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Are videogames for children?


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I'm getting real sick and tired of people DDOSing the Left 4 Dead 2 servers. It's been going on for months now, so every time my friends and I boot up the game, we get about 2-3 minutes of normal gameplay in before we have to boot back to the lobby because some shit-head is crapping out the servers to have infinite ping. This means my friends and I have to play 3rd Party Server Roulette, where we'll either get a normal server that plays vanilla Left 4 Dead 2, or get thrown into some retard's gimmick server where they add a bunch of shit no-one asked for.
theres really niggers ddosing steam's game servers? i haven't played left for dead in ages ever since they dropped that nothingburger of a community update but i usually would stick to campaign modes with friends instead of playing on any servers even official ones because i believe its too much a hassle as opposed to just playing a campaign with friends (or most often by myself)
death to those stains on humanity that choose to ddos left 4 dead of all things
 
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theres really niggers ddosing steam's game servers?
Sure are. There's even a stickied thread in the Discussions section that's been up since January, with plenty of user-made threads discussing the situation as well. My friends and I played it a few days ago, so I can confirm personally that this is still an issue as of this writing.

Imagine having so much lag that casting a Return to Lobby vote takes like ten-fifteen seconds to show up. That's how bad it is right now.
 
Finished Like a Dragon Gaiden and enjoyed a smaller entry in the series even if the ending was kind of meh and I've hopped into Infinite Wealth. It's been a while since I played Yakuza 7 so I'm being reminded how much more.. silly the new cast is and I'm not sure it's gelling with me. I love them as like the cast of a sitcom, but for me the appeal of the franchise was always the seriousness of the main story mixed with the absurdity of the side content. With the Ichiban games it feels like they threw out 95% of the serious side of things and made it all goofy all the time.
 
MS controllers suck ass, the DualSense is the best controller available right now. Sony published PC drivers for it years ago, so you don't have to install a third party application like with the DualShock 3 and 4

Steam supports both anyway even for non-steam games.

The big issues I have with xbox controls is they STILL use convex face buttons instead of flat or concave ones, the joysticks are still misaligned and the dpad isnt a dpad its a flat joystick, theres no axial locking.
 
third party application like with the DualShock 3 and 4
I bought a dualshock 4 controller a few years ago to use as a pc controller for emulators and certain games. I used ds4windows to set it up because I’m not the most tech savvy and had used something similar for my old ds3 before it broke. About a year ago I got a weird gay furry pony pop up called Nefarius Legacinator, thought it was a virus at the time but it turns out that the devs had a falling out over trademarks and one of them was a brony trying to shill his offshoot.

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I bought a dualshock 4 controller a few years ago to use as a pc controller for emulators and certain games. I used ds4windows to set it up because I’m not the most tech savvy and had used something similar for my old ds3 before it broke. About a year ago I got a weird gay furry pony pop up called Nefarius Legacinator, thought it was a virus at the time but it turns out that the devs had a falling out over trademarks and one of them was a brony trying to shill his offshoot.

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lmao what the fuck?

back in Ye Oldene Dayes I used the SCP driver kit to link my DualShock 3 after my 360 controller ate shit... a quick Googling reveals that it got taken over by said gay brony (Nefarius) at some point

why are nerds like this

EDIT: lol his Patreon has a picture of his face

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Do you like infinite hordes, instant-respawning special infected, Tanks you can't set on fire, Tanks that are invincible, Tanks that throw Jockeys, Tanks that can teleport, Tanks that damage you from across the map, being bumped up to Expert Realism, and if you change the difficulty from it, we'll spawn 20 Tanks on top of you and call you a coward? No? Well too bad, because some asshole is fucking up the official servers, so this is all you got, shitwipe.
Chinese L4D2 servers are the most notorious for this kind of plugin-laden shit. They also create plugins that create a balancing nightmare for some weapons like 1-shot deagles and no reloading rifles. The Chinks are also known for creating some of the shittiest maps on the workshop, not Glubtastic-shitpost levels where its all a meme, rather it is a cascade of map design shit (like mazes, lack of good positions to hold, etc). Case in point:

Death to the DDoS fag and death to Chinks for ruining this once fine game.
 
