Law Upcoming vote on Net Neutrality laws - How many times do we need to strike this shit down?

FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the Federal Communications Commission is set to unveil plans next week for a final vote to reverse a landmark 2015 net neutrality order barring the blocking or slowing of web content, two people briefed on the plans said.

In May, the FCC voted 2-1 to advance Republican FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s plan to withdraw the former Obama administration’s order reclassifying internet service providers as if they were utilities. Pai now plans to hold a final vote on the proposal at the FCC’s Dec. 14 meeting, the people said, and roll out details of the plans next week.

Pai asked in May for public comment on whether the FCC has authority or should keep any regulations limiting internet providers’ ability to block, throttle or offer “fast lanes” to some websites, known as “paid prioritization.” Several industry officials told Reuters they expect Pai to drop those specific legal requirements but retain some transparency requirements under the order.

An FCC spokesman declined to comment.

Internet providers including AT&T Inc, Comcast Corp and Verizon Communications Inc say ending the rules could spark billions in additional broadband investment and eliminate the possibility a future administration could regulate internet pricing.

Critics say the move could harm consumers, small businesses and access to the internet.

In July, a group representing major technology firms including Alphabet Inc and Facebook Inc urged Pai to drop plans to rescind the rules.

Advocacy group Free Press said Wednesday “we’ll learn the gory details in the next few days, but we know that Pai intends to dismantle the basic protections that have fueled the internet’s growth.”

Pai, who argues the Obama order was unnecessary and harms jobs and investment, has not committed to retaining any rules, but said he favors an “open internet.” The proposal to reverse the Obama rules reclassifying internet service has drawn more than 22 million comments.

Pai is mounting an aggressive deregulatory agenda since being named by President Donald Trump to head the FCC.

On Thursday the FCC will vote on Pai’s proposal to eliminate the 42-year-old ban on cross-ownership of a newspaper and TV station in a major market. The proposal would make it easier for media companies to buy additional TV stations in the same market.

Pai is also expected to call for an initial vote in December to rescind rules that say one company may not own stations serving more than 39 percent of U.S. television households, two people briefed on the matter said.
Oh, and Comcast is already lobbying.

I'm so sick of this shit, seriously. The FCC is whoring out for Comcast and AT&T instead of ensuring that American citizens have equal access to the internet.
 
Ah yes the days of treating the internet like a phone line?


I can only hope there might be some ISP who will be willing to be completely blind to whatever website you visit. Unfortunately it is likely that it will come at the cost of an extremely high subscription price, low speed all around, and some sort of 2 to 5 year lock in plan. I can only hope there will be some ISP out there who will let you access the darknet in the future.
The alternative is google swooping in and offering it's own ISP with few restrictions. Instead they'll just spy on you and sell everybit of information you give them.


I doubt most people will miss the internet (as we know it). They mostly just want email and news. I can't see online shopping being too adversely effected by this. News won't require too much bandwidth either. Youtube and Netflix will feel it though; long load times might drive people back to satellite/cable and redbox rentals. Steam and other online game shops aren't mainstream enough for people to care about. I suspected there might be a 'gamer' plan from an ISP that will give steam or other major gaming services the fast lane but, it will be very costly and fairly restrictive.

I fear we're entering a dark age of some sort. I wonder what other ISPs in the world will do. Will Canada and Mexico's ISPs follow America's examples? What about England and Australia?
Canada kind of already does that sort of thing. Only it charges extraordinary amounts for TV/Internet/Phone packages. My provider charges almost $150 just for Phone and Internet alone.

If anyone complains about humanities progress seemingly stalling this fucking shit here is why. Corporations hate innovation because it forces them to compete. They'd much rather form giant monopolies and then sell the same mediocre product forever because that's more profitable.

Anarcho capitalism is exceptional.
Innovation can be just as profitable if they do it right, but they won't. Remember the home video debacle when major film companies were threatened by VHS recorders? They eventually embraced that shit and even endorsed DVD and Blu-Ray. Some are even heavily into Digital distribution methods too.

The problem is that companies like ATT & Comcast (and the FCC) are run by exceptionals who bend over backwards to anyone who makes a convincing argument and shoves money in their faces. I'd argue that if someone who defends free internet gave them a couple million bucks, they'd change their tone regarding net neutrality (albeit, not in a quick and timely fashion).
 
