Undertale

[Outer Space Traveller]

Why don't you think Toby treats his IP seriously?

See - from the dialogue and perhaps the beginning of the game it speaks of the time Chara spent time alongside the Dreemurrs. Right? And things happened, and if "you don't play the game right", you get an ending which doesn't make sense which is an "avatar of the player talking to itself".

And through many instances, it seems like the "Meta-game" aspect goes way to overboard, IMO. Maybe I misunderstood what or who Chara is meant to be - meaning, a separate entity from the player, a "previous playthrough that we didn't see", or whatever, and eh - it doesn't feel serious. An ending should have the answer to that. Even the pacifist one, perhaps Chara manifesting to you and thanking for your hard work to not killing and to understanding how to put differences aside just as he did.

What caused him to grow strong enough to kill the world? What world? The entire world, including other humans? How, what, why, who, where? It feels too deliberate and doesn't feel like a complete treatment to his IP. Just the underground and monsters. Maybe Deltarune and Kris could fill the blanks, yet I remember seeing the knife + "red eye" (ow the edge) from Chapter 1 and wondering "Here we go again with this bullshit of unresolved things, but hopefully in following days it WILL BE". I don't know man, it felt like Undertale even some things are missing, even if it is in a "show, don't tell".

 

[Punished Magician]

He's been sperging out more and more on Bluesky for the past few month

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com

>scroll back through his past few months of posts
>deltarune updates, mspaint doodle shitposts, posts promoting other indie games, and collabs he's worked on
>literally nothing else
????? meds

Ask Frisk and Co. It's bad by the way, Frisk has comedically abusive parents (burns his pokemon card collection which makes him run up the mountain) and he has a sister who freaks out because people don't use they/them pronouns when talking about Frisk

How can you bring that shitshow up to mock it and not even mention the rape pirates? The author decided that chara's tragic backstory is being kidnapped and raped by pirates who razed their entire home village. In 2016 Ireland (she decided to headcanon chara as irish I guess) in a timeline resembling our own, literal yo-ho-ho jolly-roger and pirate-sword pirates, besides looking like they came out of a time machine, were able to just go around wiping entire towns off the map while sailing back and forth across the atlantic between first-world countries, entirely unmolested by any coast guard.

For a comic whose premise is "here's how the CANON CHARACTERS are doing on the surface" it also fell hard into OC wank, including introducing an OC named, I shit you not, "Maverick Chaosdragon The Shadow Rogue". There's context that makes the name less egregious, but I choose to disregard it because the context is similarly edgy fanfic shit.

It's such a fucking dumpsterfire, and reading it while laughing got me through some tough times. I still go back to check for updates every few months when I remember it exists.

 

[GratsTheat783]

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com

>scroll back through his past few months of posts
>deltarune updates, mspaint doodle shitposts, posts promoting other indie games, and collabs he's worked on
>literally nothing else
????? meds

How can you bring that shitshow up to mock it and not even mention the rape pirates? The author decided that chara's tragic backstory is being kidnapped and raped by pirates who razed their entire home village. In 2016 Ireland (she decided to headcanon chara as irish I guess) in a timeline resembling our own, literal yo-ho-ho jolly-roger and pirate-sword pirates, besides looking like they came out of a time machine, were able to just go around wiping entire towns off the map while sailing back and forth across the atlantic between first-world countries, entirely unmolested by any coast guard.

For a comic whose premise is "here's how the CANON CHARACTERS are doing on the surface" it also fell hard into OC wank, including introducing an OC named, I shit you not, "Maverick Chaosdragon The Shadow Rogue". There's context that makes the name less egregious, but I choose to disregard it because the context is similarly edgy fanfic shit.

It's such a fucking dumpsterfire, and reading it while laughing got me through some tough times. I still go back to check for updates every few months when I remember it exists.

Please post the rape pirates part, I absolutely need to see that. Is Chara from Northern or Southern Ireland?

 

[Coolio55]

Now that 4cuck's dead, where are we gonna discuss all the theories?
I refuse to go to reddit. That shithole is unusable.

