‘Traditional TV is dying’: can networks pivot and survive?

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Warner Bros Discovery’s announcement this week of a $9bn (£7bn) writedown in the value of its TV networks is a stark acknowledgment of the damage the streaming wars are inflicting on traditional broadcasting models.

The astonishing figure, which pushed the US entertainment group to a quarterly net loss of $10bn (£7.9bn) and sent shares sliding 12% in early trading on Thursday, lays bare how channels such as CNN, TLC and the Food Network can no longer rely on a captive cable subscriber base.

The rapid consumer shift away from high-priced TV packages, coupled with the inexorable decline in advertising, has forced traditional TV companies to invest billions in low-cost streaming services to catch up with first movers such as Netflix.

The question is now whether companies such as WBD – home to TV and film content including Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga, Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, The Big Bang Theory, Succession, Friends and all Olympics events – can build the scale and make significant profits from their streaming operations before the death of linear television delivered by cable, satellite or aerial.

“Traditional TV is dying, or at least in zombie mode,” says Alex Degroote, a media analyst. “It is being replaced by a combination of services such as short-form video players like YouTube and TikTok, and the top streamers such as Netflix. WBD’s $9bn impairment is a real hammer blow and will reverberate across all traditional media assets.”

The market value of WBD, home to assets including the Warner Bros film studio, HBO and CNN, has plunged almost 70% in the two years since the group was formed in a $40bn (£31.5bn) merger between WarnerMedia and Discovery intended to help both businesses survive the transition to a streaming future.

“Unfortunately, the stock performance is a clear indication that investors see little optimism that the tides may soon start to turn,” says Robert Fishman, senior analyst at MoffettNathanson.

Earlier this week, Disney disclosed that its streaming operations – which include the global Disney+ service, Hulu and ESPN+ in the US and Hotstar in India – achieved profitability for the first time in the quarter to the end of June.

However, the milestone of $447m (£352m) in operating profit, which was above management projections, has come at a huge cost, with its streaming services running up $11bn (£9.2bn) in losses since Disney+ was launched in 2019.

Disney has more than 200 million global streaming subscribers, and WBD exceeds 100 million globally, with Discovery+ now the fastest-growing service in the UK thanks to winning the rights to show every Olympic discipline. But the battle is not just to continue to drive scale.

Boosting revenue and profits per subscriber has become critical through strategies including rapid rounds of price increases – Disney has just announced a set of price rises for later this year – as well as driving slightly cheaper ad-funded tiers to pull in cost-conscious consumers.

While traditional TV companies struggle with managing the decline in their legacy businesses, with drastic rounds of cost-cutting after a decade of profligate spending on content in the first decade of the streaming wars, Netflix points to a viable future.

The streaming giant, which once struggled with mounting losses running into tens of billions of dollars, has seen its market value surge by more than 50% over the past year after turning the profitability corner while continuing to see significant growth in subscribers.

WBD’s chief executive, David Zaslav, who has considered breaking up the company but concluded that is not currently the best option, said the market was being hit by a “generational disruption” that requires traditional TV companies to take “bold, necessary steps”.

Richard Broughton, director at Ampere Analysis, said: “Legacy TV businesses are in decline but the shift is not so rapid that it can’t be managed. There are still a lot of broadcast TV viewers, they have the time to pivot to profitability in the streaming world.”

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As bad as tv got, i think the current wave of online entertainment and it's culture is way worse.

Seriously, take the sleaziness, the nepotism, the hipocrisy, the near inhuman avarice and greed of the entertainment industry, double it, and you get the top brass of today's "content creators". Looking back on it, i really shouldnt have been surprised about all these youtubers getting exposed as sex pests/pedophiles/horrible people lately.
 
No, they can't.

Now, the real question is.... will we just let them die quietly and solemnly, as we should? A victim of it's own hubris and stubbornness and the march of technology? Just like the recording industry or games industry vis-a-vis physical medium?

