Disaster Updates on the Las Vegas Shooting - this is not the shitposting thread you are looking for

Thankfully, we have a great thread for all of your retarded arguments about gun control or whatever is going on in there at the moment, but for the rest of us there is a ton of shit coming out so we'll keep track of it here. If you want to argue like a retard, once again, the containment thread is perfect for that. So fuck off with that shit in here. Same with speculations. Keep this thread mostly for hard facts and discussion of said facts.



Basic Bitches Facts

  • 59 people were killed (including the gunman), and according to police sources, at least 527 were injured.
  • The shooter is Stephen Paddock, 64, from the area.
  • The FBI said he was believed to have acted alone.
  • He opened fired on the Route 91 Harvest Country Music festival in Las Vegas
  • About 22,000 people were attending the festival at the time
  • His sniper nest was in a corner room he rented on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel & Casino
  • 23 guns were found in his hotel room, with another 24 at his various, alongside explosives and thousands of rounds.

Facts about the victims
  • Multiple portraits of the victims have been published so far, if you want to get really depressed.
  • Three of them have yet to be identified
  • It's also important to remember: a lot of the victims are in critical condition and the death toll may keep rising, unfortunately.


The Updates:

This is where it gets interesting:

What Stephen Paddock did was highly professional. According to the last press conference by Undersheriff McMahill, two cameras were set up in the hallway in order to see SWAT team approaching, as well as one through the hotel room's peephole. Additionally, Stephen Paddock set up a camera inside of the room filming himself and possibly streaming it.

The Las Vegas gunman responsible for shooting over 550 people reportedly filmed himself during the rampage, according to multiple reports.

The latest revelation into shooter Stephen Paddock on Tuesday is that he had cameras set up in the hallway to know when police were closing in on his position but also reportedly had a device recording him in his hotel room as he fired upon thousands of concertgoers.

“Las Vegas madman Stephen Paddock set up a camera inside his hotel room to capture his deadly shooting rampage — and other surveillance in the hallway to alert him as cops closed in on him,” the New York Post reported.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said Tuesday that the FBI is reviewing all the footage recovered from the crime scene.

In the weeks prior to the shooting, Stephen Paddock wired $100,000 to the Philippines, Australia and possibly the Middle-East. He also recently visited Dubai according to certain reports, as did Marilou Danley.

First called a person of interest, then unrelated to the shooting, now she is back on the FBI's shitlist and still in the Philippines. There are reports she might be on her way back to answer questions but there is no certainty either way right now.

Leaked pictures have shown he left a note behind, but we still do not know what was written on it

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And in case you didn't think he was already enough of a monster, turns out he used to work for the IRS

The Charlotte Observer reports:

The Las Vegas gunman who killed nearly 60 people at a country music festival worked as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, an IRS agent and in an auditing department over a 10-year period.

A spokeswoman for the Office of Personnel Management told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Stephen Paddock's employment included about two years as a mail carrier from 1976 to 1978.

After that, he worked as an agent for the Internal Revenue Service for six years until 1984. And then he worked a defense auditing job for about 18 months.

Paddock also previously worked as a defense contractor sometime during the late 80s, and graduated college from Cal State Northridge in 1977.



The next Hitler is probably a DMV employee
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-survivor-faces-backlash-171850988.html

Las Vegas survivor faces backlash after standing to greet President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump

Thomas Gunderson shot in the leg during the Las Vegas massacre on Sunday found the strength to stand for President Trump when he visited recovering victims in the hospital earlier this week.

The president and first lady Melania Trump visited Gunderson, who was among the more than 500 people wounded at the Route 91 Harvest Festival last weekend, at the city’s University Medical Center on Wednesday, where they posed for photographs and chatted.

The 28-year-old from Newport Beach, California, took to Facebook shortly after to post a video of the encounter which later went viral, writing: “I will never lie down when the President of this great country comes to shake my hand!

“There may be plenty of issues in this country but I will always respect my country, my president, and my flag. Shot in the leg or not, I will stand to show my president the respect he deserves!”


Since then, Gunderson has received an overwhelming amount of positive responses and well wishes. But the survivor has also received a lot of negative reactions from Facebook users who were critical of his choice to stand for the president.

"Should have saved his energy. Hopefully, he's able to heal fast and return home before that 'great president' makes it impossible for nearly everyone to have healthcare," one user wrote, while another simply posted: "Oh don't turn your back to him phew!!!"

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Some even saw Gunderson's choice to stand as a political statement after NFL players across the league chose to kneel during the national anthem to protest racial injustice.

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Gunderson responded to critics in a separate post later this week, in which he said he prepared his family beforehand for the "backlash and hateful comments" he expected after the viral video and called out commenters he claimed wanted to "cause divide."
D-Do the people that are upset not remember where he got shot?
 
