The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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How does one Ol' Yeller Windows Update for 11? It's waking a laptop even when it's unplugged, killing my batteries. This seemed to work yesterday but when I went to turn on the machine today it updated. Although I'm not 100% sure it wasn't because it was already losing its shit because it didn't update a couple weeks ago because it'd already killed the battery.

If you're going to tell me I need these updates, you are the worst kind of niggercattle and should join the other Windows ball-clingers on Reddit or the Windows forums.
If you have 11 Pro you can use Group Policy Editor to shut off updates. It'll pop up a notification a couple of times a day about needing to update but you can ignore it. I had to shut off my updates after one of them would make my screen black every start up. Explorer.exe was still running and I could use task manager and the command line. The vast majority of security updates are for programs I never use and the rest can be fixed with a simple registry edit.
 
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How does one Ol' Yeller Windows Update for 11? It's waking a laptop even when it's unplugged, killing my batteries. This seemed to work yesterday but when I went to turn on the machine today it updated. Although I'm not 100% sure it wasn't because it was already losing its shit because it didn't update a couple weeks ago because it'd already killed the battery.

If you're going to tell me I need these updates, you are the worst kind of niggercattle and should join the other Windows ball-clingers on Reddit or the Windows forums.
So it didn't wake up on it's own or drain the battery to install the updates when you didn't turn the laptop on yourself after using WinUtil? Sounds like that solved your issue so I don't know what your problem is. Maybe install Linux Mint if you're not having a good time with Windows 11 and you find another issue after solving one just so you can bitch about it?
 
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So it didn't wake up on it's own or drain the battery to install the updates when you didn't turn the laptop on yourself after using WinUtil? Sounds like that solved your issue so I don't know what your problem is. Maybe install Linux Mint if you're not having a good time with Windows 11 and you find another issue after solving one just so you can bitch about it?
It's all one issue. The reason the battery didn't get drained is because I had left the charger plugged in overnight. I used WinUtil to supposedly stop updates altogether. Can you see where I might be concerned it updated after it was supposed to be stopped? If it's just a lagging thing from the update it had ready to go that's fine, if this didn't work I'd like to figure out what will while I'm already fucking with the machine instead of finding out at some indeterminate point in the future when windows decides to be really inconvenient again.
If you have 11 Pro you can use Group Policy Editor to shut off updates.
Stuck with home so unless the WinUtil turned out to be a fluke it looks like I'll be downgrading to W10 LTSC.
 
It's all one issue. The reason the battery didn't get drained is because I had left the charger plugged in overnight. I used WinUtil to supposedly stop updates altogether. Can you see where I might be concerned it updated after it was supposed to be stopped? If it's just a lagging thing from the update it had ready to go that's fine, if this didn't work I'd like to figure out what will while I'm already fucking with the machine instead of finding out at some indeterminate point in the future when windows decides to be really inconvenient again.
In my experience Windows updates aren't inconvenient. With WinUtil's security update settings I get one update per month, it installs in the background, patiently waits for me to finish whatever it is that I'm doing, and the only inconvenience are the slightly longer shutdown and startup times as it finishes installing the update, after which it's back to normal. This by the way, is how Windows always was, it's an NTFS limitation where it has to apply the updates after unloading most of the OS and then before it even loads the OS since otherwise the files are locked, Linux file systems didn't have this issue so updates there always apply without a need for reboot, however it is still advised to reboot after Linux updates since the code running in memory will still be of the older version. I do agree that it would be worrying if it doesn't actually shut down all the way down and turns on at night on it's own to install the update, but if you solve this issue then the updates themselves are a non-issue. Them bringing in unwanted features is another.

You may want to look into disabling Fast Startup so that Windows actually shuts down. It's useless in the days of SSD's and multi-core CPU's you can utilize via msconfig, but what it does is that it doesn't actually shut your computer all the way down. Don't know if that's what Windows uses to turn itself on to do updates though. You can verify if it's on by looking into your Task Manager's system uptime. If it's days, or even weeks worth of uptime, it means whenever you turned your system off, it did the partial shutdown of Fast Startup. This can also cause issues of the usual nature, as in the TIOAOA doctrine fails to apply because you didn't actually TIO in the first place.
 
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Don't know if that's what Windows uses to turn itself on to do updates though.
There's a setting called "Allow wake timers" in the advanced power plan settings under [Sleep] which is for allowing/denying events to wake your computer up. Turning that off should allow your computer to stay in its sleep mode instead of it waking up due to the update service.

In theory anyway, whether this actually works as intended who fucking knows anymore but I suppose it is worth a try.