Or will we allow the government to make an ill-advised attempt to bail them out a couple times before they die anyway? (PBS sucks, 4500 channels worth of PBS will suck just that much more)
 
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Apathy what keeping tv alive & age old contract in billions.
No, they can't.



Now, the real question is.... will we just let them die quietly and solemnly, as we should?



Or will we allow the government to make an ill-advised attempt to bail them out a couple times before they die anyway? (PBS sucks, 4500 channels worth of PBS will suck just that much more)
The PBS question pre 2000 was in memory part by Mr.Roggers good will & legacy
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Current tv is lacking quality & impact of pre2000 tv.
 
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The golden age of television was 5-10 years ago when HBO, Netflix, Prime, AMC, FX, etc were putting out quality shows.

When was the last time HBO had a must see show? You can fuck off with that woke GoT shit or some vidgame show starring Pedo Pascal.

Netflix has turned to crap. Or least it was when I gave up my sub last year. Prime is spending too much money on LOTR crap or wannabe LOTR crap. Is AMC still running?
 
The golden age of television was 5-10 years ago when HBO, Netflix, Prime, AMC, FX, etc were putting out quality shows.
Western media(ALL media from movies tv shows vidya games music etc.) plateau'd 20 years ago with the release of Return of the King. Ever since then woke/globohomo mindset has crept in and in 2024 its thoroughly metastasized in every conceivable outlet.
 
Ahem. Ads, Ads and pozzed everything. Ads back then at the very least were barely noticeable. But with the rate it was going, Ads are as long as the show or even longer.

And as for the latter, no-one wants a weirdo telling parents that they should give up their children to be sold to rich fags. And many are waking up to the reality that TV is a mindrape machine as well.

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re: OP while i am happy that tv is dying streaming services are filling that gap with the exact same shit. thank god for storage getting cheaper so i can run a media server for all my dvds
 
is that image from the supervillian flash game?
re: OP while i am happy that tv is dying streaming services are filling that gap with the exact same shit. thank god for storage getting cheaper so i can run a media server for all my dvds
Mastermind World Conqueror from Newgrounds. Wonderful game. Shame it runs like shit in current year hardware.
 
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We still have a big TV, and I almost exclusively use it for kids' shows that I can pre-screen and make sure are okay for my kid to watch. I'd rather he watch old SpongeBob or Phineas & Ferb than end up watching weird nonsense on YouTube.

What made traditional linear TV good was that there was at least something decent on most of the time worth watching, and it made discoverability easy because it was easy to flip between channels/look at the guide and see what was on and preview it quickly. Nowadays, linear TV is 90% garbage with reality TV trash, poor-quality woke nonsense, or just cut-down reruns of old movies or shows. And as for streaming services, there's too many with all the content split up, it's still mostly terrible, and discoverability is awful. They need to put good content on TV again if they want it to keep being a thing.
 
Aren't the companies and networks actively nerfing and killing their own services to try and push people into streaming for like the last 10 years now? "traditional tv" has been "about to die" for well over a fucking decade now and companies just want people to own nothing and not be able to watch shit unedited. it's gay and shitty behavior to put it in the most sleep deprived yet to the point way I can right now.

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We still have a big TV, and I almost exclusively use it for kids' shows that I can pre-screen and make sure are okay for my kid to watch. I'd rather he watch old SpongeBob or Phineas & Ferb than end up watching weird nonsense on YouTube.

What made traditional linear TV good was that there was at least something decent on most of the time worth watching, and it made discoverability easy because it was easy to flip between channels/look at the guide and see what was on and preview it quickly. Nowadays, linear TV is 90% garbage with reality TV trash, poor-quality woke nonsense, or just cut-down reruns of old movies or shows. And as for streaming services, there's too many with all the content split up, it's still mostly terrible, and discoverability is awful. They need to put good content on TV again if they want it to keep being a thing.
God that reminds me before everything was pushing for streaming TV services had a whole "on demand" menu section that operated literally how netflix operates nowadays. Their "on demand" stuff nowadays is shit that was on like a few hours to a day or 2 before now and nothing else. I remember back during the entirety of the 2000s watching SO MUCH SHIT on the on demand section of various cable boxes shit was great and comcast specifically had some extremely bizarre low budget niche shit for a bit in a section that literally was labelled "something weird". On demand services cycled out their libraries with various shows or episodes constantly and due to that you sometimes couldn't watch every episode of a show as a result. Every streaming service basically does the same thing in a different way with them shuffling all their exclusives they own around or just randomly deleting them for no reason. They're becoming basically mobile TV with the addition of ads even on paid versions and on demand back in the day originally had no ads as the main draw (though they did ad adds as it went on and it got worse as a result)
 
