Villains that are better than the Hero.

[Nobunaga]

Solidus Snake did nothing wrong

He trusted a je....err i mean revolver ocelot, the man who has been betraying everything that moves due to his big dick lust

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

In author Louise Cooper's 'Time Master' trilogy the main character is considered by everyone else in the world to be a villain due to his connections with the Lords of Chaos.

In that trilogy, it's sequel 'Chaos Gate' trilogy, and it's prequel 'Star Shadow' trilogy the Lords of Order who are generally considered 'Benevolent & Good' are shown to be power-hungry, amoral buttholes who view humans as insects and the Lords of Chaos who are generally considered 'Malevolent & Dangerous' grant humans the freedom to rule themselves and they treat their loyal followers with respect.

As an aside, I'm so tired of stories with the Order/Restraint = Evil and Chaos/Freedom= Good false dichotomy. Show me a story where the Big Good goes "Yeah, I'll allow you the freedom to make your own decisions, but if you fuck up because you follow your own appetites instead of common sense or the rules I laid out for you, I'm not gonna save you."

 

[Get_your_kicks_with_30-06]

Caesar's Legion is objectively the lesser of two evils when compared to the NCR. And if you disagree, guess what? ✝

 

[Some Manajerk]

Caesar's Legion is objectively the lesser of two evils when compared to the NCR. And if you disagree, guess what? ✝

I've always made the argument that the Legion is a good force for ruling where they came from, a savage lawless hellhole full of raiders who understand nothing but force. Its a good way to forge such a territory into a civilization. The issue the legion has is its methods are far too extreme for a place like New Vegas, which is already civilized and most of thier raider problems come from bands fleeing NCR territory.

Of course, the NCR is just as bad for NV for a different reason altogether.

 

[Gunt Nut]

(If you kill him and choose to take New Vegas yourself)

He already had everything figured out. You would have done the same.

 

[The Cunting Death]

My nigga Nox from Wakfu

 

[StarkRavingMad]

House Lannister >>>>> House Stark

Before D&D made everybody an idiot at the end of the series, the Starks were the idiots of the series. I found it hard to root for them because of how dumb they were. lol.

Sure, the Lannisters were messed up in many ways, but I found them to be the much more compelling and entertaining characters.

 

[sasazuka]

Okay, it's not exactly a serious show so it's probably cheating to mention her, but Ramia, the "evil" candidate for Queen of Juraihelm in the Pretty Sammy/Magical Project S TV series (the alternate universe of the alternate universe Tenchi Muyo spin-off OVA series featuring Sasami as a Sailor Moon-type magical girl), is quite clearly the worthy candidate who has sensible ideas on how to run a society with a population in decline despite not having the most agreeable personality, while Tsunami, the "good" candidate for Queen of Juraihelm, is a total airhead who just wants to plant flowers.

Spoiler: Magical Project S ep 1; Relevant scene starts at 2:50

 

[Garm]

I've always made the argument that the Legion is a good force for ruling where they came from, a savage lawless hellhole full of raiders who understand nothing but force. Its a good way to forge such a territory into a civilization. The issue the legion has is its methods are far too extreme for a place like New Vegas, which is already civilized and most of thier raider problems come from bands fleeing NCR territory.

Of course, the NCR is just as bad for NV for a different reason altogether.

A good example was "The Pitt" dlc for fallout 3 which had a similar faction to the legion. Either you allow them to operate on slave labor (which they are running steel mills so there is some industry) or you destroy it and allow the system to break down and gang warfare erupts.

House Lannister >>>>> House Stark

Before D&D made everybody an idiot at the end of the series, the Starks were the idiots of the series. I found it hard to root for them because of how dumb they were. lol.

Sure, the Lannisters were messed up in many ways, but I found them to be the much more compelling and entertaining characters.

The Starks were too honorable for the setting. Their character development would be learning how to be outright bastards. The opposite of the heroes journey I suppose.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

Yeah, I wanted Bakura to win against Yugi and his friends. Especially in the manga.

 

[Arrakis Sandworm]

Liquid Snake. He just wanted to be the very best.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Caesar's Legion is objectively the lesser of two evils when compared to the NCR. And if you disagree, guess what? ✝

The Legion dies when Caesar kicks the bucket or they reach the Pacific. If the NRC fractures, it’ll return to the civilized tribes it was born from. If anything, Mr. House is the real better villain. The dude was able to compute the time that his Vegas would be able to develop off world habitation. He couldn’t give a shit about the rest of the world, but he has long term plans.

