Plagued /vt/ and related vtuber lunacy - Touhou brony console wars

[akari-chann]

If this thread doesn't get the Plagued tag after a week I will be in shock.

 

[Win98SE]

Lots of things could have been done with the vtuber format to make it interesting, but it's 100% stalled at being a parasocial sinkhole for weebs who can't give up the dream of fucking anime girls. Any illusion of the tech bringing out the talent/creativity in streamers was immediately discarded for making vaguely "lewd" jokes to farm donations from horny neets.

It's an interesting phenomenon, but as others have pointed out, it's very quickly headed towards being the next brony/MLP shitstorm.

 

[Expressive Waffle Iron]

By the way expect fuckers from there to come here to bitch or shit the thread, they believe our thread is the inferior and cucked place to discuss the topic just because we are not burning all our money or thirsting like hyenas

For what it's worth as I frequent there I don't think anyone there will care. If it does happen, they should just be told "Go back" in unison, it'd be the funniest shit since that's generally the response if posters there recognize when someone's from another board.

 

[RiverBear]

I want to make the connection that v-tuber fans are eerily similar to the brony craze from around 2010. They have similar features, such as:

- Following an insanely banal topic
- Sexualizing said topic, bronies being creepy because they're cartoon animals, and v-tuber fans being creepy because it's cartoons of real people
- Inserting said topic into anything, such as bringing it up in conversation, changing their avatars to support it, or constantly posting pictures of it
- Getting incredibly angry when mocked or criticized (or when their subject is mocked or criticized), although this is true for any fandom
- Letting this topic infect their daily lives (wearing merch, trying to get their friends or family to watch it, spouting off catchphrases)
- Being obsessed over the "lore" surrounding their favorite character/setting
- Being laughed at by anyone not apart of their interest, with the people who tolerate them only finding them annoying
- The viewers look exactly like you'd imagine them being

The only distinction bronies have is v-tubers don't dress up like their characters or hold conventions, yet...as far as I'm aware of. Also, many v-tuber fans who hear me make this comparison get upset over it, so I guess they have that going for them. So if you ever want to troll these people easily, just take the same approach you would if you wanted to troll bronies.

Technically they did, one character in particular, Gawr Gura, has her own dounjinsji convention. No idea on the Western side because Covid and all, but the Japs have had their fair share of conventions, and this is the 2nd Gawr Gura focused one.

They have also invited to Anime Conventions as Guest Panels, with Fan Expo Dallas being the most recent one.

FAN EXPO Dallas x HOLOLIVE EN 2021 VTUBER TOUR | FAN EXPO Dallas

fanexpohq.com

 

[Least Concern]

For real though, I wouldn't go as far as to call most vtube fans pedophiles, but between the obnoxious high-pitched voice, the young anime girl look, and the cutesy aesthetic some of the popular vtubers have, it's easy for an outsider to draw that conclusion. Even the ones that don't look like a young girl, I really don't see what unique thing they bring to the table other than having a cutesy uwu anime girl avatar.

This is an old argument about anime in general. You like Evangelion? Sure, it features giant robots fighting, but it also features two teenaged female protagonists who are sometimes sexualized and that's the only reason you're watching it you fucking pedophile. Azumanga Daioh? I mean, why else would you watch a whole series about high school girls except to jack it at the half an episode where they go to the beach or whatever? Up against the wall, pedophile.

If anything, vtubers are even less pedophilic than your average anime girl; most of them don't even bother to pretend that they're not adults (though they don't admit their real ages for obvious reasons) and the limited range of motion of the "2D" models means it's hard to do intentional panty shot or deep cleavage angles and that sort of thing you often see in anime. And then, of course, there are the popular male tubers too. Speaking of which…

Theres a reason they're all anime girls.

Winningest Son (UCANDOIYT), Pizza Dad, Sexy Bartender, and Bobon say hi. None of the major agencies have launched any male streamers in their English branches yet, but I personally hope to see some at some point (Bonniver is from Nijisanji's Indonesian branch and speaks English throughout his streams (as most ID tubers do) so he plays the role for now).

