Turning Red thread

Pixar stopped making movies for kids and started making movies about kids.

It’s creepy.

There’s a reason kids like fairytales, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, and fables. It frees them from the limitations of their difficult world. Childhood is fucking hard, contrary to what adults think. These types of movies are always for adults and are about nostalgia. Kids in high school watch Star Wars, not American Graffiti.
 
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I hate this fuckin movie. i havent seen it but I saw a post about a weird plot point about the 13 year old main character selling pictures of herself to raise money. literally thought it was fake until i looked up the plot and thats actually what she does? I assume Pixar has CQ for scripts how did this get past it. Why did nobody look at this and say "Hey if we need her to raise money with her panda powers why didnt we just have her like, save cats from trees or something (red pands are known for climbing) in a montage. Also the overall plot summary sounded stupid and NOT appropriate for kids. Like theres BEEN Pixar movies where you have "rebellious daughter, overbearing mother" (e.g. Brave) where they end the movie with an improved relationship and both characters growing as characers but apparently turning red just.. didnt do that? It just shat on the mother from the sound of it? But god forbid you say anything about how the movie sounds awful online bc you always get dogpiled by braindead pixar fans who are like "WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST TEACHING CHILDREN ABOUT PERIODS?" bitch i dont care that the movie mentiosn periods. When that was all I knew about the movie I actually thought it sounded neat, theres no reason to hide that particular subject from kids. This movie reeks of milleanneals who cannot accept that they are over 30 and the coming of age genre no longer belongs to them. Millennials who make movies ostensibly aimed towards kids but actually just about them deserve to be dragged out into the street and shot in League of Legends. Its so stupid. I hate it so much. Also the movie style is ugly as shit and the last movie that Disney/Pixar made that actually looekd good was Incredibles 2. and that was only because they had to keep the original style from the first movie. goddamn horny panda movie and its dogpiling fans. I will never watch this movie and I hate everyone who defends it. I am so mad. somebody tell me to calm down
 
So maybe, just a shot in the dark, that is why these animes references can be seen as obnoxious, when rather just being a cool homage in a well placed way, it can be just off putting when exercised in a forced, self indulgent way in the manner of "look at what I did watch as a kid, neat huh?"
That could explain why I hate references for the sake of references. A worst offender for me was Castlevania where the lesbian vampire ripped off Berserk and it's as if the director was tellingthe audience "You like Big Sword Guy? I like Big Sword Guy too! Please poggers." and it so happens the vampire lesbians are my least favorite characters because they added nothing to the show. Some of my favorite media makes use of references but that's not why I liked them.
 
That could explain why I hate references for the sake of references. A worst offender for me was Castlevania where the lesbian vampire ripped off Berserk and it's as if the director was tellingthe audience "You like Big Sword Guy? I like Big Sword Guy too! Please poggers." and it so happens the vampire lesbians are my least favorite characters because they added nothing to the show. Some of my favorite media makes use of references but that's not why I liked them.

Nothing says woke lesbians like quite possibly the most based anime in existence.
 
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Watched it a couple days ago. It was okay. The human designs are ugly, the friends and Mei herself can be annoying, and it's pretty much just a girl version of Teen Wolf. There are some funny scenes here and there and I did like the relationship between Mei and her parents. They do a pretty good job of giving the film a 2002 feel. It's not in my top 10 Pixar films but they've made worse.
 
It’s okay. If I was forced to have it in the background to distract a kid, I would find it less annoying to than the other stuff Pixar and Dreamworks has put out recently.
 
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Pixar stopped making movies for kids and starting making movies about kids.

I would say these movies aren't so much "about kids" but they are about grown ups imagining themselves as kids again, as it was the case with Lucca and Turning Red, both movies drawing heavily from the directors' childhoods. The diference being that they are tapping in personal experience to describe a phase of our lives in a broader way, which is fine, but this sort of storytelling is more appealing for adults, more specifically adults at the same age range of the creators, than kids themselves.

To put in a blunt way, manchildren filmakers making movies for manchildren, hence the heavy sense of nostalgia and emphasis on the sentiment of "what was like to be a child".

