“This Is What Your Worlds Are Lacking”: Artists Are Using AI To Create Fat, Black Sci-Fi And Fantasy Characters

Ran across an artist in the deathfats thread who linked to this article. The "art" in this article is all AI.

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“This Is What Your Worlds Are Lacking”: Artists Are Using AI To Create Fat, Black Sci-Fi And Fantasy Characters​

“Fat, Black people deserve to be main characters capable of anything.”

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The AI artist Jervae (right) and one of their creations

As a young child growing up in Greenville, North Carolina, artist Alex Smith spent a lot of his time engrossed in the world of cartoons and comics, devouring works like Battle of the Planets, X-Men, and Doom Patrol.

In college, Smith first encountered science fiction novels by Octavia E. Butler and Samuel R. Delany, both of whom he admired because “they were Black and absolutely, phenomenally awesome.”

“They both showed me that sci-fi could have literary quality, could be progressive and liberatory,” Smith added. “Just their ideas, world-building, and love of language fascinated me.”

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Alex Smith

He was hooked. “Sci-fi is kinda like my church,” said Smith, who is now age 47 and living in Philadelphia. “It’s spiritual and very much connected to who I am as a Black, queer person.” The problem with his church, however, is that there isn’t very much Black (or queer) representation.

Mainstream sci-fi features Black characters like Morpheus from The Matrix, Mace Windu from Star Wars, and Lt. Commander La Forge and Nyota Uhura from Star Trek. But in general, Black characters aren’t afforded the same prominence and screentime as their white counterparts. And when Black people are present, they tend to be cishet assumed and conventionally attractive. Fat, Black bodies are a rarity.

“It just astonishes me that fat people in general are treated and depicted as second-class citizens in science fiction works, or they're made to represent something like greed, lust, or villainy,” Smith said, pointing to the character of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in Dune. "I used to do a queer sci-fi reading series called Laser Life,” he added, “and when I was on the hunt for guest readers, the very first story I received depicted a villain who was fat. The character's fatness was described in loathsome terms and was considered an obvious indicator of their villainy. It’s really disappointing.”

So when easily accessible AI art generators came along last year, Smith, already an established visual artist, adopted these tools to create several Black, fat, and queer characters from a more inclusive futuristic world. Among them was Marcus, whom Smith brought to life using Midjourney and D-ID, an AI platform that creates talking avatars. Marcus heads up a division of the Electric Afro Science Institute, which Smith called “a superhero-led independent afrofuturist organization that works in biomechanics, cosmic engineering, nanotechnology, medical alchemy.”

Smith described Marcus, who is queer, as “kind of a smart alec. A big, cuddly nerd who thinks he’s a little bit gangster. He likes studying moths and ants and tries to see what about the lives of insects can be replicable in human life.” In one animated portrait of Marcus, which Smith posted on his Instagram, the character asks, “Who out here gonna draw me?”

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“[The question is] Marcus saying, Hey, I have a right to exist, even if I’m “artificial.” I still came from a human mind and a human idea. I should exist,” Smith explained. He added, “It’s kind of a declaration that both Marcus and my work will always exist to provide that challenge to other artists by holding up a mirror and saying, ‘Hey, this is what your worlds are lacking.’”

Smith is not alone in holding up that mirror. A number of other Black creators are using AI to build more inclusive worlds. Take Jervae, a 38-year-old, San Diego–based performance artist and spiritualist who uses Midjourney to make ethereal portraits of themself and other fat, Black femmes. “When using my own image prompts, I use descriptors like ‘imagine this image as a body of water’ or ‘imagine this as a poster for an alien nail salon’ to explore different versions of myself,” they said.

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Jervae

Rochelle Brock, a 27-year-old Brooklyn-based, size-inclusive beauty and lifestyle photographer, got into digital art via creating families on The Sims. Now, she uses Midjourney to explore both the quotidian aspects of fat, Black life and to create more majestic pieces that showcase fat, Black bodies in the form of angels, mermaids, and other mythical creatures.

“It sort of sucks to know you are undesirable and underrepresented in the real world and the fantasy world as well,” Brock said. “I see fat women as beautiful beings who are capable of anything, and I wanted AI to see them as that also.”

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Rochelle Brock

And then there’s @fatniggaai, a 33-year-old North Carolina artist who asked that BuzzFeed News not use her real name. @fatniggaai describes her AI art as a visual ode to “those who are fat, Black, dark-skinned, queer, trans, working-class poor, who access education outside of institutions, who are crazy/mad and who are hood.” They largely use Midjourney to create their art, which ranges from the “playful” and “unthinkably gorgeous” to the more terrifying.

“My AI work is an extension of me inviting myself and other fat, Black queer trans folks to see ourselves in the most expansive way possible,” said @fatniggaai, who added that she wasn’t particularly into sci-fi, but appreciated the worldbuilding aspect of it. “What I'm really interested in with my AI art is depictions of fat, Black queer and trans folks that are rooted in not being beautiful but rooted in being terrifying and looking very off-putting while also spilling over with agency.”

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@fatniggaai

The latest AI art generators “democratize art by giving people access to programs that are fairly low cost,” Susan Morris, a writer and professor at Georgia Tech, told BuzzFeed News. But when it comes to creating fat, Black renders, there are a number of obstacles.

Jervae noted that they have to be as specific as possible when using keywords pertaining to fatness and Blackness. “When I first started recreating myself in Midjourney, I realized that I couldn’t just put in the word ‘fat.’ I have to write things like ‘very, very fat, with a double chin and wide nose’ and ‘a very, very large belly,’” they said. “If I say anything like ‘beautiful’ or ‘pretty,’ it automatically makes me thin and/or have eurocentric features.”