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My work PC updated to Win11 24H2. It became a little slower, now it takes me around 7 to 8 minutes to actually be ready to start working.
Then I saw the new file explorer.
What the FUCK is that thing? It looks like Edge, the This PC view, the one I personally default to, only shows the disk and doesn't show the main user folders.
By complete fluke I managed to pin the Desktop to the quick access bar, which I did want, but then I undid that somehow by going into the settings seeing if I could wrangle this shit into something acceptable. I can't. I'm stuck with this garbage.
All my life I used the Windows file explorer on every Windows just fine. If the day ever comes that I run Windows 11 at home it'll be the first time I look into third party explorers. It's that bad.
 
My work computer can't do search. It's running windows 10 and whenever I try to search for something on the network drive it can find it, but then refuses to reveal the path or let me open the file, open the file location, or move or copy the file. I've had to resort to using the commandline to find things
 
now it takes me around 7 to 8 minutes to actually be ready to start working
That's the issue of your work PC still using a hard drive in 2025. Even on a SATA SSD Windows 10/11 takes less than a minute to load from boot to desktop, assuming you're not loading any of your own crap on top.
It looks like Edge
It's written in React, just like the new taskbar and the new context menu. It's pretty trash yeah, but on the plus side the new taskbar being written in React allows for a shitton of customization via Windhawk. The double edged sword of webshit.
All my life I used the Windows file explorer on every Windows just fine
it'll be the first time I look into third party explorers
I've been using Total Commander for well over a decade and now I don't feel right when I have to use any version of Windows Explorer. Be it 98, XP, 7, or even 10 which is on my home PC and I end up opening it up on accident. TC is that much better that it's the very first thing I install on any computer or VM, and I carry a copy on my USB drive to use it on other people's computers.

If anything you've been a complete idiot relying on first party file explorers when better alternatives existed for decades. Even before Windows was a thing the file management debacle got figured out with Norton Commander in 1986, then with Windows Commander, now Total Commander in 1993.
My work computer can't do search. It's running windows 10 and whenever I try to search for something on the network drive it can find it, but then refuses to reveal the path or let me open the file, open the file location, or move or copy the file. I've had to resort to using the commandline to find things
You can't get the IT dept to install Everything on it? Assuming your workplace takes security seriously so you can't even run portable software on your system.
 
My work PC updated to Win11 24H2. It became a little slower, now it takes me around 7 to 8 minutes to actually be ready to start working.
Then I saw the new file explorer.
What the FUCK is that thing? It looks like Edge, the This PC view, the one I personally default to, only shows the disk and doesn't show the main user folders.
By complete fluke I managed to pin the Desktop to the quick access bar, which I did want, but then I undid that somehow by going into the settings seeing if I could wrangle this shit into something acceptable. I can't. I'm stuck with this garbage.
All my life I used the Windows file explorer on every Windows just fine. If the day ever comes that I run Windows 11 at home it'll be the first time I look into third party explorers. It's that bad.
You should have used it back when cut/copy/paste/rename got replaced by glyphs alone in the right-click menu.

Anyway, click

[ ... ] -> Options -> View -> Navigation Pane -> Show all folders

and now it shows what you expect it to. Microsoft decided the normies can't handle seeing a tree in their left hand pane, but elite users like you and me know what's what.
 
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How does one Ol' Yeller Windows Update for 11? It's waking a laptop even when it's unplugged, killing my batteries. This seemed to work yesterday but when I went to turn on the machine today it updated. Although I'm not 100% sure it wasn't because it was already losing its shit because it didn't update a couple weeks ago because it'd already killed the battery.

If you're going to tell me I need these updates, you are the worst kind of niggercattle and should join the other Windows ball-clingers on Reddit or the Windows forums.
personally i use ReviOS, you can basically disable windows updates in settings1744717090987.webp
 
My work PC updated to Win11 24H2. It became a little slower, now it takes me around 7 to 8 minutes to actually be ready to start working.
Then I saw the new file explorer.
What the FUCK is that thing? It looks like Edge, the This PC view, the one I personally default to, only shows the disk and doesn't show the main user folders.
By complete fluke I managed to pin the Desktop to the quick access bar, which I did want, but then I undid that somehow by going into the settings seeing if I could wrangle this shit into something acceptable. I can't. I'm stuck with this garbage.
All my life I used the Windows file explorer on every Windows just fine. If the day ever comes that I run Windows 11 at home it'll be the first time I look into third party explorers. It's that bad.
Filepilot is in beta and feels excellent to use. It still needs support for network shares though before its really usable. Unfortunately the dev has a really unrealistic pricing model as well. It will make you realize just how painfully slow the default file explorer is
 
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the dev has a really unrealistic pricing model
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$250 for a full perpetual license.
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Then again, Directory Opus is next tier, since you will have to pay yearly to get your updates no matter what.

