Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

[The Nothingness]

Not sure if this meme has been posted yet.

 

[RodgerDodger]

For the more legally minded types, fairly informative Youtuber "What's Going On With Shipping" has a pretty good piece going through the legalities of what the US Coast Guard and NTSB are doing. Including some initial causes for investigation by the Coast Guard that are very informative.

Apparently this sub was much much more illegal than we thought. And the "loophole" that it supposedly operated under doesn't really exist. At least according to the Coast Guard. Although it will all come down to one word in the Regulations.

Also bonus. The US Coast Guard does mandate inspection and certification of commercial passenger carrying submersibles.

Also a question for @AnOminous How binding is that waiver contract, if the contract was for the deliberate performance of an illegal or unlawful act? And what is the impact if only one party to the contract, Oceangate, knew that it was a blatantly illegal act?

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Nonono! He was a visionary and thinking outside the box. Isn't that how such tech geniuses as Elon Musk, Steve Jobs and the rest of them made it big?

But seriously when actual experts with submarines say you're fucking up and this sub would be rated for one dive and you ignore them you deserve everything you get. The bad part is having to kill a bunch of people in the process.

We laughed at Einstein

We laughed at Galileo

We laughed at Columbus

We laughed at Archimedes

We also laughed at Bozo the Clown

Do you understand?

 

[DootSkeleton]

I feel bad for the scientist and the kid that was scared shitless but went with his dad that were on board. The other three I literally could not care less.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I feel bad for the scientist

I don't because he went went to the Titanic 37 times as a leading researcher and knew what a sub should be like and yet he saw that piece of trash that was the Titan and thought it's worth paying fucking $ 250.000.

The kid was the only one who didn't deserve it. But the rest was a bunch of idiots with way too much money.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I'm not sure if the gear was screwed directly to the carbon fiber or it there was an interior liner.

Looks to me as if the inner liner is stainless steel. I suspect the carbon fibre was wound around a stainless tube, to create the pressure hull.

 

[Snekposter]

Have had my logitech controller for many years now. Is it perfect? No, but is a fully functional game controller that plays fun games really well like Spongebob battle for bikini bottom. Any attempt to degrade it over this isn't being fair.

Same. I've got an F310 that's the wired version of what they used, DInput/XInput switch and all, and I've not had any problems with it despite constantly knocking it off my desk onto the floor by accident.

If the game controller survived it would be great advertisement to the company

Wouldn't shock me. According to this thread I'm not the only one with an F310 that's built like it was contracted out to Nokia. I am however mildly disappointed that it turned out to be a fake in the end, though.

the ocean is a brutal environment that will fuck you in half in two seconds flat if you thumb your nose at it

I need to correct you on this, because I think these people got fucked flat in half a second.

shear idiocy

Pun intended, I hope.

Nonono! He was a visionary and thinking outside the box. Isn't that how such tech geniuses as Elon Musk, Steve Jobs and the rest of them made it big?

And yet for how shoddily-built 90% of a Tesla is the batteries don't appear to be any more dangerous than any other giant block of lithium. In fact they may even be slightly safer!

 

[AnOminous]

Also a question for @AnOminous How binding is that waiver contract, if the contract was for the deliberate performance of an illegal or unlawful act? And what is the impact if only one party to the contract, Oceangate, knew that it was a blatantly illegal act?

In the U.S., it wouldn't be for gross negligence or actual criminal acts. I'm not sure about the Bahamas, but there must be some reason sleazy tourist ships always fly that flag.

 

[1962s Godzilla]

Huh. So history does repeat itself.

https://fortune.com/2023/06/22/oceangate-ceo-stockton-wendy-rush-missing-titan-submersible-descendant-titanic/

 

[JustSomeDong]

Despite all the earlier jokes and memes, I'm thinking that a budget Logitech controller was the only well built, reliable component of the deathtrapsubmersible.

 

[Hall of Cost Payer]

I don't because he went went to the Titanic 37 times as a leading researcher and knew what a sub should be like and yet he saw that piece of trash that was the Titan and thought it's worth paying fucking $ 250.000.

