Valve introduces Steam Deck

I attest that some games can have emulation problems much later into playtime than the first 30mins-1hour that benchmark videos on Youtube will usually cover.
I've been playing Super Robot Wars Z2 (a turn-based strategy game and massive nippon mecha crossover) on my phone lately through PPSSPP and it has shown a couple of issues after 10-20 hours of gameplay, such as black squares popping up when attack animations hit an enemy's D-shield, a text cutscene not properly rendered, and emulator crashing if I allow to display attack animations for the dimensional rhinoceros monster (when its charge connects my unit specifically) and the big bad guy Gaioh. On my desktop computer, those problems do not arise however.

I'd be cautious to praise Switch emulators for the moment, mainly depending of what you want to run. Both of them failed to run anything I wanted to test/play in 2020 and 2021 (the arcade rhythm game Taiko Tatsujin with its screeching sounds for example). Better to keep expectations in moderation imo.
Switch would just be a bonus tbh. As long as it can play DC/PS2/NGC games well then I'll be satisfied. Maybe one day PS3/Switch will be doable on it after optimization, but it's not necessary.

Anyone know how user friendly those emulators are? I've never emulated anything that "recent". I like the simplicity of just picking a SNES game and playing.
 
I could be wrong on this, but I generally don't think modern emulators target specific platforms, so it's mostly down to that modified frequency-curve AMD x86_64 chip they have in the Steam Deck on how emulators will do(same as any other AMD chip, is what I'm saying). The only exception I could see is for stuff like the UI and control mapping to the built-in stick and buttons, instead of plugging a (USB-C?) keyboard and mouse in. Come to think of it, how do they control the Linux desktop, if they escape SteamOS' UI? Has any reviewer explained that yet, or is it ostensibly covered by the embargo? I remember reading about how you could escape it using the calculator on Steam Link, but that was years ago, and a very different situation.
Most emu devs can probably get away with just leaving it alone but I'm sure the APU will do some wacky shit and will need to be worked around. For example, Yuzu devs told people not to upgrade their Nvidia video drivers for a while since some important feature got screwed up.

As for desktop, the device uses the KDE Plasma desktop underneath what is basically Big Picture 2.0. I personally love KDE, but Linux falls apart at my touch, so fuck me. I assume the button with the 3 dots let's you out of the steam stuff.
Anyone know how user friendly those emulators are? I've never emulated anything that "recent". I like the simplicity of just picking a SNES game and playing.
If you've ever had to get BIOS files then you're great. Switch emulators need the title.keys or switch firmware, depending on the emu.
 
People saying "just get a pc" or "just get a laptop" are either retarded or are deliberately ignoring the use case for such a product.

You can get better specs with either a PC or a laptop. But I want a companion device I use on the shitter, chuck in my bag, and then use on the bus to work. It's not going to be as good as being on my PC, but it's a companion device.

Good luck trying to play something like GG Strive on the bus with a laptop.
True story tho I once played MAME emulated Street Fighter 3 Third Strike on a laptop and game pad while taking a long domestic flight back in 2009.

Got some weird looks but it was pretty dope.
 
Switch would just be a bonus tbh. As long as it can play DC/PS2/NGC games well then I'll be satisfied. Maybe one day PS3/Switch will be doable on it after optimization, but it's not necessary.

Anyone know how user friendly those emulators are? I've never emulated anything that "recent". I like the simplicity of just picking a SNES game and playing.
Some emulators, like the Playstation console systems, will require the regional bios files in order to properly function but you can find them easily in the emulation general wiki
They're generally user-friendly enough although the biggest hurdle remains PS2 emulation, which I always use software mode and default graphic settings to avoid any problems, but some games may require specific settings to be enabled or disabled.

RPCS3 is probably still at an experimental stage but I do remember I've played a full playthrough of Yakuza Dead Souls in 2020 on my desktop PC (with two emulator crashes in total but overall a well improved framerate than when I've played the game on PS3). It might murder the battery of the Steam Deck on the other hand.
 