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You know all those super fancy 3rd party controllers that put Hall effect sticks in them, boasting how they are "forever gamepads"? 8BitDo Ultimate, everything that GuilKit releases?

Now, tell me, besides those pesky analog sticks, what's the first thing that goes in a device like this? Well obviously the battery, right? Enough vidya seshes and that lithium ion battery will give up and won't hold any charge.
I never understood any of this. Ever since the switch joycon drift issue, it's completely baffled me.

I have Gamecube controllers. I look after them, but was never autistic about it. They have been thrown into bags to go to a friends house to play Mario Kart or Smash or whatever. Those controllers are (last I checked) still going strong. My PS3 controllers are still working as of a couple of months ago. My Xbone controller I got for my PC still works, and I'm slowly wearing out the rubber on the left stick.

But now it seems like controllers with sticks that break after 3 months is the norm. How did this become a major problem? Tech is supposed to get better over time, and there was nothing wrong with the sticks back then. We shouldn't need module controllers. They should just work like they used to.
 
One thing that was on my mind today was the paradox of good game mechanics and marrying them to a good game, or even if just because something is interesting doesn't actually make it fun.

The idea came at a department store. In every video game department store, even if you need to explore all six floors, you don't go to the store floor itself, you talk to the clerk and they present with you with a list. What if there was a game that let you pick out what you wanted and pay for it? (I guess the Game Boy Zelda games let you do that, but they only have three items).

The problem is twofold: introducing good mechanics into a good game (sometimes good mechanics get lost in a bad game), and introducing interesting mechanics that aren't actually fun. This is what I suspect happened with Shenmue on a grand scale. Making a weather system based after Yokosuka in 1986 is really interesting, but it doesn't make a game better.
 
But now it seems like controllers with sticks that break after 3 months is the norm. How did this become a major problem? Tech is supposed to get better over time, and there was nothing wrong with the sticks back then. We shouldn't need module controllers. They should just work like they used to.
Simple, money over loyalty, because loyalty erodes far slower than income. If the sticks break, fanboys will gladly by a new joystick or even controller, hell they'll buy several. Or they'll send it in for repairs, but if you send it to a third party it voids the warranty! Longevity is pro-consumer, and pro-consumer is anti-profit to these people.
 
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Finished Unicorn Overlord and it was fantastic. About 90 hours to do everything except the bonus arena stuff after becoming champion and it was all very fun. Can't suggest playing it enough, even if you have to emulate it.
 
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I had a bad culture shock moment with my static in FFXIV. they're almost all zoomers, I love em to pieces, they're cool kids and not at all the Fortnite/TikTok-poisoned stereotype. they're certainly a lot more fun than the average millennial catgirl coomer. but for most of them, XIV was their first FF game ever, and most of them started in Endwalker even. I'm the only oldfag in the group so all the time I'm explaining the history of parts of the game and all that. today we were fucking around with mount roulette while we were waiting for the raid to start, and when Ixion popped out of my ass, they didn't recognize it, and in a knee-jerk moment of reaction I said "what, you guys never played FFX?"

uh, nope, most of them have literally never played any other FF game ever. I forget what that means. I forget that FFX is over 20 years old now because my memories of it are permanently trapped in the amber of the early 2000s, when gaming was more of a monoculture, and just about everyone played that shit except for the nerds who were too cool for JRPGs. it was on the cover of every gaming magazine, it was on the front page of every gaming site. it was one of the defining titles of the PS2, one of the most popular and beloved home consoles of any console era. it won awards everywhere back when that was more meaningful and gaming awards weren't just the biggest publishers jerking themselves off. people talked about that shit for a decade afterwards and the overwhelmingly common take was that it was the pinnacle of the entire Final Fantasy franchise, which itself was one of the dominant franchises of several gaming eras. I was trying to explain all this to them when one of them said "dude I was born in 2001" and I fucking crumbled into dust.

