Undertale

I just had a hilarious thought. What if once Kris figures out a way to permanently remove the SOUL from his body, then canonically everyone starts using HE pronouns? Oh shit, the fan base would have an absolute tranny meltdown while Toby does a massive trollface.jpg. After all, Kris would be a singular person and not some kind of a multiple persons\entities at that point so using plural pronouns no longer makes sense.

(Sorry if someone already mentioned this, I don't follow the thread closely.)
 
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ducktales4gameboy said:
2. I think it's safe to say Ralsei is something being carried by Kris specifically but I feel if it was the fake horns they'd be in his inventory in the light world. When you reenter castle town at the end of Ch2 (probably other times too) and get the transformation animation an oversized star shoots off him at the end and flies off the top of the screen rather than fading, and the whole effect looks extremely similar to the infamous addition you get in the Super Metroid ending if you go out of your way to save the animals.
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I was thinking over horn theory yesterday evening. Rambs dialog had him mention that back in the day Queen was at Noelle's side, King at Kris's, while Tenna and Spamton watched from the back. I think if the theory that Ralsei was the horns were true, then the other characters would recognize him.
 
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Somebody put the Asgore truck meme at the bottom of the page :hah:
 
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Cucktry Roads said:
I was thinking over horn theory yesterday evening. Rambs dialog had him mention that back in the day Queen was at Noelle's side, King at Kris's, while Tenna and Spamton watched from the back. I think if the theory that Ralsei was the horns were true, then the other characters would recognize him.
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Ralsei does have a sorta "doesn't belong" vibe going on with him.
Queen for example didn't just not recognize him, but just forgot that he was a thing entirely.
And Queen, despite her meme-iness, should know just about everything as a result of what she represents.
 
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Chapter 4 Snowgrave Spoilers
I haven't seen anyone put any blame on Kris in the couch scene. We've seen Kris pull us out whenever we're alone, and also see Kris perform actions we don't tell him to do when we're together (Hugging Ralsei in chapter 4, covering mouth to avoid talking to Susie about us, etc. We never tell Kris to move forward in this scene either.) You think in future chapters they'll explain why Kris only pulls us out when we're alone, even if pulling us out here would have saved Noelle? We also get inside Kris without his help, only in weird route/ISPOILER]
 
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I haven't seen anyone put any blame on Kris in the couch scene. We've seen Kris pull us out whenever we're alone, and also see Kris perform actions we don't tell him to do when we're together (Hugging Ralsei in chapter 4, covering mouth to avoid talking to Susie about us, etc. We never tell Kris to move forward in this scene either.) You think in future chapters they'll explain why Kris only pulls us out when we're alone, even if pulling us out here would have saved Noelle? We also get inside Kris without his help, only in weird route/ISPOILER]
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The Shadow mantle boss/ERAM talks about it in Chapter 3, Ramb and the Chapter 4 Egg room alludes to it as well, but Kris had sadistic and murderous tendencies when he was younger. Mentions of the knife growing dull, Kris feeling like he's unable to wash graphite off of his hands alluding to blood stained hands, ERAM straight out saying he enjoyed the fact he could hurt Noelle while thrusting all the responsibility onto the player.
Of course he really hates himself and (you) for it, but essentially the Red Soul/Player is taking advantage of those impulses and thoughts he normally never would act on in order to manipulate Noelle in order to see what happens/break the game.
 
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Chapter 4 Snowgrave Spoilers
I haven't seen anyone put any blame on Kris in the couch scene. We've seen Kris pull us out whenever we're alone, and also see Kris perform actions we don't tell him to do when we're together (Hugging Ralsei in chapter 4, covering mouth to avoid talking to Susie about us, etc. We never tell Kris to move forward in this scene either.) You think in future chapters they'll explain why Kris only pulls us out when we're alone, even if pulling us out here would have saved Noelle? We also get inside Kris without his help, only in weird route/ISPOILER]
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Since the soul can just repossess him unless trapped, he may have known it was futile to try and doesn't want anyone to know he can? We need way too little about the soul and how it works to say for sure.
 
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vvilford said:
I just had a hilarious thought. What if once Kris figures out a way to permanently remove the SOUL from his body, then canonically everyone starts using HE pronouns? Oh shit, the fan base would have an absolute tranny meltdown while Toby does a massive trollface.jpg. After all, Kris would be a singular person and not some kind of a multiple persons\entities at that point so using plural pronouns no longer makes sense.

(Sorry if someone already mentioned this, I don't follow the thread closely.)
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Or better yet, make Susie as straight as a ruler and turn down Noelle.
 
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Susie x Noelle has gotta be the most forced (and boring) ship ever. The Mary sue who falls in love with the badass, crude character is soooo fucking boring. If anything, both kris, and susie have more in common than anyone in the game. Both are outcasts, and weirdos. Everything else about the game I really like. I was never a fan of sans. Never cared about any of the major characters from undertale. The only one I really liked was papyrus. Sucks how its been 4 fucking chapters in, and we STILL haven't seen the lanky dumbass.
 
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Angry Muda said:
Chapter 4 Snowgrave Spoilers
I haven't seen anyone put any blame on Kris in the couch scene. We've seen Kris pull us out whenever we're alone, and also see Kris perform actions we don't tell him to do when we're together (Hugging Ralsei in chapter 4, covering mouth to avoid talking to Susie about us, etc. We never tell Kris to move forward in this scene either.) You think in future chapters they'll explain why Kris only pulls us out when we're alone, even if pulling us out here would have saved Noelle? We also get inside Kris without his help, only in weird route/ISPOILER]
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That's why his arm fidgets so much and he keeps covering Noelle's mouth before saying "Me". He's trying to fight back but can't quite do it. Case in point, if you don't retake control of Kris, he grabs Noelle and runs out of the room before we can do anything.
 
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gaysexenjoyer said:
Tbf, she also had no idea that the fountain would fuck the world.

Oh but we have :smug:
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Knowing that the fountain would fuck up the world isn't exactly something I really expect any Darkner (aside from maybe Ramb, Spamton, Seam,or Jevil) would understand. Queen should know a lot about the light world due to being a laptop and being able to observe basically everything through the internet.
 
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gaysexenjoyer said:
If Noelle was a dude almost every interaction and inner monologue involving Susie she has would be immediately seen as desperate and obsessive, which... they are.
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Noelle letting her gay crush just barge into the room of her dead/missing sister and start fucking with her things and lounging against her bed is genuinely such a shitty thing.
If only the GOAT Berdley didn't get iced in Snowgrave, it'd truly be the perfect route.
 
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