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Come to think of it, how do they control the Linux desktop, if they escape SteamOS' UI? Has any reviewer explained that yet, or is it ostensibly covered by the embargo?
I haven't heard anything either. I've been assuming they'll use Steam Controller controls, like, right touch pad = mouse; left control stick click = show on-screen keyboard, etc. The Steam Controller has that rudimentary desktop functionality if you use it without Steam running.

I remember reading about how you could escape it using the calculator on Steam Link, but that was years ago, and a very different situation.
Yup, though nowadays you can just close out Big Picture from the power menu and use the Steam Link as a remote desktop.
 
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The only exception I could see is for stuff like the UI and control mapping to the built-in stick and buttons, instead of plugging a (USB-C?) keyboard and mouse in. Come to think of it, how do they control the Linux desktop, if they escape SteamOS' UI? Has any reviewer explained that yet, or is it ostensibly covered by the embargo? I remember reading about how you could escape it using the calculator on Steam Link, but that was years ago, and a very different situation.
that's exactly what the touchpad is for.
as for escaping, pretty sure the option to add non-steam stuff is still there (although it's been ages since I tried steam on linux), so theoretically all you need to do is add a link to the emulator in steam, then you'll probably get even steam input support (if it works like windows and not natively). should work with the native version and a windows version, although running an emulator through proton could lead to some interesting issues.
 
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GPD: Steam Deck is WORSE than WIN 3, it is a Closed Platform, and besides, you'll need Windows to play Pirated Games

Today we are talking about the recently hyped Steam deck! Because many players are interested in this product, however, more rational players have different views on it of course. I will analyze this product from the configuration perspective and Gabe's existing resources.

First of all, let's take a look at the detailed comparison table of WIN 3, WIN Max 2021 and Steam deck.

As you can see above, the Steam Deck is using a custom APU, the CPU part is still ZEN2 architecture, there is nothing outstanding. What is the level of Steam Deck's CPU? If we have to compare it with AMD's product, it's the AMD Ryzen 3 5300U. The 5300U is ZEN2 architecture, 4C/8T design, base frequency/routing frequency is 2.6GHz/3.8GHz respectively. Steam Deck is also ZEN2 architecture, 4C/8T design, base frequency/routing frequency is 2.4GHz/3.5GHz respectively. 5300U is obviously slightly higher than the latter. This does not take into account the full-core frequency, but we can roughly estimate between 3.0~3.2GHz. What is the level of 5300U? It's just a little bit better than the Ryzen 4500U, so the Steam Deck's custom APU is even worse than the 5300U, it is obviously not much better, with a single-core Raid of 3.5GHz, which is lower than both the 1165G7's 4.7GHz and the 1195G7's 5.0GHz.

What is the level of Steam Deck's GPU? Both the 1165G7 and 1195G7 are Iris Xe cores with 96EU/768 stream processors and 1.6TFlops of single-precision floating-point computing power. The number of stream processors is the same as that of the previous generation Vega 8 core, and Steam's officially announced single-precision floating-point computing capability for the core is 1.6TFlops. Although RDNA 2 is a new architecture, the floating-point capability has not improved much, if it is Vega 8, the single-precision floating-point operation is about 1.2~1.4TFlops, and the RDNA 2 is only improved to 1.6TFlops. tied with the Iris Xe 96 EU.

If you rank the single-core, multi-core, and core performance, where does Steam Deck's custom APU stand? The CPU rank has already been mentioned. Considering that the RDNA 2 has far fewer stream processors than the Xe 96EU, the improvement is partly based on the speed increase from the shared DDR5 memory for graphics and partly based on the architecture update. But overall, I still believe that the RDNA 2 core is weaker than the Xe 96EU core, after all, 512 stream processors to beat 768 stream processors, unless AMD has the magic skill to defy the laws of physics. Besides, the conclusion of the Xe 96EU test is no secret, 1.6TFlops is a conservative figure, RDNA 2 is really just Gabe's own words without evidence.

Steam Deck may disappoint Gabe/Valve's fans!