Gunderson responded to critics in a separate post later this week, in which he said he prepared his family beforehand for the "backlash and hateful comments" he expected after the viral video and called out commenters he claimed wanted to "cause divide."

Fuck these subhumans. I hope they all get shot in the leg themselves.
 
It seems the note left behind wasn't a suicide note.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Official-Note-in-room-aided-shooting-precision-449932413.html

LAS VEGAS (AP) - The Latest on the mass shooting in Las Vegas (all times local):

5 p.m.

A law enforcement official says investigators believe a note found in the Las Vegas shooter's hotel room contained a series of numbers that helped him calculate more precise shots.

The official says Saturday that the numbers found on a note on a nightstand included the distance between the high-rise hotel room that Stephen Paddock was using as a perch and the concert the victims were attending.

The official wasn't authorized to discuss the details of the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Investigators are still trying to determine why Paddock committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

He killed 58 people and wounded hundreds of others last Sunday before taking his own life.

- By Associated Press writer Michael Balsamo
 
It seems the note left behind wasn't a suicide note.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Official-Note-in-room-aided-shooting-precision-449932413.html

LAS VEGAS (AP) - The Latest on the mass shooting in Las Vegas (all times local):

5 p.m.

A law enforcement official says investigators believe a note found in the Las Vegas shooter's hotel room contained a series of numbers that helped him calculate more precise shots.

The official says Saturday that the numbers found on a note on a nightstand included the distance between the high-rise hotel room that Stephen Paddock was using as a perch and the concert the victims were attending.

He was a fucking accountant. I assume he was familiar with math.

If you were going to be doing some shooting from a height, why wouldn't you do a little bit of trigonometry and other physics shit to maximize the results of your insane act?
 
If you were going to be doing some shooting from a height

More important is the distance, though I believe height is also factor. You can account for bullet drop in inches at X range.

It would make more sense, since this is premeditated, simply to zero your optic (which I believe he was using) at 400 yards or whatever distance he would be at on the 32nd floor. That way your bullets would impact at the point of aim.
 
I haven't followed this whole thing very closely so apologies for asking something that may have already been covered.

Is there any word on what other weapons he actually used aside from bump equipped AR's? I've never used a bump-stock, but the additional movement should make most magnifying optics impractical to use. They're not great for rapid fire anyway. Someone said there where photos of CQC optics, but I didn't catch them. Anybody have first-hand experience with optics/bump-firing?

It doesn't make sense to me to work up dope at ~400m on an area target. It's not much drop to start with, and firing at a downward angle reduces the holdover necessary.
 
He was a fucking accountant. I assume he was familiar with math.

If you were going to be doing some shooting from a height, why wouldn't you do a little bit of trigonometry and other physics shit to maximize the results of your insane act?
Are we going to ban math before or after bump stocks? Not only is it sexist, but now it kills people.
 
Is there any word on what other weapons he actually used aside from bump equipped AR's?
a couple pistols, mostly AR-15's, some are from the ban-era, others are much newer, none of them especially significant (for a rich guy anyway) other than the DD, which is a bit pricey. no transferable, no SBR, no especially rare or collectible ones. just ones you could get on sale at walmart, or buy from a store that stocks specific manufacturers.

I've never used a bump-stock, but the additional movement should make most magnifying optics impractical to use. They're not great for rapid fire anyway.
magnifying optics are perfectly usable with sustained automatic fire provided you have had training, are practiced, and the ocular lens is large enough to account for rapid changes in eye relief. likewise the magnification should be fairly low. from appearances, it seems he had some typical 3-9 scopes, which can be used for such shooting.

a bump stock is inconsistent or nonfunctional if you do not practice - bump firing relies on the consistent application of slight forward movement to pull the firearm against the recoil just enough to consistently cause the trigger to actuate from a fixed lever (finger, stick, et c). for some people, this can be difficult, but it is easily accomplished with some practice and can be fairly accurate at reasonable engagement distances (out to 100 meters or so). past that it starts being too unpredictable for point targets as fatigue sets in quickly.

Someone said there where photos of CQC optics, but I didn't catch them. Anybody have first-hand experience with optics/bump-firing?
CQB, not CQC. CQC is a general concept for the same thing (mostly) that grew out of people not knowing there's been a term for it since the 1940's. CQB is close quarters battle, and is a military term used for the whole battle that also comprises SUIT (small unit infantry tactics) and MOUT (military operations on urbanized terrain). he had at least one L3 EOtech holographic weapon sight, and most other rifles had some mediocre sporting optic, probably Nikon, Monarch, Bushnell, Leupold, or whatever.

basically, his "arsenal" was what you could find posted online in a bragging thread of a nine-to-fiver that buys what's fashionable and affordable every year.
 
magnifying optics are perfectly usable with sustained automatic fire provided you have had training, are practiced, and the ocular lens is large enough to account for rapid changes in eye relief. likewise the magnification should be fairly low. from appearances, it seems he had some typical 3-9 scopes, which can be used for such shooting.