 

[Punished Magician]

Now that 4cuck's dead, where are we gonna discuss all the theories?
I refuse to go to reddit. That shithole is unusable.

It's okay, I can make up some borderline-gibberish clickbait theories for you here : )

METTATON TAPEWORM THEORY:
It's no secret that Mettaton's story is allegorical, but lots of fans tend to get it wrong. Ask anyone, and they'd probably tell you that Hapstablook's insecurity and desire for a new body that fits him right is meant to represent the struggles of the trans community, but new analysis reveals that this plot thread might just be something else entirely. The narrative of inhabiting a vessel because it feels "right" is actually a metaphor for parasitism.

Of course, this concept is also seen in DELTARUNE with the player possessing Kris, and will be explored much more thoroughly in future chapters, because this is actually a very important story to Toby that he's been trying to tell for years. In a recent interview, he revealed that the basic idea for DELTARUNE is a story meant to fulfill the ending to a game he saw during a fever dream a decade and a half ago. What he did not mention is thst the reason he was so ill was because he had gastrointestinal parasites. During this fated dream, he experienced ego death in what he reportedly considered a "religious experience" and now sees himself and his parasites as one organism. This is what the ending was about. The player's control over Kris will be so complete that they become one and the same, like a worm controlling a snail's brain. You are the tapeworm.

Toby's avatar, the annoying dog, is actually the discarded vessel you created, furthering the connection. You are the vessel. You are the dog. You are the tapeworm. The tapeworm is the dog. The dog has worms. He needs a dewormer. He should really be given medicine for that. You should really take your meds. I should really take my meds.

All this tp say,, THID IS A CRYFOR HELp thedoctor wunt refilk my dewormerpresxriptonhelllp

"But do you have any proof of this?"
Yes! You see, on his old fwugradiation account on twitter over a decade ago, he tweeted a meme about a worm on a string, which is actually a secret encoded message confirming my theory. Make sure to make 100 video essays about tapeworm theory so that every fan community accepts it as de-facto canon.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

@Punished Magician Cannot highlight to reply the part of the Mettaton only, lol, anyway...

Marge, how does Enoch (according to Jewish Tanakh I guess) fits here? or some ghost with a weird sounding name?

 

[invisibult plus+]

Here are some screencaps I found while 4chan is down.

Spoiler: Some are long.

 

[Punished Magician]

GASTER PENIS MUSIC THEORY:

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It is well known that Gaster was "shattered across time and space". It is also well known that that every playthrough is randomly assigned a "fun" value—a random number 1-100 that may trigger one of a handful of ominous scenes depending on the value assigned—and that many of these events reference or directly relate to Gaster. It was an easy conclusion that the fact that these Gaster-related events are separated out and can only occur one per playthrough is a reference to this idea of not all of him existing in one place, like he was scattered across the various "timelines" of each save file.

Despite being so quickly intuited and accepted by the fanbase, nobody seems to have truly explored the implications of this fact, nor examined much of anything gaster-related under the context of any given reference or appearance being a mere "piece" of the whole. This is a major detail to overlook. Exploring multiple different possibilities just to see every possible permutation and reveal every last scrap of information is a major theme and plot point in Undertale—one that continues to be developed in Deltarune—and Gaster is the personification of this concept, requiring resetting the game dozens of times just to begin to piece everything together. I would not be surprised if the differences and interactions between savefiles in Deltarune will end up serving the purpose of finding his "pieces" among the different routes and finally joining them together for some sort of payoff.

