The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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I need to make absolutely sure the image I'm attaching is the right one I hope nobody saw that other picture
 
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I shit you not, I woke up today, for no good reason, mere minutes before snapping this screenshot, and I just so happened to check KF at the exact moment this got posted. It's like I got some astral being telling me that Betonhaus is about to fuck up and I have to wake up to screenshot it for posterity. :story:
 
I shit you not, I woke up today, for no good reason, mere minutes before snapping this screenshot, and I just so happened to check KF at the exact moment this got posted. It's like I got some astral being telling me that Betonhaus is about to fuck up and I have to wake up to screenshot it for posterity. :story:
Better than I thought it would be, I guess?

He's repeatedly mentioned his porn tastes when talking about his Jellyfin server
 
amazing design
Blame Dave Cutler for not allowing files under NTFS to be updated when they are in use. Windows has to update them after unloading 99% of the OS and before loading it by design. Microsoft enforcing those update shutdowns/restarts from 10 onward is another story though.

Then again, those Linux psychos that keep up years long uptimes of their PC's just to boast their neofetch screenshots will be running outdated, possibly vulnerable code in memory despite Linux filesystems allowing for those "live updates" so to speak. So yeah, in a way Microsoft enforcing those restarts has a point, even if not letting you to just close your shit right here and then and postpone the update to a time where you can spend those few minutes waiting for it to finish is pants-on-head retarded.
 
Blame Dave Cutler for not allowing files under NTFS to be updated when they are in use. Windows has to update them after unloading 99% of the OS and before loading it by design. Microsoft enforcing those update shutdowns/restarts from 10 onward is another story though.
Know much about ReFS? I had it in Windows 8 or 10 (I forget) and then an update from Microsoft meant I could no longer create new ReFS file systems which screwed me over somewhat and led to much transferring of files. I had no particularly good reason to be using ReFS, I just like shiny new stuff. But apparently it's now a hidden option for installing W11 with and is going to be the future at some point.

And I'm just going to ignore that @Betonhaus just posted nudes of his parents.
 
The right mix of Win10's flatness, darkness and angularity with Aero's blur and eye candy I guess? Sounds like a good idea but unfortunately the current zeitgeist wouldn't let that happen.
Windows UI has felt like five different teams who don't communicate at all are designing it for years, and they also just sort of mindlessly copy trends without rhyme or reason. I doubt there was any justification for moving the Start button to the middle beyond "Apple does it." Same with that awful flat UI for Win 10, it felt like somebody told them, "Hey, flat is the 'in' thing now, quick, make everything flat."
 
Windows UI has felt like five different teams who don't communicate at all are designing it for years, and they also just sort of mindlessly copy trends without rhyme or reason. I doubt there was any justification for moving the Start button to the middle beyond "Apple does it." Same with that awful flat UI for Win 10, it felt like somebody told them, "Hey, flat is the 'in' thing now, quick, make everything flat."
Windows UI feels like that because every time there was a design change, they've just layered it on top of all the old components. In Windows 11, you'll have UI's from 11, 10, 8.1/8, 7/Vista, XP, 2000, 95/98 and 3.11, as even during the NT 3.x/4.0/2000 development era you'd have MS layering shit on top of each other, and a bunch of legacy leftovers survived it to 11. It's also why 8 was when Windows' UI fate was sealed, after they've added the terrible Metro tablet BS, it was added for good.

Win10 was flat because it was a continuation of Microsoft's Metro design language they've first introduced with Zune back in 2006. In a way Microsoft was ahead of the curve in the flat design race. And while yes, a lot of Win11's Fluent design language just screams "COPY APPLE NOW" and feels really tacky, credit where credit's due: gradients. All those soft gradients make a massive difference in how the OS feels and how the user interacts with it. It's still a far cry from the perfection that is Aero or anything that would be the right stopgap between that and Metro, but it is a step in the right direction nonetheless. Metro's flat color everything was just awful.
 
Windows 2000 was peak UI design. It was easy to read and organized.

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You don't understand. Being able to tell what I'm clicking on is aesthetic dishonesty. A good UI is one that perpetually confuses and annoys the user by rigorously adhering to abstract principles laid down by an academic who has never shipped successful software.
 
A good UI is one that perpetually confuses and annoys the user by rigorously adhering to abstract principles laid down by an academic who has never shipped successful software.
Someone needs to make a theme that implements Edward Tufte's Windows redesign. "This window frame really could be replaced with a faint borderless stripe of lemon yellow..."
 
Windows UI has felt like five different teams who don't communicate at all are designing it for years, and they also just sort of mindlessly copy trends without rhyme or reason. I doubt there was any justification for moving the Start button to the middle beyond "Apple does it." Same with that awful flat UI for Win 10, it felt like somebody told them, "Hey, flat is the 'in' thing now, quick, make everything flat."
If the UI stayed consistent, a lot of designers would be out of work.

I'd argue 90%+ of the changes made in Windows between releases are completely unnecessary and just being done as a giant make work program.
 
Windows 2000 was peak UI design. It was easy to read and organized.

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I want an excuse to install Windows 2000 on one of my vintage PCs but it seems like such a worthless OS today.

The UI is just a copy of Windows 98.

It doesn't have anything special to run that Windows XP can't run with more compatibility.

I remember it being much faster than Windows XP on Pentium 2/3 era hardware that I was using (late) 2004-2007 before replacing those systems with better hardware. In that era Win2000 could do anything XP could do just with less BS in the way, and no stupid dog in the search dialog.
 
The UI is just a copy of Windows 98.
To be more pedantic, it's a copy of Windows Me. Microsoft added a few extra touches here and there compared to 98, but of course, their insistence on keeping NT for the businesses and 9x for the masses backfired hard. Me was a disaster, 2000 got ricochet damage from that, and then in 2001 Windows XP happened to consolidate both Windows branches under NT.

Still, 2000 represents what an operating system should be. Clean, stable, zero unnecessary bloat, doesn't get in user's way to run all the software that the user needs to run to do their work. Something neither Windows nor Linux can deliver nowadays, both will have some gotcha compromise you'll have to deal with.
 
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To be more pedantic, it's a copy of Windows Me.
Incorrect. 2k was in development before 98 SE was released and was RTM at the end of 1999. It took its design cues from 98 and 98 SE; ME took its design cues from 2k and was an attempt to extend the lifespan of the 9x series in preparation for the release of an NT-based consumer OS.

ah, cougared...
 
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