this game that was one of the most powerfully defining works of its era, something that defined early gaming memories for millions of people, one of my foundational gaming experiences which often drifts into the back of my mind, has essentially been completely swallowed by time passing outside of my aging spergbrain. my attempts at trying to communicate just how impactful that game was to so many people, and to me personally as a gamer and FF fan, just came off as gay and cringe. I know our life experiences are separated by a nontrivial number of years, but it hasn't been that long, has it? it's not like I'm trying to explain computers to a medieval peasant; we're kindred gaming spirits, surely I'm not speaking an alien language, right? but I might as well have just been ripping huge wet farts into my microphone for all it mattered. it's not that they were being assholes about it - they're very kind and receptive - it's that the number of people who are capable of vibing with my particular configuration of gay gaming autism shrinks every year and is rapidly dwindling into nothingness. my model is out of manufacture. my serial number is out of print. the changing of the times has consigned me to the cultural junk heap before I even knew it was happening.

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Zoomers have so much time in the world, yet they will never dedicate a portion of it in trying older games beyond what is popular. They will dedicate grinding hours on battlepasses on always-online games like Genshin and Valorant, yet they will never or flatout refuse to touch older games, like the older FF games, or even older games like old Doom and Wolfenstein. They have no respect for me and should be bullied till the end of time itself.
 
The problem is twofold: introducing good mechanics into a good game (sometimes good mechanics get lost in a bad game), and introducing interesting mechanics that aren't actually fun. This is what I suspect happened with Shenmue on a grand scale. Making a weather system based after Yokosuka in 1986 is really interesting, but it doesn't make a game better.
Some mechanics are a lot of work for little gain. Your shop example is something that can easily be exploited, and requires a lot of work to make each item and have it be interactable, and implement the shop in such a way that it's not trivial to shoplift.

A lot of good game design is smoke and mirrors, and there's a disconnect between what people say they want and what's fun. FEAR is often cited for it's brilliant AI and how even modern AAA (now AAAA) games can't match it. The thing is, FEARs enemies are not that smart. They are smarter than most, yes, but a lot of their behaviour falls apart at the slightest prod. Like enemies running around a wall, just so they can dive through the window away from you. What makes them seem smart is they shout a lot. So an enemy might decide to run to a random spot behind the player. Dumb. But have the squad leader shout "try to flank him!" when it does this makes it seem super smart.

Another example is in the modern Doom games where enemies rarely attack from off screen unless it's high difficulty. This prevents players feeling cheated by being killed by an attack they didn't see. Better for gameplay, even if it's less "smart" or less "realistic".


As for Shenmue. I've not played Yakuza myself, but on paper it does a lot of what Shenmue tried to do. Martial arts combat in a real world setting recreated in autistic detail with lots of mini games.

Another mechanic I'd add is how Metropolis Street Racer had the real world time reflected in game. So if it was 3am in Japan in real life, your race in Tokyo would take place at night. I loved that feature, especially as you saw day turn to night each race if you played around dusk, but I never saw another game do that, and I don't think most people really noticed. I wonder if it would be possible to do that with weather data as well?


my attempts at trying to communicate just how impactful that game was to so many people, and to me personally as a gamer and FF fan, just came off as gay and cringe. I know our life experiences are separated by a nontrivial number of years, but it hasn't been that long, has it?
You're fighting an uphill battle in a number of ways. Look at how consoomer has become an insult, and quite rightly too. Yet back then, it wasn't a problem and was even a good thing. People being in awe at the Zelda "blades will bleed" trailer, and rumours of one guy bursting into tears of joy, sound cringe and gay today.

Zoomers have so much time in the world, yet they will never dedicate a portion of it in trying older games beyond what is popular. They will dedicate grinding hours on battlepasses on always-online games like Genshin and Valorant, yet they will never or flatout refuse to touch older games, like the older FF games, or even older games like old Doom and Wolfenstein. They have no respect for me and should be bullied till the end of time itself.
I clear must be living under a rock because I can't comprehend how the fuck people are flocking to all those shitty demakes and demasters.
You're both under a rock.

There was a bit of a kerfuffle/controversy recently about a study that found zoomers spent more than 60% of their gaming time on average on games a decade or more old.