And there are other hindrances. “Midjourney won’t let me say things like ‘big butt’ or upload images with any cleavage whatsoever,” Jervae said. “But I do notice that thin models, of course, can show whatever they like in their prompts without being flagged.” @fatniggaai said that prompts like “intersex” and, at some point, even “hairy” were banned.

@fatniggaai pointed out other limitations. She recalled trying to generate images of fat, Black people lounging on couches. “I even added words like ‘spacious,’ but the couches were vacuum-sealed onto these fat bodies.” She called it “wild” that a “machine that has access to every image in the world ever produced is so restrictive in its imaginative capacity that it has decided that if a person is fat, and they are sitting on a couch, that they should be too big for it.”

“That blew my mind that I have to ask AI for accommodations,” they added.

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Rochelle Brock, Alex Smith

On the other hand, AI can be surprisingly good when it comes to skin tones for fat, Black bodies. “The images I generate are almost exclusively of dark-skinned folks, and a benevolent byproduct of racism is that AI has only considered Black, fat people as dark-skinned,” @fatniggaai said.

As imperfect and rooted in white supremacy as AI image generators may be, the artists BuzzFeed News spoke to saw them as important tools for self-expression and proper representation. Smith pointed out why his AI-generated character Marcus is important: “He’s more crush material for burgeoning young queer boys who might think there isn’t a person out there who looks like them or who they can fall in love with.”

For Brock, the message of her artwork is clear and simple. “Fat, Black people deserve to be main characters capable of anything,” she said. “We are just here like everyone else.”
 
I made the unfortunate choice to look up the artist behind this travesty of a comic, because I wanted to see if it was all this bad or if this was some sort of bizarre choice just for this comic.

Everything he draws is _really obviously_ fat fetish art, specifically fat Mexican dudes wearing luchador masks for some autistic reason.

The artist can't make any sort of argument that it's some sort of 'self love' cope, because he looks like this. So yeah, it's obviously his very specific fetish.

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He's a "self-taught" artist, probably because art school doesn't let you beat off while doing your assignments.
Makes a lot of sense then, nothing against self taught artists (started out as one myself) but there's a difference between the "learn from constant practice" self taught and the "fuck you this is MY personal style" self taught

This white nigga is part of the latter while drawing with a hand down his boxers
 
This ‘article’ also forgot a major black character in the Star Trek universe. Captain Sisko, who not only commands the space station DS9, but also commands a star ship, The U.S.S. Defiant. He is also the Emissary of the Prophets to the Bajorans. Buzzfeed, get your shit together.
Ben Sisko and his motherfuckin’ pimp hand (aka the Defiant) were left out deliberately:
1) Sisko is male
2) Sisko is straight
3) Sisko does NOT exert his own gravitational pull
4) Sisko is hot (yes, I said it, fite me)

I’m not sure which of the sins on the list is the greatest (I suspect it’s the presence of danglies but I can’t really be sure) in the minds of the obese narcissists that are the subject of this article, but by their powers combined, Ben Sisko absofuckinglutely doesn’t count.
 
This ‘article’ also forgot a major black character in the Star Trek universe. Captain Sisko, who not only commands the space station DS9, but also commands a star ship, The U.S.S. Defiant. He is also the Emissary of the Prophets to the Bajorans. Buzzfeed, get your shit together.
The writer likely doesn't know who Sisko is because the writer has probably never heard of DS9.
 
Yes that’s exactly the word I was looking for.
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She looks like she's being propelled by pink farts. :lol:

Everyone here is ready for an appointment with Dr Now. Do these whales think that any of them would be picked for a space mission at that weight? This art wouldn't be appealing to anyone but feeders who are into sci fi.

Also, I thought I saw Samuel R. Delany mentioned somewhere on the Farms as being a pervert.

And I was right. Fucker thinks NAMBLA did nothing wrong abd that everyone misunderstands them. He also wrote a book about a pedo who doesn't bathe and kidnaps a kid he names Cocksucker.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/scien...-association-sfwa.149452/page-3#post-14801398

An excerpt from the book in question, Hogg, is in the OP. Read at your own risk. NSFL.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/science-fiction-and-fantasy-writers-association-sfwa.149452/

Ben Sisko and his motherfuckin’ pimp hand (aka the Defiant) were left out deliberately:
1) Sisko is male
2) Sisko is straight
3) Sisko does NOT exert his own gravitational pull
4) Sisko is hot (yes, I said it, fite me)

I’m not sure which of the sins on the list is the greatest (I suspect it’s the presence of danglies but I can’t really be sure) in the minds of the obese narcissists that are the subject of this article, but by their powers combined, Ben Sisko absofuckinglutely doesn’t count.

I was thinking of Rembrandt Brown from Sliders. A really great and likable character. But he's also straight and male and would not be mistaken for hogzilla. Although there was that episode where he gave birth. That should count for something.
 
All of them look so stupid and petulant. I don't know what it is about them, but they all look too stupid to wear a helmet in space.

They, for some reason, all look stupid, petulant, and entitled.
Unfortunately, stupid and petulant seems to be the default expression and personality for fat black women.

See also: a (nobody) cow from our very own farms, called Jude Valentin, who I swear half of these pictures look like they're imitating.
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Why the hell are people so obsessed with turning the idealization in fiction and fantasy into a hideous nightmare born out of the worst of reality these days?! I mean as if edgelords always demanding grimdark, tragedy and "grit" (in the name of "realism" in fantasy) weren't bad enough!
 
You don't need science fiction or AI to create fat black people. McDonald's exists here and now.
 
one thing these people seem to constantly overlook when it comes to sci-fi is that the only people who are overweight in those settings are the greedy evil people.
 
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