So, he's a puzzle meant to be reassembled. But how can anyone put together a puzzle without closely examining the pieces to see how they connect? Obviously, the answers lie in determining what each piece is and how they fit together. Here, I will be examing sound test, fun value 65, which namedrops Gaster directly, and is also the only fun event directly adjacent to "mysteryman" at 66, which is the most important out of all of them; Gaster's frequently related to the number 666, and since the correct fun value requires a further 1/10 roll to actually experience the event, it wouldn't be inaccurate to call the needed value here 66.6

In soundtest, you listen to three songs: Happy Town, Meat Factory, and Trouble Dingle, before finally listening to Gaster's Theme. Of note is that none of this music actually appears in the game anywhere, and every piece is a very short loop of a few notes with barely a melody to speak of. This is because, again, they are mere pieces of something whole that we have yet to see. This is why musical references to Gaster's Theme in other tracks (must-watch for any theorist btw) are so controversial; they're not quoting the individual pieces we can directly compare them against, they're quoting other pieces of the full Gaster Theme, which we have not yet heard, so we can only make faulty, limited comparisons to the piece or two we do have. It is likely we will see the synthesis of some of these fragments in future chapters, and eventually the "true" Gaster Theme.

So, what piece of Gaster is soundtest? His "theme"? No, that's not an actual thing in-universe. If you asked sans about Megalovania he'd just answer "what the fuck is a 'Megalovania', retard?". No, soundtest is actually Gaster's penis. "Meat Factory"? Yeah, he's showing us some 'meat' alright. "Trouble Dingle"? That's what they call his ding-a-ling. "Happy Town"? He's about to take Frisk on a one-way ticket to happytown, if you know what I mean. After all, what kind of freak do you expect to experiment with the bodies of dead children? Additionally, in Deltarune, Gaster hands you two eggs. Those "two eggs" are his BALLS. Case closed.

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Proof:
"Gaster Paedo" is 666 in English Gematria, gaster number confirmed
"Gaster" is 420 in English Gematria and "Gaster ding a ling" is 420 in Hebrew Gematria, establishing a connection
"Gaster Meat" is 419, and "Gaster Nonce" 421, both adjacent just like soundtest is to mysteryman.

Rate me whatever stickers you want, because I'll be back to laugh at all of the unbelievers when Chapters 3+4 support my theory. All penis deniers will be forced to bend over for Gaster's alabaster cum blaster and admit they were wrong and dumb and retarded, so here's your chance to get in on ground floor and say you always knew the truth.

 

[Mai]

GASTER PENIS MUSIC THEORY:

I just came home from an extremely long and tiring day and opened this thread -I had to read this title four fucking times to make sure I wasn't going insane

 

[TotalDiggerNeath]

The author decided that chara's tragic backstory is being kidnapped and raped by pirates who razed their entire home village. In 2016 Ireland (she decided to headcanon chara as irish I guess) in a timeline resembling our own

So they were invaded by Somalian refugees?

 

[Punished Magician]

Please post the rape pirates part, I absolutely need to see that. Is Chara from Northern or Southern Ireland?

So they were invaded by Somalian refugees?

No, because that would possibly make some sense, being an exaggeration of and combination of a couple real things. When I say the pirates had a fucking galleon with the skull-and-crossbones flag and fucking cutlasses, it wasn't a figure of speech.

Spoiler: THAR BE PIRATES

Looking at the following pages again, I think the implication might actually be that it took place many centuries ago during the early colonial era (a map has "New Britain" written over Canada) which I'm pretty sure contradicts canon to the tune of multiple centuries (like that ever stopped the author), but even if that makes more sense than 2016 rennfair-ass pirates randomly massacring some micks, "lol rape pirates" out of nowhere will never not be funny and out-of-place. The worst part is the art direction for this sequence is unironically pretty good, whiplash aside. This flashback took place during a crossover with another webcomic/askblog, not even the first one in this comic; it usually involves a specific character ending up in this timeline and having the two different interpretations by different authors interact. The guest ones always seem more interesting.

At any rate, the comic is absolutely full of dumb shit. Nearly every character is made gay. Fucking BURGERPANTS shows up for exactly 5 panels to tell you that he has a boyfriend. He never appeared before, nor since. They come up with some lore about soul reproduction through magic to explain why monsters have gaybies, and it even makes sense, but then they explicitly contradict it later anyway (I forget the specifics). Frisk randomly has a big tiddy latina older sister (already mentioned) that the author keeps giving sexual tension with multiple other characters, including canon. Asgore gets his ex stolen by sans but then starts dating a racist indian, if I remember right. The last few pages of updates are OCs interacting with other OCs because of reasons caused by other OCs while it cuts away to show some other OC talking about his history with other OCs. Even when it's not OCs, multiple canon characters have been ship-of-theseus'd into unrecognizable AU versions of themselves... for example, Chara is now a skeleton with glowing transparent red hair.