Emperor Palpatine, and by extension the Galatic Empire, would also be another villain that’s better than the hero, at least in Didney’s canon. Due to the sequel trilogy having the New Republic be even more incompetent than the Old Republic, the Empire is a better alternative for peace and stability in the galaxy.

 

[buying gf]

House Lannister >>>>> House Stark

Before D&D made everybody an idiot at the end of the series, the Starks were the idiots of the series. I found it hard to root for them because of how dumb they were. lol.

Sure, the Lannisters were messed up in many ways, but I found them to be the much more compelling and entertaining characters.

To add to this, literally anyone who could be considered an antagonist to Danaerys - Viserys, Jorah, Skahaz etc - they are all more interesting than her. It doesn't help that for the majority of the story so far she's been the only POV in Essos.

 

[Cosmos]

House Lannister >>>>> House Stark

Before D&D made everybody an idiot at the end of the series, the Starks were the idiots of the series. I found it hard to root for them because of how dumb they were. lol.

Sure, the Lannisters were messed up in many ways, but I found them to be the much more compelling and entertaining characters.

I've always considered the Starks to be a deconstruction of the usual "noble house of righteous and honorable people" trope. In a normal fantasy setting Ned Stark would be the main protagonist who unites all the other houses against tyranny/evil whereas he's fucking beheaded at the end of the first book in the A Song of Ice and Fire universe. Not to mention that he was beheaded because of his honor and morals (telling Cersei about his plan to expose her so she could run away with her children instead of just doing it, giving her ample time to spring a trap for him). Oh, and Rob tries to be honorable too and it gets him and his allies shot up with crossbows.

Also, I enjoy the Lannisters a lot but I'm a House Targaryen stan myself. They're the most fascinating house imo and I loved reading about them in Fire and Blood.

 

[Red Hood]

Who was the bad guy in the Ghostbusters reboot?

 

[Get_your_kicks_with_30-06]

The Legion dies when Caesar kicks the bucket or they reach the Pacific. If the NRC fractures, it’ll return to the civilized tribes it was born from. If anything, Mr. House is the real better villain. The dude was able to compute the time that his Vegas would be able to develop off world habitation. He couldn’t give a shit about the rest of the world, but he has long term plans.

House is definitely better than both, but I didn't include him because I don't consider him a villain in the game. Also kinda hard to to predict what will happen with the Legion after his death because that's one of the big things that the player can change the outcome of, but I kinda agree. If the NCR fractures it would definitely not be civil, the raiders and gangs will rip everything apart, and the various caravan companies, the Gun Runners, and brahmin barons will pick apart any money and land that is left over.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

To this day, I still think this man wasn't wrong. He might've been going too far in the end, and have been in it for all the wrong reasons, but he wasn't wrong.

 

[melty]

-Killgrave. I gave up watching the second season largely because it lacked this incredible villian.
-Rumpkestiltskin and the evil queen in once upon a time were much more likeable than the hero characters.
-Vegeta
-Shran
-Knives, while I personally like him less, did nothing wrong. Rem corrupted Vash with her bullshit social justice ideas.
-Kokichi Oma, Junko Enoshima
-Syndrome
-Light did nothing wrong
-Sue Sylvester

 

[verissimus]

Beast Wars Megatron Yes!
Kefka ...compared to the heroes? Easy choice.
I think I'd still take Vader over Luke Skywalker especially if we can ignore Anakin from the prequel movies (not so much the cartoons)

 

[Imperial Citizen]

House is definitely better than both, but I didn't include him because I don't consider him a villain in the game. Also kinda hard to to predict what will happen with the Legion after his death because that's one of the big things that the player can change the outcome of, but I kinda agree. If the NCR fractures it would definitely not be civil, the raiders and gangs will rip everything apart, and the various caravan companies, the Gun Runners, and brahmin barons will pick apart any money and land that is left over.

Ulysses said that the Bear will turn on itself as soon as their are no enemies to fight. It’s impossible for Caesar to turn the Legion’s tribals into a civilization before he dies. They will fracture into raiders and destroy any sense of progress in the region.

The NRC was formed out of several established communities. Their armies have ties to those communities or they will be hired out to protect the caravan companies. Things would return to Fallout 2 levels, with more raiding. It’s a shit situation, but the Legion is a worse outcome for everyone.