From its low efficiency in rendering games and its announced 15W TDP power consumption limit, I can clearly say that the overall performance of Steam Deck is not the level of GPD WIN 3. But if the Steam Deck supports Windows 10, with 15W power consumption, it may beat WIN 3 with 15W, after all, supporting LPDDR5 and quad-channel is an advantage. So we've basically come to the conclusion that the Steam Deck's custom APU is the equivalent of AMD's Ryzen 3 5300U + Iris Xe 96 EU core. Considering that the CPU part is far weaker than the 1165G7 and 1195G7. The overall performance of Steam Deck is still not as good as WIN 3 and WIN Max 2021.

What can the Steam OS do? Many people see that Steam Deck is integrated with Steam OS out-of-the-box and say that they don't need to configure anything. Steam OS is a simple version of Debian 8, a Linux distribution. If you know Steam OS well, you should know that Steam Deck is basically a download interface for the Steam platform. The entire interface is working for game downloads, and that's it. You say it's also a PC, but sorry, you can't do anything other than play games. For example, if you want to install a LibreOffice for office work, you should be able to install it in theory, after all, it is based on Linux 4.2 kernel, but no one knows how it works without a desktop, and whether it can switch to other application interfaces.

Let's list some weaknesses of Steam Deck that everyone recognizes 1. 30 cm length, large size, far from the definition of handheld. 7-inch screen Steam deck than the 8-inch screen WIN Max 2021 is a full 1/3 larger. 2. small battery capacity, only 40Wh, while the battery capacity of WIN 3 is 46Wh, WIN Max 2021's battery capacity is 57Wh. 3. does not support Thunderbolt 4, a single application scenario can only play games. 4. There are too many uncertainties, such as whether there is corresponding driver support after installing Windows 10. For example, whether the 2230 SSD can be replaced (Steam official said not suitable for replacement), what are the compatibilities?

Don't kid yourself! The only reason Gabe created this product is to make a closed system, not to let you install Windows to play pirated games!

Steam Deck has support in its platform, there are 1 billion registered users, Gabe's purpose is to create a closed system, just like the Nintendo Switch, their ultimate goal is to attract game companies to develop exclusive games for their handhelds, as long as there is a large enough user base, there definitely will be exclusive games. And with exclusive games, you can compete with the Switch. It also avoids the disadvantage of being a single download platform to compete with Epic and so on.

Therefore, although Gabe had verbally said to support Windows (I can't find the source), it makes some people think that Gabe's goal is ambitious. I think you're too naive, you do not understand the logic of capitalists. Think about it, losing money to sell Windows 10-compatible hardware for players to play pirated games, what does he want, just want to make you laugh? No capitalist will lose money to make money.

In the end, whether it's called the Steam Deck or Steam Deck XX, it's a closed system (capitalist will reveal its hideous face when there are enough users) and the hardware will prevent you from installing any third-party systems. You can only buy games from the Steam platform.

Will Epic also build its own handhelds? Epic will definitely launch its own handheld sooner or later to create its own closed platform. So, the future pattern is that the game download platform still has Windows support, but the exclusives will first release on their own platform, and then release the Windows version much later.

Besides, if you want to play pirated games, you still have to go back to Windows.
 
Man, what's with all the Steam Deck Derangement Syndrome? One of the first things Valve ever said about the Steam Deck was that it's functionally a PC, and you can install Windows.

I googled "Win Max 2021", which already sounds like some kind of super dodgy antivirus software, and apparently it's some crowdfunded small gaming laptop, with an Indiegogo page (Archive: https://archive.md/Wfq9F) that's fittingly as dodgy as the name. Even the top image they used looks chintzy as hell:
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it's also advertised as being sold in Hong Kong Dollars (lol), which converts to $1,122 USD.

Also, lol:
Therefore, although Gabe had verbally said to support Windows (I can't find the source), it makes some people think that Gabe's goal is ambitious. I think you're too naive, you do not understand the logic of capitalists. Think about it, losing money to sell Windows 10-compatible hardware for players to play pirated games, what does he want, just want to make you laugh? No capitalist will lose money to make money.