Which brings me back to Maverick Chaosdragon The Shadow Rogue... the explanation for his name is that it's actually an alternate timeline Asriel, and the name is just leaning into his chuunibyou streak and how he comes up with dumb edgy names like "Absolute God of Hyperdeath" to sound cool. A cute nod, by itself... except the context is he's like a future trunks older version of Asriel from an alternate timeline of the current story where he (as Flowey) becomes good again and, though traumatized from memories of his descent into psycopathy, can finally return tk his old self and love his family again, and after a tearful reunion... they're all killed, everyone around him dies, full-on "nothing left but smoldering ruins" apocalypse. Because racism.

i fucking love this retarded comic

I just came home from an extremely long and tiring day and opened this thread -I had to read this title four fucking times to make sure I wasn't going insane

Much like Gaster himself, Gaster Penis Music Theory must be experienced multiple times to fully understand it.

@Punished Magician Cannot highlight to reply the part of the Mettaton only, lol, anyway...

Marge, how does Enoch (according to Jewish Tanakh I guess) fits here? or some ghost with a weird sounding name?

The biblical symbolism in Undertale is so deep that we will never hope to fully unravel all of its intricacies. No matter how closely you examine it, it all lines up so perfectly that even parts outside of Toby's control fit into it like it was fate.
Remember the fetish character forced into the game against Toby's will, So Sorry? His creator goes by "Samael".

 

[Hitchhiker]

Undertale fans continue to be the most deranged motherfuckers even 10 years later. I honestly respect it though, it takes a lot of effort to keep up that level of crazy.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

The biblical symbolism in Undertale is so deep that we will never hope to fully unravel all of its intricacies. No matter how closely you examine it, it all lines up so perfectly that even parts outside of Toby's control fit into it like it was fate.
Remember the fetish character forced into the game against Toby's will, So Sorry? His creator goes by "Samael".

Right, Samael, Azazel or whatever is said to be Lucifer's real name. Or the fallen angel who spoke to Eve in the Garden. Or that's my understanding.

 

[Punished Magician]

Alright, shitposts aside,

Writing on the Wall is a semi-recent (no new official developments since its release) theory/analysis video going over the True Lab journal entries. Specifically, expanding upon the pre-existing theory that older entries were written by Gaster while newer ones were written by Alphys. It's a mostly very grounded analysis of some basic facts, yet points out a bunch of little details and nuances that nobody's noticed before. It establishes a rough timeline of when Gaster was first commissioned to find a way to break the Barrier by Asgore, when he started using human souls for this purpose, when he disappeared, and when Alphys took over. Some observations that surprised me (but that were staring us in the face the whole time) are that the first couple of entries state that they're limited in how they're able to approach the whole Barrier project because they don't have access to any human souls (meaning work in the True Lab started before at least Chara's death, and likely before Chara ever fell down at all), and that the deterioration of the CORE and True Lab (lots of cracks in the walls or bits of wire sticking out) imply that he's been gone for long enough for them to fall into disrepair—meaning that it's very unlikely any living characters with normal lifespans (like Alphys) ever met him, or even existed at the same time as him.
S-tier video.

How Do You KILL A Time Traveler? is a more recent video by the same guy, part theorycrafting and part thought experiment about how you'd have to strategize and conduct yourself if you've detected some sort of time-traveler causing havoc around you and have no more information than that to work with, not even knowing if this is the first time you've been in this scenario or reset #14835. Based on the sans genocide dialogue and the broken machine implying he's from somewhere else, and the bits in both genocide and pacifist where he seems aware of the possibilities of time-travel/timeline shenanigans. Also uses some of the alarm clock lore about Flowey claiming Papyrus' real favorite food isn't spaghetti. It took me until the end of the video to realize it was more about Flowey than the player, since he was around doing the whole SAVE thing first.
Overall another banger video, though much less about concrete observations or lore implications than the usual fare.