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The death of traditional broadcast/cable TV is separate from, and less important than the shift in content.

When traditional tv started failing because of streaming, the streaming took off. The first few services started paying millions for more and more original content. Suddenly instead of a few high quality shows like Sopranos and Mad Men, you had dozens of expensive scripted shows--Peak TV. The streamers were printing money.

But as every studio and network made their own service, the market fragmented from Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, and a couple others to dozens, all charging $10-$20 a month, having exclusive shows to try and get subscribers and all losing money because to subscribe to every service that had your favorite genre of drama, sci-fi, action, etc show cost more than cable.

They always played a shell game of taking titles out and vaulting them to keep the content fresh, but then they started leasing them back to competitors. Which is why instead of having Paramount be The Place you could watch every Star Trek movie and show all the time on demand, they started pulling the shows and movies and leasing them again.

Sometimes it's cheaper to just to shelve a completed show or movie as a tax write off. Because there is little to no advertising, having a large catalog of useless data eater shows for existing subscribers is a losing money proposition. Only new subscribers matter.

Besides fragmentation of viewership to short form content, youtube, amateur creators, the death of content is coming because frankly, we have enough. There is enough content produced of scripted TV in the last 25 years that not even the most relentless consooomer could watch it in a lifetime. Studios and networks will realize they can just lease content to each other and pick up new subs, over and over in a cycle. No need to spend money on sets, writers, actors, sfx.

AI will be the death knell. Once you can push a button and generate scripts for Star Wars Show #106 and use realistic CGI to slot in "actors," they need never create "real" scripted tv again. People just watch that and the endless amount of Peak TV created from 2000-2025.
 
All the boomers I know watch TV. They grew up with it and can't break the habit. But once that generation is gone TV is screwed. I don't know any younger people that watch TV.
Boomer here. I have a 96TB RAID6 for media.
I never watch TV and never stream. Not even on my phone. OpenVPN to connect back to my NAS and Kodi is all I need.
 
The last decent TV series was 2003-9 Battlestar Galactica. It was brutal and didn't pull punches. By the end SciFi channel had fagged completely out into Syfy and within 5 years there was absolutely nothing on besides reruns that were any good. Youtube isn't that much better for series either. Plus Youtube censors words that were fine for OTA TV in the 70's, shows could use 'murder' and 'rape' and 'guns' without having to say unalive, or bad things, or pew pews.
 
"Traditional TV", whatever that means now, is steaming dogshit and is not worth saving. We wuz kangz. Deepthroat the girlcock. White men are Hitler adjacent. Diversity is our strength. All dogshit. Set it on fire and walk away.
Yeah, it's far from The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet, The Jeffersons, Gunsmoke, the A-Team, etc...and back when SNL was more worthy to watch.
 
I don't watch TV because Youtube offers quality programming made by passionate creators for free.
YouTube and other online content has basically replaced TV for me. It’s a lot more convenient and more engaging to consoom online content partly because I have a job where I can put on my earbuds and listen to something while I work, and I semi-frequently have to drive a lot for that job. I still listen to music but sometimes (GOOD) podcasts and stream VODs are a lot better to kill windshield time rather than listening to a 90’s alternative rock playlist again.

Just with the backlog of episodes of MATI and Kino Casino that I’ve still never listened to, I don’t have a lack of things to watch or listen to especially when I’m at home.
 
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