Law Upcoming vote on Net Neutrality laws - How many times do we need to strike this shit down?

FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the Federal Communications Commission is set to unveil plans next week for a final vote to reverse a landmark 2015 net neutrality order barring the blocking or slowing of web content, two people briefed on the plans said.

In May, the FCC voted 2-1 to advance Republican FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s plan to withdraw the former Obama administration’s order reclassifying internet service providers as if they were utilities. Pai now plans to hold a final vote on the proposal at the FCC’s Dec. 14 meeting, the people said, and roll out details of the plans next week.

Pai asked in May for public comment on whether the FCC has authority or should keep any regulations limiting internet providers’ ability to block, throttle or offer “fast lanes” to some websites, known as “paid prioritization.” Several industry officials told Reuters they expect Pai to drop those specific legal requirements but retain some transparency requirements under the order.

An FCC spokesman declined to comment.

Internet providers including AT&T Inc, Comcast Corp and Verizon Communications Inc say ending the rules could spark billions in additional broadband investment and eliminate the possibility a future administration could regulate internet pricing.

Critics say the move could harm consumers, small businesses and access to the internet.

In July, a group representing major technology firms including Alphabet Inc and Facebook Inc urged Pai to drop plans to rescind the rules.

Advocacy group Free Press said Wednesday “we’ll learn the gory details in the next few days, but we know that Pai intends to dismantle the basic protections that have fueled the internet’s growth.”

Pai, who argues the Obama order was unnecessary and harms jobs and investment, has not committed to retaining any rules, but said he favors an “open internet.” The proposal to reverse the Obama rules reclassifying internet service has drawn more than 22 million comments.

Pai is mounting an aggressive deregulatory agenda since being named by President Donald Trump to head the FCC.

On Thursday the FCC will vote on Pai’s proposal to eliminate the 42-year-old ban on cross-ownership of a newspaper and TV station in a major market. The proposal would make it easier for media companies to buy additional TV stations in the same market.

Pai is also expected to call for an initial vote in December to rescind rules that say one company may not own stations serving more than 39 percent of U.S. television households, two people briefed on the matter said.
Oh, and Comcast is already lobbying.

I'm so sick of this shit, seriously. The FCC is whoring out for Comcast and AT&T instead of ensuring that American citizens have equal access to the internet.
 
Not really, this thing's going to be so bogged down by attempts to overturn it that fucking nothing's going to come of it.

The thing's going to stall out due to the massive civil and criminal action being lined up agains the FCC (and this in particular), and Pai's going to leave office, at which point it will simply be overturned again and Verizon and friends will try all over again, having learned nothing.

For every action there is an opposite reaction. You're all about to see it and it will be autistic as hell.

There's going to be lawsuits galore in the coming weeks. The ISPs aren't immediately going to turn our Internet into China's. They will initially keep things the same as they are, and with every lawsuit it'll keep the bastards on their toes for fear that anything they do could be used as evidence in the suits. With any luck it'll be bogged down in lawsuits until there's a new FCC commissioner.

But above all if you really want the Internet to remain free - don't be a whiny defeatist. Keep fighting and maybe you'll actually win.

It's not over, yeah. There's still a lot of shit this thing has to go through before it's official, depending on who's against it. And I'd say it looks like answer is: enough.
 
So to calm down for a second:

this will go to court, and this will be held in Congress one way or another. I'm literally watching the FCC livestream, and that shit has more negative votes than any lolcow video I have ever seen, and the chat is constantly getting spammed with "Die, Pajeet, DIE!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OMx2rinpbI

There is a confirmed majority on this, and people will not stop screaming about it. The only place that is of note that is really saying "lol, net neutrality is bad" is on /pol/, and we all kind of agree that place is sheer autism.

Comcast and others can lobby as much as they want-- but it becomes mute when the majority literally keeps screaming and saying "no no no no no no". There are also a few groups that already beginning the process of a lawsuit and others that are asking people to constantly message their senators and representatives.

This is why we have the balance of powers, and this is why we don't have small groups deciding the fate of millions, as shit like this happens. If you all are genuinely concerned, please call, write, and protest to your representatives and senators; and no the excuse "but they get paid off by telecom-- so why bother?" is not a good excuse: if you really want businesses to not interfere, then protest against it. Also to those saying "GOVERMENT IS BAD," please stop-- having no government is as bad as a corrupt government; I'm not saying we should NOT reform what we have and that what we got atm is extremely corrupt and has a shitton of issues; trust me, I know our government is shit, but it's also not a good idea to have the other extreme, which is anarchy and let corporations have the reign.

You need government regulations so you don't have big fat monopolies like back in the 19th century, and this was one regulation most supported and is needed to stop such things: to have the internet as a UTILITY rather than COMMODITY that corporations can exploit.

For those saying this is good, it's not: it's literally going from one monster (government) to another (companies). You are just placing yourself into the mouth of another evil.
 
