Trade War 2025 - You get tariffs and you get tariffs, tariffs for everyone!

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good to see Trump and his administration realised this was completely retarded and backed off, it would've benefited nobody and they were probably never serious about it
 
Awssum Possum said:
good to see Trump and his administration realised this was completely retarded and backed off, it would've benefited nobody and they were probably never serious about it
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Bro it's on pause for thirty days if and until Mexico and Canada meet the demands, which was always the goal
 
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nut butter said:
this the same border plan that was announced instantly after the tariff talk came up?
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It was in response to Roxham Road in 2023. Pierre said “It’s not Joe Biden fault, it’s not our fault, this is directly Justin Trudeau’s fault. It’s our border, we are responsible for maintaining it and he’s literally encouraging people to just come through.”

The border has been a concern for Conservative leadership for a while particularly concerning illegal immigration but they’ve also
shown great concern about the growing amount of fentanyl flooding in from the United States and China. Trump is just not right about fentanyl killing tens of millions, it’s killed like 100k last year and you get less than 1% of the fentanyl from Canada. In a yearly period you’ll get roughly 20kg seized going through our border and 10,000kg seized going through Mexico.

Frankly, it’s a good idea to secure both our borders but moreso the Americans than anyone else. You guys have fucking awful border policies and funding, it’s not a surprise why when Biden was running for years. It is however significantly cheaper to get other countries to pay for border security instead of doing it yourself, hence this entire fiasco. It has fuck all to do with anything other than money….which we were going to spend anyway on the issue, and it’ll take a long while to implement in which case we can drop it anyway when Trump is gone and benefit regardless.

I don’t know what to say, Im down with 99% of what Trump is doing kiwibros but it looks like 4D chess works both ways.
 
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geckogoy said:
>trump humiliates allies/vassals to assert dominance and authority
@'Ole Dente: "is this a win canabros??"
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why42 said:
This thread should just be rename the Canadian seething thread.
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I mean not really. All I did was give some context related to the situation that some people weren’t aware of. I’m not really mad about the situation, I’m more optimistic about it than anything.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Bro it's on pause for thirty days if and until Mexico and Canada meet the demands, which was always the goal
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He talked more about his goals while he was signing executive orders, Forbes has the best coverage so I'll link that.
I think it's pretty clear that while his 51st state thing is hyperbole, Trump does seriously want to further integrate Canada with America by having Canadian protectionism laws repealed and these Tarrifs were just to force Canada to the bargaining table. That would then work alongside the new Sovereign Wealth Fund to have America influence Canadian politics even more. Of course there's been a wave(?) of anti-american recently, like there is whenever Americas stick their nose into Canada so of course the Canadians want to become more economically independent.
But that's a lose-lose scenario, either protectionism laws targeted against the US are repealed and Canada becomes even more of a collection of future US states or Canada fights back as hard as it can and crashes it's economy by not playing ball. Ideally American wouldn't care enough to bother Canada at all, but we live a world where Justin Trudeau exists and has antagonized an American president while allowing drugs to flow into the country.
I've seen some people say Canada will find other partners, but I'ms seriously curious as to who they could go to. The UK is a staunch US ally, the EU already has tarrifs against the US while being a big ally so buddying up to them won't do anything. China and Russia are terrible options as Canada allying with them is a security threat that might force the US hand. Although I guess there India?
 
I hate to doom and I know the Chinese tariffs will remain but with the recent Mexican tariff hold what's stopping Yan Qing from opening a car manufacturing factory in Mexico and selling to corpos from there?
 
YellowIsACoolColor said:
I hate to doom and I know the Chinese tariffs will remain but with the recent Mexican tariff hold what's stopping Yan Qing from opening a car manufacturing factory in Mexico and selling to corpos from there?
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It's too sporadic to plan around atm; how quickly can you build a car factory and what guarantee is there that tariffs will still be in place by the time you're done building it?
 
Lizard Machine Bugs said:
Canadian protectionism laws repealed and these Tarrifs were just to force Canada to the bargaining table
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I'm not sure how it is in the US, but Canadian provinces have tarrifs between provinces, this also goes that even though the Conservative party will 99% win the next election, the Conservative voters are not in favor of the American style Republican party. The Canadian Right is not the same as the American Right, so trying to "integrate" Canada in one way or another is unlikely to give the desired effects.
Lizard Machine Bugs said:
China and Russia are terrible options as Canada allying with them is a security threat that might force the US hand.
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Forcing through harder economic means surely, but I'm not sure the US can violate NATO bylaws. But Trudeau or Poilievre trying to join up with them will never happen, your
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Although I guess there India?
is the most likely option for a general economic partner, though there is the EU.
 
YellowIsACoolColor said:
I'm pretty sure most tariffs have lasted since Trump's first term so it's safe to say they'll still be in place.
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Biden didn't really touch any of the Trump tariffs and in fact doubled down on some of them. The Democrats are a little more circumspect in how they go about it but they're also leaning protectionist nowadays. US protectionism isn't a Trump-anomaly, it's the new normal mood of the country and has been since Obama failed to sell America on the TPP back in 2015/2016.
 
Trade wars hurt both sides and it's the plebs that suffer, anyone cheering this on is just cheering their own team of bourgeois assfuckers and presenting cheeks
 
-Orange cheeto owns le Trudeau honhon.

-How will this stop fent?

-What fent?

How will this stop the south american narco subs? Are they run on maple syrup?
 
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