Evidently this FCC comish doesn't give a shit about public comments. But when Congress threatened to pass SOPA the internet basically blacked itself out in protest and they backed off pretty quickly. Why isn't there a similar campaign for net neutrality?
 
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Trump genuinely appears to think that "Net Neutrality" has something to do with fair and balanced fake news coverage. He's tweeted about it before, pre-presidency even, and it's pretty clear he has no goddamned idea what it entails. Which isn't super shocking for a 71 year old.
 
Most likely will be passed.nice knowing you guys cause of seem like the people in office are reversing everything that Obama done. Of we're lucky enough for trump to be in office for 4 years, life would go back to normal.

It's the current timeline, nothing will be normal.
 
Innovation can be just as profitable if they do it right, but they won't. Remember the home video debacle when major film companies were threatened by VHS recorders? They eventually embraced that shit and even endorsed DVD and Blu-Ray. Some are even heavily into Digital distribution methods too.

Innovation is risky, and corporations don't like risk. Even on the off chance their investment discovers the most amazing invention of all time. Their competitors attempt to reverse engineer and then re-engineer the patent in order to avoid lawasuits. It's simply not worth it to them. Movies with multiple sequels and spinoffs, Call of Duty Alternate Earth WWII Modern Warfare Advanced Soldier 4 Deluxe Edition.
 
Is anyone else suspicious of the marketing around net neutrality efforts?

I'm for net neutrality, as I understand it, but it seems like anytime I see one of these websites for promoting it, you can easily dig deeper and find some weird union or biased advocacy group behind it.

Why does net neutrality get so much traction so often when other causes don't?
 
Innovation is risky, and corporations don't like risk. Even on the off chance their investment discovers the most amazing invention of all time. Their competitors attempt to reverse engineer and then re-engineer the patent in order to avoid lawasuits. It's simply not worth it to them. Movies with multiple sequels and spinoffs, Call of Duty Alternate Earth WWII Modern Warfare Advanced Soldier 4 Deluxe Edition.

You don't even need to look that far from the source on this. Despite a completely changed market, Cable companies are still pedaling the exact same packages they have for 30 years that no one wants.
 
Is anyone else suspicious of the marketing around net neutrality efforts?

I'm for net neutrality, as I understand it, but it seems like anytime I see one of these websites for promoting it, you can easily dig deeper and find some weird union or biased advocacy group behind it.

Why does net neutrality get so much traction so often when other causes don't?
Yeah that's one reason why I wonder a little. I signed on to one of the big net neutrality petitions a few years back when people went apeshit over it and holy fuck the spam I got from those fuckers was something else.
 
Why does net neutrality get so much traction so often when other causes don't?
Are you asking why people seem to give a fuck?

I am guessing it's because two entire generations of Americans have dealt with continually diminishing hopes for the future, and the Internet was the final frontier. And now they want to barb wire it
 
Are you asking why people seem to give a fuck?

I am guessing it's because two entire generations of Americans have dealt with continually diminishing hopes for the future, and the Internet was the final frontier. And now they want to barb wire it

This is kind of my point. Why are you, an ostensibly intelligent person willing to think of the issue in such black and white terms? Who is "they"? What does it mean to "barb wire" it? It sort of sounds like when I get called a nazi for saying my girlfriend shouldn't have to share a bathroom with Greta.

Why are so many people asking for my address and other demographic information in order to "protest" the issue? Why am I getting text messages that use the same templates as moveon.org's text messages to tell me to send e-mails to my congressperson? Who the fuck is Fight For The Future? Who is paying them? Honestly and genuinely, what is the text of the laws (Or whatever) that affirm net neutrality?
 
Switch to my VPN and hide my connections's source/destination, Google loads instantly again.

This right here. Assuming in a worst case scenario this BS finally does pass and Internet access in America gets hacked to pieces, would investing in a VPN subscription effectively counter the throttling/blacklisting carried out by service providers?

Or would Comcast & Co be able to see that you're trying to hide your connection through a VPN and block or limit access to said VPN outright?
 
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