‘Traditional TV is dying’: can networks pivot and survive?

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Warner Bros Discovery’s announcement this week of a $9bn (£7bn) writedown in the value of its TV networks is a stark acknowledgment of the damage the streaming wars are inflicting on traditional broadcasting models.

The astonishing figure, which pushed the US entertainment group to a quarterly net loss of $10bn (£7.9bn) and sent shares sliding 12% in early trading on Thursday, lays bare how channels such as CNN, TLC and the Food Network can no longer rely on a captive cable subscriber base.

The rapid consumer shift away from high-priced TV packages, coupled with the inexorable decline in advertising, has forced traditional TV companies to invest billions in low-cost streaming services to catch up with first movers such as Netflix.

The question is now whether companies such as WBD – home to TV and film content including Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga, Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, The Big Bang Theory, Succession, Friends and all Olympics events – can build the scale and make significant profits from their streaming operations before the death of linear television delivered by cable, satellite or aerial.

“Traditional TV is dying, or at least in zombie mode,” says Alex Degroote, a media analyst. “It is being replaced by a combination of services such as short-form video players like YouTube and TikTok, and the top streamers such as Netflix. WBD’s $9bn impairment is a real hammer blow and will reverberate across all traditional media assets.”

The market value of WBD, home to assets including the Warner Bros film studio, HBO and CNN, has plunged almost 70% in the two years since the group was formed in a $40bn (£31.5bn) merger between WarnerMedia and Discovery intended to help both businesses survive the transition to a streaming future.

“Unfortunately, the stock performance is a clear indication that investors see little optimism that the tides may soon start to turn,” says Robert Fishman, senior analyst at MoffettNathanson.

Earlier this week, Disney disclosed that its streaming operations – which include the global Disney+ service, Hulu and ESPN+ in the US and Hotstar in India – achieved profitability for the first time in the quarter to the end of June.

However, the milestone of $447m (£352m) in operating profit, which was above management projections, has come at a huge cost, with its streaming services running up $11bn (£9.2bn) in losses since Disney+ was launched in 2019.

Disney has more than 200 million global streaming subscribers, and WBD exceeds 100 million globally, with Discovery+ now the fastest-growing service in the UK thanks to winning the rights to show every Olympic discipline. But the battle is not just to continue to drive scale.

Boosting revenue and profits per subscriber has become critical through strategies including rapid rounds of price increases – Disney has just announced a set of price rises for later this year – as well as driving slightly cheaper ad-funded tiers to pull in cost-conscious consumers.

While traditional TV companies struggle with managing the decline in their legacy businesses, with drastic rounds of cost-cutting after a decade of profligate spending on content in the first decade of the streaming wars, Netflix points to a viable future.

The streaming giant, which once struggled with mounting losses running into tens of billions of dollars, has seen its market value surge by more than 50% over the past year after turning the profitability corner while continuing to see significant growth in subscribers.

WBD’s chief executive, David Zaslav, who has considered breaking up the company but concluded that is not currently the best option, said the market was being hit by a “generational disruption” that requires traditional TV companies to take “bold, necessary steps”.

Richard Broughton, director at Ampere Analysis, said: “Legacy TV businesses are in decline but the shift is not so rapid that it can’t be managed. There are still a lot of broadcast TV viewers, they have the time to pivot to profitability in the streaming world.”

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Sure. People would rather watch programming from 30-70 years ago than what's being produced today. Start actually sharing the staggering totality of the content you have the rights to.
Run AI tools to size up all standard-definition shows and movies to 4:3 in whatever-definition. Come up with an easy solution to the music rights clearance issue so you pay flat fees for that shortsightedness.
 
The strike didn't help but also there really is nothing original on tv. Like there's nothing you can genuinely say "oh it was one of the first programs to show x/y/z like NYPD blue, the real world, er, I love lucy, etc etc"

Nobody is gonna say "game of Thrones/succession/Mandalorian/stranger things/white lotus/fargo/any Ryan Murphy show was the first programs to ever do this or that." It just isn't going to happen.

The most notable thing Stranger Things did was introduce Kate Bush to people who otherwise would not have heard of her before.

Speaking of medical ads I love how ads in the 2000s would be like
1. Girls at restaurant. One girl shows up late.
"Oh Julie you look better than ever!"
"Thanks"
"But aren't you suffering from period stuff?"
"Nah I took Midol!"
"Really?"
(Mind you these girls are eating in a restaurant.)
Julie proceeds to talk about the effects, directions, etc of Midol as if its actual genuine conversation for some reason.

That last point? Thats the shit they don't do anymore. Now it's just people dancing outside and doing regular shit while voiceover happens.
 
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That last point? Thats the shit they don't do anymore. Now it's just people dancing outside and doing regular shit while voiceover happens.
LOL, I remember the ads about 'Nexium the purple pill' and that's literally all they'd say. Towards the last days of my TV ad watching there were nonstop pills made of jellyfish to turn you into some kind of Einstein. Do they still do that?

Turns out Nexium was pretty bad for cancer causing and most of the rest of it was no different than the old 'Head On' ads.

 
They tried to get you to buy things by selling you on the awesomeness of the product instead of the blackness or queerness of the people in the commercial.
This right here. If the ad in question is just the awesomeness of the product, that's one thing. But the issue is a double whammy. The ad doesn't respect your time and plenty inserts faggotry and crying niggers to make you actively want to avoid the product.

If they remove these issues, businesses would be surprised at the larger audience reception they'll be getting now. Moreso if they actually made the product appealing and not an obligation.


There was an art to making ads back then. Now its just suffering condensed.