The one I linked in the half-shitpost gaster post is also an unironic recommend.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Case III of The Tumblr Files is now up.
It covers Undertale, Toby Fox's history, and the people he's worked with.

 

[Punished Magician]

Alright, Undertale/Deltarune has spawned mountains of basically every possible kind of fan content over the years (webcomics, fanart, 3-hour-long theory videos, etc.), but out of all of it the most consistently good has been the music. From fan remixes/arrangements to entirely original songs, there are thousands that have been put out over the years, and although there's plenty of junk in there, there are some real gems too.

Spoiler: lotsa links

I'll start with the only lyrical fansong that I actually like, The One Who Made Him Die. Where most (like Undertale The Musical) like to commit the cardinal sin of just taking an instrumental song from the game and then singing vocals on top to the pre-existing melody (that's not how it works. if songs on the radio had the singers try to perfectly mimic the melody of the instruments it would sound like shit), this person seems to know what they're actually doing. It uses an original arrangement of Lost Girl as a base, and the lyrics sound like cryptic lines of a poem, and it really captures the whole ominous feel of Snowgrave they were going for. They also made a second version a year later, which trades a bit of the atmosphere of the original in exchange for being more melodic and adding a new segment near the beginning. It sounds pretty good, though I think I prefer the first one since it's more unique.

From the same person, Boltzmann Brain is 7-minute-long orchestral Gaster theme that slowly develops and changes throughout its runtime. The weird way it's structured and the various tracks it incorproates and how it changes up a little as it progresses represents Gaster pretty well, and I like the way they arranged the CORE motif.

Speaking of Gaster themes, Null and Void is one of my favorites. It's from Undertale: Halloween Hack, an AU that exists as a few pages of a webcomic, a bunch of scattered lore and story tidbits from the creator's socials, and the only complete parts being the amazing soundtrack, which seems to be how it goes for these things. UTHH in general has a really good soundtrack that you should check out, and chances are you've already at least heard No More Nuzzles.

PARAMALGAM is technically more Pokémon than Undertale since it's an Amalgam-style arrangement of the Paradox Pokémon theme from the latest Pokémon game, but it comes full circle anyways because that was still a Toby Fox track.

Vs. Susie is one of the best tracks in the series, and I don't think I've seen a single cover properly capture the raw emotion from the guitar in the chorus(?), so instead here's a remix I liked that went in a different direction and played around with the instrumentation instead.

SPAMTON CD is a Sonic CD-style remix of some of Spamton's themes, combined with a couple classic Sonic tracks. Meanwhile, this is a cross between World Revolving and Sonic Rush's main theme that sounds really good.

ASGORE sounds really good on accordion, and this Spear of Justice cover uses a really unique selection of instruments compared to most.

And for a couple of stupider covers, I can't help but love these Otamatone ones, Smooth McGroove's acapella covers are better thsn they have any right to be, and hearing an epic final boss theme on kazoo never gets old. Hyuman's traditional Japanese-style covers are also very nice, and I can't make this long a post without throwing the DK Rap mashups.

Thai McGrath makes anime-style openings for various popular franchises using music from the series. He has some real bangers, but too many of his tend to devolve into what's best described as "leitmotif soup" as he tries throwing way too many ingredients into the dish. His "TV-size" ones are less prone to this thsn the full-length versions, and thankfully his Genocide (especially that bridge in the middle) and Deltarune themes are pretty good.

This remix of THE HOLY really enhances the ethereal vibe it already had, and this cross between World Revolving and Field of Hopes and Dreams is pretty good.

I have no idea what the fuck a "swapspin" or "Teralazing" are but this one is pretty catchy.