Meanwhile, the Swiss gigachad:
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>fixed €42 license cost
>includes:
>lifetime updates
>unlimited devices
>backwards compatibility back to Windows 95/3.11
>if you're not willing to pay and can suffer through the nag screen it's "free"
>/oneguy/ developed it solo for over three decades
>never changed his fees to get more money
>long time community and plugin ecosystem

If you don't pay Mr. Ghisler for the best file manager for Windows ever made, and instead go for overpriced "pay us forever" trash, you're a retard.
 
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Throwing this out there since most resources online are just Indians shitting it up, but anyone have any experience with Windows updating and logging out of everything? Programs including Discord, Steam, logging out of browsers etc? It's happened to my guy twice and it's frustrating seeing him troubleshoot and seeing the question posed to hoards of Pajeets not understanding the issue at hand.

Editing to add, the first time it happened it also fucked with him being able to actually log into his computer at all. He uninstalled the update, then this time the log in went fine, but then everything else was logged out.
 
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I have a question for the general audience here. How do you feel about anti-virus software in the current day and age? In the past I wouldn't have dreamed of using a Windows computer without a solid anti-virus package (not Norton, obviously). These days with Windows Defender built-in, so much better anti-malware efforts happening by ISPs, Microsoft, etc. I'm wondering if it's still something people consider critical? For a start, nearly everything I install these days I'm installing with Winget!
 
I have a question for the general audience here. How do you feel about anti-virus software in the current day and age? In the past I wouldn't have dreamed of using a Windows computer without a solid anti-virus package (not Norton, obviously). These days with Windows Defender built-in, so much better anti-malware efforts happening by ISPs, Microsoft, etc. I'm wondering if it's still something people consider critical? For a start, nearly everything I install these days I'm installing with Winget!
The internet is a lot more cleaner now. How often do you find an installer installing RealPlayer alongside what you want?

I guess if you're schizo enough about that sort of thing then an anti-virus would good to have but modern Windows Defender and not downloading "winblowze-6.0.1_crack.exe" from softonic works well enough for today methinks.
 
I have a question for the general audience here. How do you feel about anti-virus software in the current day and age? In the past I wouldn't have dreamed of using a Windows computer without a solid anti-virus package (not Norton, obviously). These days with Windows Defender built-in, so much better anti-malware efforts happening by ISPs, Microsoft, etc. I'm wondering if it's still something people consider critical? For a start, nearly everything I install these days I'm installing with Winget!
Generally there isn't a need to use paid antivirus, and many antiviruses use a hostile business model that makes using them even worse. I think Norton 360 had something where it came as a free trial on computers but once the trial was up it would disable itself but not re enable the default windows antivirus
 
I have a question for the general audience here. How do you feel about anti-virus software in the current day and age? In the past I wouldn't have dreamed of using a Windows computer without a solid anti-virus package (not Norton, obviously). These days with Windows Defender built-in, so much better anti-malware efforts happening by ISPs, Microsoft, etc. I'm wondering if it's still something people consider critical? For a start, nearly everything I install these days I'm installing with Winget!
I think modern options of firewalls, regularly installing OS and application security updates, content blocker web extensions like uBlock origin, downloading the viruses first to boost your computer's immunity running completely untrusted programs in airgapped virtual machines, regularly backing up your data, and "just don't install sketchy shit bro :v)" is sufficient enough. If a machine is already infected I'd rather reformat instead of playing whack-a-mole.

For the (elderly) family in my life who legitimately don't know any better about not downloading random applications or "*.mp3.exe", I recommend stock Windows Defender or MalwareBytes, even if its just staving off the inevitable.

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I have a question for the general audience here. How do you feel about anti-virus software in the current day and age? In the past I wouldn't have dreamed of using a Windows computer without a solid anti-virus package (not Norton, obviously). These days with Windows Defender built-in, so much better anti-malware efforts happening by ISPs, Microsoft, etc. I'm wondering if it's still something people consider critical? For a start, nearly everything I install these days I'm installing with Winget!
Not that long ago I was considering uninstalling Bitdefender and just not running anything. Not even WinDefender.
When I'm looking for something online and want to be more brazen about the links I click, I do it in a VM. Before running an executable from such sources, also in a VM, I check VirusTotal. If Bitdefender is the odd one out, the only engine that "detects" something, I deem it a false positive.
So given that I rely so much on VirusTotal, why do I even want this if I'm rarely in a position for it to flare up and then, when it does, I'm almost certainly going to add it as an exception and move on?
I'm keeping it for now, but I already feel like it'll be the last AV I run. The vast majority of them are dumpster fires and just finding one that isn't fucking annoying is a mission. Once it annoys me enough, it's gone. And WinDefender is likely staying off.
 
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