My experience with 60's, 249's, and 240's was that it takes more than a fam-fire to engage even a small area target effectively with an MG. And those have mass. Bump firing will prevent you from taking an ideal grip for rapid fire. EOTecs are fine for that, but I'd think even a 3x optic (unless it had long eye-relief like an ACOG) would do as much harm as good.

I guess what I'm getting at is, he probably didn't do himself any favors trying to fake a machine-gun.
 
My experience with 60's, 249's, and 240's was that it takes more than a fam-fire to engage even a small area target effectively with an MG. And those have mass. Bump firing will prevent you from taking an ideal grip for rapid fire. EOTecs are fine for that, but I'd think even a 3x optic (unless it had long eye-relief like an ACOG) would do as much harm as good.

I guess what I'm getting at is, he probably didn't do himself any favors trying to fake a machine-gun.
likewise, my experience with the M60, M240B, M249, and a few others (PKM, PKP, RPD, MG42, MG34, HK21E, et c) is entirely in agreement. however i've been bump firing for decades for funsies, and for a light rifle like an M4 variation, it's possible (with practice) to use a low power optic and a bump stick or bump stock and maintain control of the weapon suitable for engaging area targets. with a belt loop or using a loose "pulling" grip, i do agree with your though, or him to be more effective with rifle fire he would have been better off doing a conversion and counting "DMFD".

likewise i'm still weirded out why he brought so many weapons. i can see having an alternate in case of failure or dumping one in a bathtub of cold water to cool it down and grabbing another to maintain volume of fire, but last i read he had over a dozen.
 
Some notes: he rented his rooms through Air BNB, not "The Ogden" (who I assume are building owners). He rented an Air BNB from someone who owned the rooms.

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Within 13 minutes, they know the suspect's room number.

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It took them 1 hour 2 minutes, from receiving the report of exactly the room number the suspect was in, to breaching the room. They had police officers on the same floor 12 minutes after the shooting started.

He had 50 pounds of Tannerite in his car. They have clarified that this was the ammonium nitrate in his car.

Remember this timeline reported DIRECTLY from the Sheriff's department? This is information direct from the sheriff department's own press conference.

Now they're saying the security guard was shot even before the mass shooting happened.

How do they fuck up the timeline this bad? What the hell is going on with the investigation to get the information THAT wrong?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/latest-las-vegas-mass-shooting/story?id=50367905
 
Thoughts on the M240 "theory" vids?
very unlikely:

1. the M240, or FN MAG58 is around $60,000 each for a transferable one. there are about 30 or 40 in the US. the M240 (in various configurations) has about the same numbers but commands a slight premium.
2. the rate of fire is varies with the ammunition and total mass of the firearm because bump firing requires a reciprocal action to pull the gun forward to pulse the trigger. a surefire 100 round magazine is fairly heavy, about 3lbs by itself. combined with a typical sporter configuration AR-15 you're looking at 10-14lbs. for someone who is sluggish at pulling forward or applying only light pressure to just actuate the trigger, you're going to have a lower rate of fire.
3. if you watch further into the video, his second string of fire is wildly inconsistent in both rate and report, suggesting mixed ammunition or multiple guns firing at alternating rates or some strange echo effect because of the height, distance, and configuration of the buildings.
4. photos of the interior of the rooms shown has not revealed any 7.62mm NATO ammunition, links, or similar evidence of a GPMG.
5. a stable firing platform with a GPMG with someone reasonably experienced with it (i would assume someone dropping $60k on a gun would shoot it often enough) would have likely had a much higher death toll than what occurred.
6. if the shooter had an AKM of some description, it would be both more likely, and more reasonable for many many reasons. speaking strictly on rate of fire, an AKM has enough of a clunky action to have a similar rate of fire not to mention be awkward enough to handle during bump firing it would explain some inconsistencies in the actual shooting during different strings of fire. i do not know if the shooter had an AKM variant though

last and most importantly:
7. the bump stock (slide fire brand) equipped weapon was a DD AR-15 seemingly with no modifications other than the bump stock and the addition of an EOTech Holographic Weapon Sight. the muzzle brake on the end of the barrel would tame recoil and slow things down on top of making it quite a bit louder than a typical AR-15. this would explain the booming report and the slower rate of fire very adequately.
 
likewise i'm still weirded out why he brought so many weapons. i can see having an alternate in case of failure or dumping one in a bathtub of cold water to cool it down and grabbing another to maintain volume of fire, but last i read he had over a dozen.

I think he intended to abandon some part of the arsenal and go on a mobile rampage out of the room, but didn't get to that part of the plan. A stretch goal, as it were.
 
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