Trade War 2025 - You get tariffs and you get tariffs, tariffs for everyone!

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We literally consider you friendly enough that we share all of our nuclear tech with you, including the weapons. There are reasons for both sides to not rock that particular boat. Avoiding consequences might be part of it, but its a fact our defence industries are heavily integrated. IF tarrifs are applied, they will be short as negotiations take place and a agreement is hammered out like a week later.
I'm being facetious to a certain extent. I won't deny the Special Relationship is a thing that exists, but I think it tends to get overblown by our mob of politicians so we can pretend to be more relevant than we are. I certainly wouldn't attribute any success on our part to Keir Starmer's negotiating skills
 
I'm being facetious to a certain extent. I won't deny the Special Relationship is a thing that exists, but I think it tends to get overblown by our mob of politicians so we can pretend to be more relevant than we are.
Maybe a little. Not by too much though. BAE systems is HEAVILY entrenched into America's MIC. That is pushing aside the whole nuclear agreement. The amount of technology transfer we do between ourselves is fucking enormous. You bongs may have leaders that underfunded your military, but the technology in it is nothing short of advanced.
 
You bongs may have leaders that underfunded your military, but the technology in it is nothing short of advanced.
That's a situation that'll probably continue indefinitely, if not get worse. We've been struggling with army recruitment for ages, partly because it's generally regarded here (rather unfairly IMO, it wasn't the path for me but it does genuinely have some good benefits) as a last resort for fuck ups, along with the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles souring people on the idea as a whole.

There's obviously a million things besides that of course. Fundamentally we just see the army differently than you do, in a cultural sense.
 
I think it will be interesting to see this possibly play out in the courts. Because the tariffs were done by E.O., it's very likely they could be challenged in court. A company could sue the Trump administration arguing the tariffs are arbitrary and capacious in court using the economic damages for standing. There were already several EOs, passed by Trump, that were frozen by judges already. I'd like to see the Supreme Court's theory on tariff authority. There doesn't seem to be precedent for these types of tarriffs using the IEEPA. I think it may fail the Major Question's doctrine test.
There is not much of a legal ground to stand on. Trade with foreign countries falls under the blanket of Foreign policy generally, which is a constitutionally granted power of the President.
 
There is not much of a legal ground to stand on. Trade with foreign countries falls under the blanket of Foreign policy generally, which is a constitutionally granted power of the President.
That and Congress gave up what powers they had a long time ago. There was a post about it a page or two back. But otherwise yes. Foreign policy is the President's department.
 
That and Congress gave up what powers they had a long time ago. There was a post about it a page or two back. But otherwise yes. Foreign policy is the President's department.
As I recall (not being American but being decently familiar with your history) trade related policy is Congress's responsibility in the Constitution, back when there were significant differences between Northern and Southern states in terms of trade policy that needed balancing but, as was previously mentioned, that power was gradually surrendered to the executive branch.
 
As I recall (not being American but being decently familiar with your history) trade related policy is Congress's responsibility in the Constitution, back when there were significant differences between Northern and Southern states in terms of trade policy that needed balancing but, as was previously mentioned, that power was gradually surrendered to the executive branch.
Basically yes. A event in the early 1900s occurred that was nothing short of disastrous due to congress levying a tarrif. Being the cowards they are, they dumped the tarrif power on the president.
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Also crossposting from US politics: Mexico caved.
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Basically yes. A event in the early 1900s occurred that was nothing short of disastrous due to congress levying a tarrif. Being the cowards they are, they dumped the tarrif power on the president.
Pretty sure you mean Smoot-Hawley, for which "disastrous" would be somewhat of an understatement. And I'm not surprised the neighbor caved. The EU I think, will be slightly more interesting.
 
Pretty sure you mean Smoot-Hawley, for which "disastrous" would be somewhat of an understatement.
I believe that lead to the Great Depression if im not mistaken. Again, Congress NEVER wanted responsibility for tarrifs again after. Hard to get reelected. So basically the president has it on a eternal loan unless Congress reverses the laws it did to give it to him.
And I'm not surprised the neighbor caved. The EU I think, will be slightly more interesting.
The Mexicans are simple at the end of the day. They love that American Dollar and filling their bellies. Tarrifs are bad for buisness. There was a 0% chance they didn't cave.

The EU is more stubborn and has a more diverse economy. And doesn't like Orange Man. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it.
 
This whole thing kind of reminds me of how I used to play Victoria II before learning how to economy, turning the tariff slider as high as it would go because it made the green line go up (for a while, at least) and the factories would stop closing.
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The EU is more stubborn and has a more diverse economy. And doesn't like Orange Man. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it.
The EU is also way less important to US trade than Mexico. Mexico is really the one country I'd argue that the US cannot afford to fuck up a trade relationship with which is why I imagine Trump let them slide with only token concessions.