Here are a bunch of siivagunner/siiva-style rips I liked, in no particular order. The first one is unironically good, the rest are either shitposty or have the asterisk of being associated with something else.
https://youtu.be/-7gGrnBIP40
https://youtu.be/RyPJ3WaKolc
https://youtu.be/neYjH4BzCtA
https://youtu.be/lRVmUnSRgP0

And finally, though it's technically official, the orchestra 5th Anniversary Concert would sometimes seamlessly blend related tracks together if they were next to each other in the OST, and deserves a special mention if you hadn't listened to it already.

Feel free to respond with some of your favorites, and please tell me if you know anything good that's Chara-related that doesn't just slap on Megalo Strike Back when his theme is CLEARLY Once Upon A Time.

PS. it feels really weird writing long posts about underrune here instead of /v/, but I'd still take it over /vg/ any day of the week. To any 4chan mods reading this, please have the site back up in time for the Chapters 3&4 release, otherwise the voice in my head will force me to track you down and murder and rape you in that order.
please don't make me do it
: (

 

[Chuck's Feed and Seed]

gaster sighting at 3:27. what could it mean?? is toby gonna collab with yorushika?

 

[Obsessed snowman]

One thing I rarely see people talk about is how fucked up the main cast of Deltarune is.

• Kris
  • Real parents are nowhere to be found
  • Foster parents are divorced
  • Clearly envies his brother since Asriel is pretty much just a better version of him
  • Has no friends at the start of the game
  • And that's not even getting into him being posessed and everything
• Noelle
  • Father is sick
  • Mother is presumably quite tough on her
  • Sister is missing(?) due to a thing that still haunts her
• Susie
  • Not much is revealed about her, but the game alludes to her having a bad home life

That's just off the top of my head. Kris in particular is basically school shooter material, Noelle is a close second, and we don't really know much about Susie so far.
How's Toby going to resolve this in further chapters?

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[soy woah jaque]

One thing I rarely see people talk about is how fucked up the main cast of Deltarune is.

• Kris
  • Real parents are nowhere to be found
  • Foster parents are divorced
  • Clearly envies his brother since Asriel is pretty much just a better version of him
  • Has no friends at the start of the game
  • And that's not even getting into him being posessed and everything
• Noelle
  • Father is sick
  • Mother is presumably quite tough on her
  • Sister is missing(?) due to a thing that still haunts her
• Susie
  • Not much is revealed about her, but the game alludes to her having a bad home life

That's just off the top of my head. Kris in particular is basically school shooter material, Noelle is a close second, and we don't really know much about Susie so far.
How's Toby going to resolve this in further chapters?

I still don't like noelle because she has that annoying "so hecking awkward and stuttery!!1!" character archetype, so does ralsei. They might have backstories but their personalities seem very one-dimensional and cliche to me.
I really hate the stuttering trope, no one talks like that irl unless they have a speech impediment.

 

[Coolio55]

One thing I rarely see people talk about is how fucked up the main cast of Deltarune is.

• Kris
  • Real parents are nowhere to be found
  • Foster parents are divorced
  • Clearly envies his brother since Asriel is pretty much just a better version of him
  • Has no friends at the start of the game
  • And that's not even getting into him being posessed and everything
• Noelle
  • Father is sick
  • Mother is presumably quite tough on her
  • Sister is missing(?) due to a thing that still haunts her
• Susie
  • Not much is revealed about her, but the game alludes to her having a bad home life

That's just off the top of my head. Kris in particular is basically school shooter material, Noelle is a close second, and we don't really know much about Susie so far.
How's Toby going to resolve this in further chapters?

No comments on hoe this is going to be played with but I'm pretty sure that this is an intentional riff on MOTHER 3.
IIRC in an elevator ride before the final twist, Kumatora and Duster muse on the fact that the three of you are motherless and have difficult guardians.
Kumatora with the Magypsies who live in a bizarre hedonistic bubble and have little regard for humanity.
Duster and his mentor Wess, a hotheaded man who is implied to be responsible for his limp.
And Lucas. Flint had been neglectful towards him in the preceeding years, driven by grief on a fruitless quest to find his missing brother.