iterating through each file to get meta info and it affects media files much worse.
 
ETA, I newer had any problems with installing latest windows that were worst than the last version. From 3.1 on. I think a lot of it is lazy user error. The 11 requirements do take a bit of extra work though.
You've never seriously used Windows 9x.
 
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You've never seriously used Windows 9x.
Oh yeah I did. Win98 improved on 95, and 98 SE improved on 98. ME, for me at least, wasn't any worse really than 98SE.

The one thing that drove me crazy about those were how doing an upgrade was a horrible experience. It was always better to do a clean install. It still is, but 10 to 11 is very painless. I think 11 is basically just a 10 service pack though, so it shouldn't be that bad.

The one thing that I really notice is that since 7 'OS Rot' basically went away. With the 9x stuff you'd really notice a slowdown after just 6 months of apps and just need a fresh clean install. And DLL hell was bad too. I've literally used every Windows version since since 3.1 . 3.11, even 2000 for awhile. I remember being amazed at how well Server 2003 ran, you could almost do any update without even rebooting. It wasn't until 7 that the consumer versions got a bit closer to that.

And to add, 11 reminds me a lot of 8. I hope 12 works out better and does something actually new. They seem to be delaying it, which to me is a good thing because frankly Windows doesn't have any Mac competition anymore and normies aren't going to use Linux anyway, so they might as well take their time and do it right.
 
Oh yeah I did. Win98 improved on 95, and 98 SE improved on 98. ME, for me at least, wasn't any worse really than 98SE.
ME was buggy as shit and MS should have never released it. It would have been better to sell Windows 98 for another couple years until XP was ready.

Shitty VxD drivers were another nightmare.
The one thing that drove me crazy about those were how doing an upgrade was a horrible experience. It was always better to do a clean install. It still is, but 10 to 11 is very painless. I think 11 is basically just a 10 service pack though, so it shouldn't be that bad.
They had to improve the upgrade process because with 10 and this "The last version" bullshit they essentially made every major update a full OS upgrade.
The one thing that I really notice is that since 7 'OS Rot' basically went away. With the 9x stuff you'd really notice a slowdown after just 6 months of apps and just need a fresh clean install. And DLL hell was bad too.
This is 100% user error and shitty apps, and it persists to this day.

DLL Hell was more or less solved for 32-bit programs by 1999.
And to add, 11 reminds me a lot of 8. I hope 12 works out better and does something actually new. They seem to be delaying it, which to me is a good thing because frankly Windows doesn't have any Mac competition anymore and normies aren't going to use Linux anyway, so they might as well take their time and do it right.
Windows 8's issues were easy to work around. Install a 3rd party Start menu, ignore the Metrosexual bullshit. I used it from the start of the public beta until about the middle of 2018 and never had the problems people were bitching about. The core OS was in many ways a clear improvement over Windows 7, which was really just Vista SP4 without the Vista name.

I also beta tested both Vista and 7. My only real interest in Windows 7 was that it was a proper 64-bit client edition of Windows, which XP x64 Edition was not, while not being dogshit slow like Vista. I would have been perfectly happy with XP 64 if Microsoft had put some effort into it instead of just copy-pasting a bunch of components from Server 2003 and calling it a day.

Windows 12 will be more spy garbage and more useless bloat, and will probbaly have even more stupid system requirements designed to get people to buy new computers.
 
The 9x kernel was a trash fire. They NEVER got it working properly, hence it getting junked and replaced by the NT kernel as of Win XP (or 2000, if you consider that a consumer OS).

Then AMD went to shit and Intel came up with something that wasn't shit,

AMD's foundry fell behind Intel's significantly, and this was back when you couldn't compensate by making the chip bigger and hotter.

Just curious, has anyone found an older game that won't run under Win 11 compatibility but will run using Wine in Linux?
 
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The 9x kernel was a trash fire. They NEVER got it working properly, hence it getting junked and replaced by the NT kernel as of Win XP (or 2000, if you consider that a consumer OS).



AMD's foundry fell behind Intel's significantly, and this was back when you couldn't compensate by making the chip bigger and hotter.

Just curious, has anyone found an older game that won't run under Win 11 compatibility but will run using Wine in Linux?
GTA San Andreas, probably.
 
I can't get GTA Vice City to run on Linux for some reason. It just shits itself. And that's weird because vast majority of stuff I try just works with no tinkering.
 
I have this really weird situation where a couple of games from the very early 2000s (Spider-Man 2002 and SpongeBob Employee of the Month) won't run and just die right after starting the exe, but sometimes if I autistically keep reopening the exe a bunch of times it'll launch.

I have no idea why it's like that. Only thing I can think of is maybe the games are trying to allocate memory they're not allowed to and maybe randomly find a section that's safe? I don't know, it's weird.
 
Only thing I can think of is maybe the games are trying to allocate memory they're not allowed to and maybe randomly find a section that's safe?
You'd get an "Application has stopped working" dialog box if your game attempted a memory access violation.

That's the modern equivalent of "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be closed" of yonder.

I have this really weird situation where a couple of games from the very early 2000s (Spider-Man 2002 and SpongeBob Employee of the Month) won't run and just die right after starting the exe, but sometimes if I autistically keep reopening the exe a bunch of times it'll launch.
That's really weird behavior. Have you tried setting compatibility settings in the exe's Properties?
 
That's really weird behavior. Have you tried setting compatibility settings in the exe's Properties?
Yep. I tried a bunch of things. I'm not the only one who's had issues with these games either, but I've never seen a solution.
What's extra bizarre is I tried running the SpongeBob one in a WinXP VM and I got the exact same issue. Meanwhile I had it working in earlier versions of Win10. It is an incredibly bizarre situation.
 
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Yep. I tried a bunch of things. I'm not the only one who's had issues with these games either, but I've never seen a solution.
What's extra bizarre is I tried running the SpongeBob one in a WinXP VM and I got the exact same issue. Meanwhile I had it working in earlier versions of Win10. It is an incredibly bizarre situation.
tempted to say "but some people said windows runs everything..?!"

might be a gpu driver issue since the VM probably has even less support. you could try stuff mentioned here: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants:_Employee_of_the_Month
 
Just curious, has anyone found an older game that won't run under Win 11 compatibility but will run using Wine in Linux?
PC Gaming Wiki. 99.9% of old Windows games can be ran natively under Win10/11 with enough wrappers to beat them into submission. I can run The Sims 1 natively under Win10 in 1080p. Yes, you need to fuck with shit to get it running under Windows, but let's not act like it works perfectly right after installing and running it under Wine in Linux.

You'll have to fiddle to get any of those running on any modern OS without emulation. Maybe it's a tad bit easier on Linux because some other sperg went through all that effort for you and made a Lutris package. But it's the same spiel going the hard way.
 
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"Microsoft is bringing Linux's sudo command to Windows 11"

??? Why ???
When would that ever have a use in Windows? Was "run as administrator" not enough options or some shit?
There've been third party implementations for more than a decade (with some limitations). Very convenient when one wants to avoid the hassle of right clicking and navigating and then clicking agian.
Trying to run any modern OS with modern software on a 2008 CPU is a fucking joke. Your browser alone is so massive it'll be shitting itself even on the most lightweight Debian setup. And if you don't have the SSE4 instruction set for this feature, then you also don't have AVX and AVX2, not to mention the pitiful performance of the hardware. It's e-waste, only good for retro builds.
Firefox ESR is kind of usable on a T60 with a (32-bit) Core Duo. Under Linux (with only one tab).
 
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