As for the shitty remakes and remasters. Some people can't get past the bad graphics and nonstandard controls. A frustrating one for me is the claim that Resident Evil was always a comedy because those graphics, writing, and voice acting can't possibly be taken seriously. The only shitty remakes people flock to are the Resident Evil ones, and in those cases I'm considered the bad one for not wanting to play a cut down, censored version of the game.
 
lmao what the fuck?

back in Ye Oldene Dayes I used the SCP driver kit to link my DualShock 3 after my 360 controller ate shit... a quick Googling reveals that it got taken over by said gay brony (Nefarius) at some point

why are nerds like this

EDIT: lol his Patreon has a picture of his face

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This man is the embodiment of soy consumption
 
People being in awe at the Zelda "blades will bleed" trailer, and rumours of one guy bursting into tears of joy, sound cringe and gay today.
No one will remember that, not after the whole Eric Butts Star Wars thing. That was a meme for seemingly months, and what looked like some sort of herpes outbreak on his cheek.

A lot of good game design is smoke and mirrors, and there's a disconnect between what people say they want and what's fun. FEAR is often cited for it's brilliant AI and how even modern AAA (now AAAA) games can't match it. The thing is, FEARs enemies are not that smart. They are smarter than most, yes, but a lot of their behaviour falls apart at the slightest prod. Like enemies running around a wall, just so they can dive through the window away from you. What makes them seem smart is they shout a lot. So an enemy might decide to run to a random spot behind the player. Dumb. But have the squad leader shout "try to flank him!" when it does this makes it seem super smart.
I don't people know what "good AI" is when it comes to enemy behavior. Either we have the old way of doing things, which was relentlessly chasing you through just matching coordinates near you (this is how the Pac-Man ghosts worked) or just will follow you until they get distracted. What you end up happening is that once you disappear out of sight, most enemies don't bother ("Did you hear something? / Probably nothing") or stop trying. Even Hotline Miami, which I heard was "good AI", they'll quickly be alerted to the sound of gunfire, then just resume patrol near the area. They won't investigate how their colleagues are now bloody corpses, take the hint and follow the blood, or issue a red-alert and bum-rush the dude in the rubber mask that's murdering everyone in sight.

Another mechanic I'd add is how Metropolis Street Racer had the real world time reflected in game. So if it was 3am in Japan in real life, your race in Tokyo would take place at night. I loved that feature, especially as you saw day turn to night each race if you played around dusk, but I never saw another game do that, and I don't think most people really noticed. I wonder if it would be possible to do that with weather data as well?
Seems like most people would be playing at odd hours if playing in Japan anyway. Even the whole real-time clock aspect is often impractical. Of course, everyone remembers how memorable Pokémon Gold & Silver were, but in reality it's a gimmick, and at least one of my playthroughs I was mostly playing Pokémon Gold at night since I was a working adult. In that aspect I can understand why they didn't have night in Generation III.
 
I was trying to explain all this to them when one of them said "dude I was born in 2001" and I fucking crumbled into dust.
lol

Zoomers can burn in hell. Little bastards are (partly) the reason the industry continues to shaft the players so hard.
 
I was actually going on the Multimedia side on the site to see the discussion for the recently released Civil War movie that came out, and it somehow made me interested in this obscure game that looks more fun than the movie itself



I keep forgetting that the original XBOX used to put out some interesting RPG titles for their console. Sometimes they were interesting and other times they were just okay and no one talked about them as much, but they still look fun.
 
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I was actually going on the Multimedia side on the site to see the discussion for the recently released Civil War movie that came out, and it somehow made me interested in this obscure game that looks more fun than the movie itself



I keep forgetting that the original XBOX used to put out some interesting RPG titles for their console. Sometimes they were interesting and other times they were just okay and no one talked about them as much, but they still look fun.
Looked into this and it does look kinda cool. There are a few forgotten RPG/Strategy games on the OG Xbox and 360 that never showed up anywhere else and it's a damn shame. Is emulation for either of those consoles in a playable state? I've only ever messed with Nintendo/Playstation stuff before.
 
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