The EU? They're essentially an export union that does not want any American goods and have been progressively trying to find ways to stop purchasing American services. They're not a consumption power. They don't really have anything to offer the US economy that Trump wants to build.
 
The EU is also way less important to US trade than Mexico. Mexico is really the one country I'd argue that the US cannot afford to fuck up a trade relationship with which is why I imagine Trump let them slide with only token concessions.
Agreed. Mind, the negotiations are ongoing, this is just the start. Trump it seems wants the unfucking of the US Mexico relations to be thorough at the very least.
The EU? They're essentially an export union that does not want any American goods and have been progressively trying to find ways to stop purchasing American services. They're not a consumption power. They don't really have anything to offer the US economy that Trump wants to build.
The EU likes selling to America though. It's cars, fancy chip making equipment, a lot of machine tools, advanced shit. They also buy a fuck ton of oil and gas. Like a metric fuck ton. If they don't want this deal to end, they'll choose carefully
 
So if he's tariffing China does that mean no more temu
If there's anything I've learned about Xi Jinping is that he's so completely all-in on excess productive capacity aka product dumping that he will warp the laws of God and man to DOOMP even harder.

So it'll probably be fine although we will probably see even more creative (read: horrifying) financial instruments be spawned from China as a result.
 
The EU I think, will be slightly more interesting.

The EU is the US vassal. They'll cave the moment they are told to do.

If only there were two other superpowers to trade with. Oy vey, (((EU leaders))) sanctioned them. Too bad.
 
As I recall (not being American but being decently familiar with your history) trade related policy is Congress's responsibility in the Constitution, back when there were significant differences between Northern and Southern states in terms of trade policy that needed balancing but, as was previously mentioned, that power was gradually surrendered to the executive branch.
Pretty sure you mean Smoot-Hawley, for which "disastrous" would be somewhat of an understatement. And I'm not surprised the neighbor caved. The EU I think, will be slightly more interesting.
Don't forget tariffs were one of the direct underlying causes of the War of Northern Aggression with the nullification crisis (1833).

The EU likes selling to America though. It's cars, fancy chip making equipment, a lot of machine tools, advanced shit. They also buy a fuck ton of oil and gas. Like a metric fuck ton. If they don't want this deal to end, they'll choose carefully
It's mostly China made though for the machine tools (outside of EUV lasers and cars). Though US agriculture is going to take a beating (winemakers in CA are about to get hammered lmao).


For watchamker's stuff Boley and Bergeon s are made in China. Horia might be 100% Swiss (not part of the EU).
UK has Cowells in Brightlingsea, Essex (founded in 1971, proving that such a company is still viable).
We have US companies that makes those but they focus on CNC now, FW Derbyshire in Blackston, Mass, and Louis Levin & Son In Santa Fe Springs, CA. The price is really high though.The US ones are 25k+ (no tools, Levin) though compared to a vector from China being ~3k and Cowells being ~5k.

Canada and GM are in the find out part of the equation right now though. All those GM engines come from Canada.....
 
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I can tell you how U.S tarrifs are playing out right now in Canada.

Store orders goods. There’s a huge tarrif on them, so they up the price to compensate. Nobody buys it because it’s significantly more expensive, so next quarter they don’t reorder it and it’s no longer sold here. Nobody really cares all that much since there are cheaper alternatives here and the money goes to Canadian business instead. Some stores are hip to this and they’ve skipped over this entire process by simply not ordering the American goods from suppliers, day one of the tarrifs. Other businesses are buying from Canadian manufacturers to maintain their bottom line.

lf you’re curious as to what’s going to happen on tarrifed Canadian goods in your own country, that’s what’s going to happen. It’s basically going to kill trade for both of us and harm both of us.
Secure your border and the pain will end, Leafnigger.
 
It's mostly China made though for the machine tools (outside of EUV lasers). Boley and Bergeon watchmaker's lathes are made in China. Horia might be 100% Swiss (not part of the EU).
UK has Cowells in Brightlingsea, Essex (founded in 1971, proving that such a company is still viable).
We have US companies that makes those but they focus on CNC now, FW Derbyshire in Blackston, Mass, and Louis Levin & Son In Santa Fe Springs, CA. The price is really high though.

The US ones are 25k+ (no tools, Levin) though compared to a vector from China being ~3k and Cowells being ~5k.
Oh my sweet child. I'm talking the big bitches. The biggest of bitches. You want a big ass plastic injection molding machine? You want a factory worth? Krauss Maffei will hook you up with one of the best on the planet.
 
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