In the end, whether it's called the Steam Deck or Steam Deck XX, it's a closed system (capitalist will reveal its hideous face when there are enough users) and the hardware will prevent you from installing any third-party systems. You can only buy games from the Steam platform.

So his logic is:
  • Gaben's a capitalist
  • therefore the Steam Deck must be a closed platform, with hardware measures to prevent sideloading Windows, or any games from outside of Steam
  • entirely because Gaben is a capitalist
  • and the Hong Kong guys behind this Win Max 2021 thing somehow aren't, even though they're selling their machine for over a grand
Sounds like that sperg subscribes to the "Everyone I don't like is a capitalist" concept without even knowing what capitalism is, and now he's having trouble coping with how he bought a dodgy chinkshit laptop that's over three times the price of the cheapest Steam Deck.
 
Sounds like that sperg subscribes to the "Everyone I don't like is a capitalist" concept without even knowing what capitalism is, and now he's having trouble coping with how he bought a dodgy chinkshit laptop that's over three times the price of the cheapest Steam Deck.
>reddit
all you need to know.

it's even worse than /v/ discussing hardware...
 
Oh boy, am I excited for another Skyrim specifically fine-tuned (warning: may be the same fucking thing with a few tweaks) for the brand new number-crunching deck!
 
What a weird unhinged rant, I can understand trying to talk shit about the competition and big up your own product but that was a bit weird.

Also, as much of a fag as Linus is he was right in his video the other day. The deck has no competition really. All the other handheld systems like the GPD or Aya are twice the price at least. They might be slightly more powerful but any sane consumer will just look at the price comparison and go "well fuck that, I'm getting a steam deck".
 
Not anymore, it's an ArchLinux derivate now. But it's true that you'll need Windows to play most bootleg Windows games.
unless it uses some form of drm/anitcheat or is some AAA product that requires more performance most games should run just fine, unless it does some really exotic stuff. plus rating isn't everything, CS:GO has a native port, but who would want to play cs on a steam deck?

Small confusion:

This post was made by GPD, one of the big portable PC makers, which was posted on a chinese site archived above. I only got the translation from reddit.
true, but I also meant stuff like this:
Update: Some people are interested in the reactions from the Chinese Internet users, I've translated a few comments and the respective like counts (it doesn't have a dislike button, unfortunately) under the original post

TLDR: I'd say most people feel their statement stupidly hilarious, some feel shameful that GPD would publicly advertise pirating as a positive thing, just like everyone here on Reddit. You can find a few comments made obviously by trolls or the GPD team themselves, and most other comments are made by normal human beings.

it's one thing to present it as is to laugh about, but reddit gotta reddit.
 
Man, what's with all the Steam Deck Derangement Syndrome? One of the first things Valve ever said about the Steam Deck was that it's functionally a PC, and you can install Windows.

I googled "Win Max 2021", which already sounds like some kind of super dodgy antivirus software, and apparently it's some crowdfunded small gaming laptop, with an Indiegogo page (Archive: https://archive.md/Wfq9F) that's fittingly as dodgy as the name. Even the top image they used looks chintzy as hell:
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it's also advertised as being sold in Hong Kong Dollars (lol), which converts to $1,122 USD.

Also, lol:


So his logic is:
  • Gaben's a capitalist
  • therefore the Steam Deck must be a closed platform, with hardware measures to prevent sideloading Windows, or any games from outside of Steam
  • entirely because Gaben is a capitalist
  • and the Hong Kong guys behind this Win Max 2021 thing somehow aren't, even though they're selling their machine for over a grand
Sounds like that sperg subscribes to the "Everyone I don't like is a capitalist" concept without even knowing what capitalism is, and now he's having trouble coping with how he bought a dodgy chinkshit laptop that's over three times the price of the cheapest Steam Deck.
I can't remember which model , but there was a batch of GPDWins with a pre-installed trojan. I know someone who got one, first thing we did was check for it, and it was present.
 
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