I would watch the fuck out of a channel that's nothing but classic anime.
There is. In Flipland. Though the catch is, its classic and new anime as well as being part of cable service.
 
In the fall, Fox has, a mystery drama about some murders in a small town, a Baywatch knockoff, another procedural cop show, another procedural cop-like show, reality TV shows, then a couple cartoons on Sunday.

The strike didn't help but also there really is nothing original on tv. Like there's nothing you can genuinely say "oh it was one of the first programs to show x/y/z like NYPD blue, the real world, er, I love lucy, etc etc"

Nobody is gonna say "game of Thrones/succession/Mandalorian/stranger things/white lotus/fargo/any Ryan Murphy show was the first programs to ever do this or that." It just isn't going to happen.
Added to these things, and streaming is as if not more guilty, they cancel shows at the drop of a hat, even ones that seem to be doing well.

There was a sci-fi western called Open Range with Josh Brolin. It had 1 season and the 2nd was coming out. I hadn't heard of it and thought "wow, this sounds good." Started watching, got a few eps in...and they announced Season 3 was canceled and S2 ended on a cliffhanger. So I stopped watching. Fuck that.

By all accounts it was doing well...but viewership doesn't matter to streamers, only new subs. Don't bring in new subs and you're useless.
 
By all accounts it was doing well...but viewership doesn't matter to streamers, only new subs. Don't bring in new subs and you're useless.
That got me thinking, a 'good run' on old TV was something like 5-8 seasons, like a TNG or something. Is it just me or do almost all streaming series get canceled after 1 or 2? I know there are exceptions but I don't remember there being anywhere near this much shovelware that just drops off the map then. I mean even Rings of Power is having a tough time. For every House of Cards style show there seems like dozens of 1-2 ones.

I might be biased cause I don't care much about new TV series and only really notice how Disney+ can't seem to get anything to last more than 1 or 2 seasons at best.
 
LOL, I remember the ads about 'Nexium the purple pill' and that's literally all they'd say. Towards the last days of my TV ad watching there were nonstop pills made of jellyfish to turn you into some kind of Einstein. Do they still do that?

Turns out Nexium was pretty bad for cancer causing and most of the rest of it was no different than the old 'Head On' ads.

I think they might have been trying to copy the success of marketing Viagra as "the little blue pill."
Edit: I searched Nexium and first thing that comes up is literally purplepill.com, so they're still running with that. Apparently it's for acid reflux/GERD, I seem to recall other drugs for that getting pulled off the market for being unsafe after people used them for decades. Also:
Taking esomeprazole long-term may cause you to develop stomach growths called fundic gland polyps. Talk with your doctor about this risk.
Yup, there's your cancer.
 
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I don’t know any people below 35 who watches TV.

Even streaming is becoming less popular, I’ve noticed.

Part of it is that streaming services suck. You used to have everything on Netflix or Prime. How they nickel and dime you and spread content out over half a dozen different services. Users are fed up, but not going back to regular TV, which they have been weaned off from.

Another part is that content sucks these days. It’s all the same girlboss crap and unattractive women and men full
of sarcastic quips and zero personality.

Streaming shows in particular suck. Ten episodes per season, with a “cliffhanger” at the end of each episode to keep viewers watching. And some lame mystery box that the whole season revolves around.

If you want decent TV, watch shows that were made a decade ago or older. Especially if you’re into sci-fi or action-adventure.
 
Plus the shows that people actually watch end up getting cancelled (see: bryan fuller's entire filmography, don't trust the b in apt 23, Julie & the phantoms, warrior nun, 1887 or what the fuck it was called, the Borgias, selfie, etc etc)
 
Plus the shows that people actually watch end up getting cancelled (see: bryan fuller's entire filmography, don't trust the b in apt 23, Julie & the phantoms, warrior nun, 1887 or what the fuck it was called, the Borgias, selfie, etc etc)
It really doesn't help when too many shows get cancelled after one or two seasons. That's partly why people pirate. I would like to watch something I know is complete rather than worry about whether something is going to get cancelled or not.

The strike didn't help but also there really is nothing original on tv. Like there's nothing you can genuinely say "oh it was one of the first programs to show x/y/z like NYPD blue, the real world, er, I love lucy, etc etc"

Nobody is gonna say "game of Thrones/succession/Mandalorian/stranger things/white lotus/fargo/any Ryan Murphy show was the first programs to ever do this or that." It just isn't going to happen.
At least with Game of Thrones, the idea was that a high-fantasy concept story with lots of sex, nudity and violence was appealing since we've never seen something like it before on TV. Nowadays, though, not only are people trying to copy it, but nothing else new is coming out.
 
I still pay for cable because I am fucking tired of every streaming service going to sleep after asking if I'm still there every hour. If I want to fall asleep to Ancient Aliens I can, and it'll still be on when I wake up, which I consider an important feature.

I do kind of like the Roku fishtank ambience, but I want shit to play 24/7 sometimes.
 
Apathy what keeping tv alive & age old contract in billions.

The PBS question pre 2000 was in memory part by Mr.Roggers good will & legacy
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Current tv is lacking quality & impact of pre2000 tv.
Meh... even pre-2000 I knew if there was something that looked good on PBS, that meant it was telethon time, and I'd get to see whatever it was in 10 minute sections, interspersed with 15 minutes of begging between.
 
There was a sci-fi western called Open Range with Josh Brolin. It had 1 season and the 2nd was coming out. I hadn't heard of it and thought "wow, this sounds good." Started watching, got a few eps in...and they announced Season 3 was canceled and S2 ended on a cliffhanger. So I stopped watching. Fuck that.
You're thinking of Outer Range

And FUCK THEY CANCELLED IT?! Cocksuckers
 
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