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Another post, but honestly, my family's not that worried about it anyway. We already bitch we pay a lot for cable and internet through Comcast. We've had cheap satellite TV before and aside from being shitty in bad weather, we may go back to it eventually and get a cheap local service for internet. Granted, most of the options are satellite internet, but better than nothing and we'd save money.
 
Ajit Pai is noticably skirting around every angry criticism made against his plan by the people who are voting against it.

He's just saying over and over "it's not the end of the world".
Not our world. His on the other hand...

Still, if this shit manages to pass even despite the courts, you guys will finally feel what it's like to be a Canadian paying $150 a month for simple internet and phone.
 
JK, calm down. we don't know what's going to happen yet

Not much either way. Maybe if NN passes again some QoS is inadvertently outlawed a result. Watching people sperg about this when the internet completely fine up until 2015 is pretty hilarious. It's all paranoid speculation by millennials that grew up getting their info from Jim Stewart. Half of NN people don't even know what it is, I keep hearing about people talking pay-by-the-minute of dialup days laughing at the idiocy.
 
Ironically, while most of the right-aligned politispergs are blindly celebrating, Richard Spencer of all people is being reasonable.
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So, I'm very much in favor of net neutrality. I don't think there is much innovation to be had in ISPs.

However, there is some innovation to be had. Not much, but I think it's important for people to realize that there are valid anti-NN arguments. They're just not very substantive.

Here's an example:

So if I'm a big or medium-ish company on the eastern seaboard. My offices are located in the suburbs, because my employees prefer the green, lush (I say boring, but...) suburbs to the edgy urban environment of the city.

I might want to keep my servers in the office. Our guys are working on some hardware related stuff, and so they'll want first hand access to them. They'll also want a super fast connection, one you can't really get outside of a big city. So I might consider investing in running a really nice fiber connection into the city to get better speeds.

Now here's where net neutrality gets involved. Let's say that once I've got my really nice private connection, I notice that I've got a lot of excess capacity. Let's say 30% of the time, the line goes unused. Depending on how you interpret net neutrality, I might not be allowed to sell that excess 30% to my neighbors in my little suburban town.

The reasoning is that, I cannot give premium access to my traffic, on my connection, while simultaneously selling my excess at residential prices to my neighbors.

The question we need to ask is: how often does this happen? Is it worth it to just tell the people in the above situation to fuck off? (admittedly, that's totally a valid option) What are the economic effects of net neutrality?

I don't know the answers to these questions. I've got inklings, and I suspect that net neutrality is the correct answer. But food for thought, anyway.
Another thing I can see happening if this DOES go through unabated: it leads to a shitload of discussion about monopolies (which are supposed to be illegal in this country), and laws start getting changed. Instead of just having like one or two ISPs per area, a ton of local ones start popping up. Ones with traditional mom and pop values that don’t fuck over the consumers.

*waits for optimistic ratings*
Monopolies are indeed illegal in the US. Public utilities are considered "natural monopolies" in the US because we've come around to the idea that it's simply the topology of some kinds of problems that makes a monopoly the natural solution. So what we do is we allow the monopoly, but heavily regulate it, sometimes even just nationalizing it.

So for example, running gas lines. We don't want to dig up the ground and run fresh gas lines just because another gas company is offering gas for half a cent lower than your current guys.

When it comes to electricity and gas in my area, we have a centralized, quasi-public company (BG&E) that maintains all the infrastructure, and then individual little providers can sign you up and BGE will consider them your "supplier" for pricing purposes.

I'm not really sure how that would work for internet connections. It's the last mile problem.

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I don't know enough about internet infrastructure to really comment intelligently about what's feasible. Like, with FIOS, is it fiber optic cables all the way down to the final customer's address? Or do they just revert to copper when they get to the neighborhood level? Copper at the neighborhood level would help things, but still, I don't think two ISPs can share the existing copper network. It might need to be one ISP, one neighborhood.

Or maybe there could be a city-wide LAN with hardware maintained by the government, and then the ISPs only operate big trunk lines to/from the city LAN. But then the next question is: how much does the last mile contribute to (or rather, detract from) speed? If it's by a substantial amount, then a government run internet would be equitable and free and democratic... but just slow as fuck.

I don't know much about networking, so I'm just thinking out loud.

(ps this is a pretty cool project, someone could probably build a local ISP based on it.)
Saying you want to force Ajit to use a toilet and not the nearest street corner may as well be a death threat tbh.
Them toilet witches tho. It's a legit risk.
 
I'm not sure autistic screeching is the best way to decide policy.

Honestly, it's better than people giving up. I rather have the screeching this time around than people just being complacent and giving up. Yes, there is the problem that government officals that are corrupt treat the masses as "animals" and the screeching does not help, but those type of people are going to think such things no matter if there is screeching or not.

I do agree, however, that spamming shit is not going to help; you need discussion, not yelling.
 
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