But there is abig problem with that, the ones that can "understand" what was like to "be a child" are people who are no longer children. Kids don't give a fuck about "what is like to be a kid" nor they particularly care about kid characters.

The first "kid protagonist" Pixar had was on their 5th flick, finding Nemo, and even that is debatable, because Nemo ain't that much in it, the movies is more about his father.

And even when a kid movie has a kid protagonist, usually it was about the kid going on a adventure and growing up, not a recollection of reminiscences undercut by a longing for those days meaning.

Not the biggest Ghibli head out there, but one of my absolute favorite movies is Castle in the Sky:

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And the heroes are kids, but the movie doesn't waste a single frame on anything else but just the adventure, Boy meets girl, they go on a adventure, they find a ancient floating city, bad guy wants to take over the world, the kids save the day and fly into the sunset.

If Miyazaki was drawing from his childhood when making this movie, then he kept those cards close to the chest, because like I said, Castle in the Sky is all about that adventure and you don't need a single note of reference to get everything the movie shows.

Now if you take Turning Red, yes, I think Kids will have a good time with it, the big red panda is fun to watch. At the same time, I can't see a kid or even a early teen getting the whole "memeber boy bands, member tamagotchi, member 90's anime, member what was like to be a child in the 2000's", and you can't separate that from the story because, well, that is the identity of the movie.

That's is why people said that Turning Red felt like a movie made for the director and her friends, because it zero in on her experiences that it dissasociates from the larger message of the movie about "being yourself", which on itself is so broad that you can attach to anything. It becomes less about "being yourself" and more "Being Domee Shi (the director)".

So a simple message that doesn't quite gel with a very specificy life experience based story, then you get a movie that feels like, for be better or worse, a vanity project.

Turning Red can be a fun insight of "what was like to be a kid on the 2000's", but ironicaly it has no interest in reaching out for kids right now.

What can I say, we are still living ãt the era of manchildren cinema.
 
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When do we get a kids film about erections and wet dreams?
Disney is in talks with Alan Moore for making an adaption for Lost Girls.
To put in a blunt way, manchildren filmakers making movies for manchildren
Ironically aping the Japs for making isekai genre of "I wish that was my life". Though isekai is at least shameless enough to say it, while western media tries to rewrite the past for Current Year and fetishize aspects of children's life.
 
Got morbidly curious and watched it a couple days ago. The only nice thing I can say about it is the backgrounds look nice. They don't match how the humans look at all and I think the beanmouth style somehow looks even worse in motion.

It felt like nothing that interesting happened and I could feel itself mostly delete itself from my brain after the credits rolled. Like others have said, I also found her selling the panda in the school bathroom to be creepy. I don't feel kids watching it would get that same impression, but kids shouldn't watch it on the basis that it sucks and they can watch something better instead.
 
I thought it was fine, it had its ups and downs. It was cute. I don't hate the calarts style either; when it's done well (and not cheaply or in a derivative fashion) it can be very expressive. The colours were great too - the switch from the green (her mum's colour) as she's doing her homework to the red when she's drawing anime boys was a nice choice. It's not my favourite film ever but I appreciate that it's very clearly pitched to women and girls.
I find that the main complaint, being the children aren't attractive enough, to be a very sus complaint.

And also I find it weird that adult men are salty that this isn't targeted at their demographic.
 
I find that the main complaint, being the children aren't attractive enough, to be a very sus complaint.
If people meant the character designs aren't attractive to the eye, it's something I totally agree with, but their wording suggests otherwise and that is very concerning. Kids are supposed to look like actual kids, but not all kids are cute ("cute" as in "aren't disfigured/weird-looking").

And also I find it weird that adult men are salty that this isn't targeted at their demographic.
We've already seen what happens when a man dares to suggest the movie's not in his primary demographic so he can't fully judge it based on that. The mental gymnastics by Twitter are so knotted over this that I don't know what the general consensus even is.
 
For some reason meme edits about this film kept appearing in my Youtube recommendations even though I had never heard of this awful movie or clicked on anything related to it.
The nu-disney/pixar meme edits seem to be very forced on YT and I'm beginning to wonder if Disney actually just straight up pays to have this happen. It's not like Youtube isn't willing to pull strings for old media conglomerates.
 
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