The french dude PH Nargoleot didn't pay for it, he was part of the crew and supposed to tell the paying millionaires all about the Titanic and stuff.

I think he's a victim of Stockton Rush or OceanGate here, but his presence validated this piece of shit tin can as a valid vessel to visit the Titanic with. Which makes him kinda compliant with the death of the other 3.

 

[Procrastinhater]

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Looks to me as if the inner liner is stainless steel. I suspect the carbon fibre was wound around a stainless tube, to create the pressure hull.

That would make sense and it does sort of look that way on that picture, then again I've seen high res shots of the inside and in other shots the inner walls look like carbon fiber weave.
If there's an inner metal layer, it's just adding another failure point, as dissimilar materials react to pressure and compression in different ways, it's just more chance for the thing to delaminate and seperate and allow water in through the seams.

 

[make_it_so]

If he wasn't deep ocean paste, OceanGate and Stockton Rush would get their own thread here.

He's a perfect candidate for the Lolcows of History subforum.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I'm surprised the "sub" isn't just a stupid box that goes about 400 feet down with the "porthole" just being a HDTV lol

Rush missed out on a way to make a fortune relatively safely by doing something like that.
He could have pitched it that "we didn't put in a porthole because we were concerned about customer safety, but we use 60" 4K screens attached to external cameras for a better view than would be possible through a porthole anyway" and then just built something that goes down a couple of hundred feet and sits there for 8 hours, then used remote operated Deep Sea Drones to get up close and stunning footage to be transmitted to the screens on board.
Everyone would have been safe, the customers would have been none the wiser, and he could have made a fortune.
Won't work now though.
This shit show has likely compromised the entire concept of Deep Sea Tourism for the next hundred years.

 

[Fornicario]

They've begun to retrieve the pieces of beer can from the litter pile. Looks like Oceangate may get the deposit back. The pop-top survived, ironically.

 

[Oxyjen]

That would make sense and it does sort of look that way on that picture, then again I've seen high res shots of the inside and in other shots the inner walls look like carbon fiber weave.
If there's an inner metal layer, it's just adding another failure point, as dissimilar materials react to pressure and compression in different ways, it's just more chance for the thing to delaminate and seperate and allow water in through the seams.

I dunno, you need something in there to support the filament as you start the wet layup, and it may as well stay in place and perform some function (cosmetic, or practical like mounting 4K TVs onto).
Reading up on composite submersible research papers (yes, there are quite a few) it seems that the typical failure mode is localised buckling and delamination of the inside layer first, at the point closest the the middle. Makes sense. A metal tube inside, especially if bonded in, could help with that.
Still, all advice seems to be stay the fuck away from composites for your pressure vessel, there’s too much uncertainty in the manufacturing to ever trust your life to, even if it is designed properly with decent safety margins.

The other thing I hate about it is the lack of seats. It would be like being in a passenger jet that’s a perfect cylinder inside. Fine 90% of the time but it only takes one bad bit of turbulence or piloting for everyone to end up in a bloody pile at one end. Stupid.

I need to correct you on this, because I think these people got fucked flat in half a second.

I’m hearing Time to Fucked Flat (TFF) estimates of double digit milliseconds. Below about 200ms you won’t even know about it.

 

[Snekposter]

Despite all the earlier jokes and memes, I'm thinking that a budget Logitech controller was the only well built, reliable component of the deathtrapsubmersible.

Well, according to some posters the connection likes to drop and it eats batteries, but yes, that's still a hell of a lot more reliable than the submersible itself was.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Have they recovered the Logitech controller yet? I insist the salvage operation not be concluded until that thing is found. It belongs in a museum. Possibly the museum of failure.

 

[BikeLock]

Have they recovered the Logitech controller yet? I insist the salvage operation not be concluded until that thing is found. It belongs in a museum. Possibly the museum of failure.

They're not going to be recovering anything from the inside.
That controller is part of the mist of charred meat and carbon from the implosion.
F

 

[teriyakiburns]

This shit show has likely compromised the entire concept of Deep Sea Tourism for the next hundred years.

People said the same thing about the de Haviland Comet. There'll be inquiries and recommendations for tighter enforcement of regulations, to stop a repeat of the hubris involved.