@Cheetahman

ogey - dismissive statement usually accompanied by a picture like the one at the top, "ogey schizo", etc
rrat - narrative, either for the poster to call something fake, or to purport a fake claim as real by hiding it behind irony, "x having a boyfriend is a rrat", "my rrat is that x is a tranny"

My suggested additions:

Agency: An organized group of vtubers, with central management who takes a cut of a tuber's income in exchange for organizing and commissioning assets, doing promotion, etc. The two biggest are Nijisanji and Hololive; smaller ones include Phase Connect, VShoujo, VOMS, and many others at this point.

Indie: A vtuber who does not belong to an agency (although this term is also sometimes used to refer to a vtuber who may belong to an agency, but not one of the "big two.")

Model: The "cartoon" that the vtuber moves. This is done with tracking software which uses the Lidar scanners and specialized hardware on modern iPhones to track the actor's body and facial movements and modify the model accordingly. Usually the model is comprised of flat 2D image layers which are skewed and translated to give the appearance of fluid movement. Live2D is the most common tool to do this.

Bonk: When agency management disciplines a vtuber, though this might be as mild as "please don't do that anymore." Sometimes this happens mid-stream.

Roommate: A vtuber's real-life identity. Often spoke of to differentiate real-life events from the "kayfabe" of the characters they play; e.g., "X cancelled her stream today. Her roommate tweeted that she has had really bad allergies recently."

Akasupa: A YouTube superchat of high enough value that it appears with a red bubble. IIRC, for USD, this is one of $100 or more. From Japanese for "red super(chat)."

 

[David Brown]

though they don't admit their real ages for obvious reasons

I don't think that's so obvious. Are they afraid if their audience knows they are hags they wouldn't continue being the vile simps they are?

 

[n0mad]

Anon lusts after a phase project streamer.

/vt/ - Virtual YouTubers » Thread #6767657

Here we have a clash of two subcultures, both sides equally deranged, the world of Christian Weston Chandler (and court updates) as told by a cute anime avatar.

I foresee great things to come for this one.

This was her first stream on Chris, she's a huge fan of Metokur and is said to lurk on boards. In this stream she uses KF terminology and sources events back to the CWCki.
(The thumbnail of the video has a nice reference to the medallion as well as the totem.)

 

[Expressive Waffle Iron]

I really have no respect for anyone who is a Vtuber fan. How lonely do you have to be to pretend that a squeaky-voiced cartoon girl is streaming for you? I wouldn’t mind it as much if the Vtuber themselves simply wanted a character to represent them and emote during streams as a substitute for showing their face, but the fact that they have to pretend to be all cutesy, childish, and have a loli model half the time sends off several red flags in my head.

I agree with you for the most part. Nobody should be delusional enough to actually believe they have a chance to date/fuck/etc their Oshi. I watch Vtubers for the same reason that most people watch regular streamers; entertainment. As far as relationships go, it ends at that line. I am a viewer, and they are a streamer.

 

[Sissy]

I agree with you for the most part. Nobody should be delusional enough to actually believe they have a chance to date/fuck/etc their Oshi. I watch Vtubers for the same reason that most people watch regular streamers; entertainment. As far as relationships go, it ends at that line. I am a viewer, and they are a streamer.

Lol you fucking love them dont you

 

[n0mad]

I really have no respect for anyone who is a Vtuber fan. How lonely do you have to be to pretend that a squeaky-voiced cartoon girl is streaming for you?

I wouldn’t mind it as much if the Vtuber themselves simply wanted a character to represent them and emote during streams as a substitute for showing their face, but the fact that they have to pretend to be all cutesy, childish, and have a loli model half the time sends off several red flags in my head.

Also I will never get over how a fair amount of them have that ear piercing voice that gets really grating... How can anyone sit through that?

Autism, always the answer.

 

[Jewthulhu]

This is an old argument about anime in general. You like Evangelion? Sure, it features giant robots fighting, but it also features two teenaged protagonists who are sometimes sexualized and that's the only reason you're watching it you fucking pedophile. Azumanga Daioh? I mean, why else would you watch a whole series about high school girls except to jack it at the half an episode where they go to the beach or whatever? Up against the wall, pedophile.

If anything, vtubers are even less pedophilic than your average anime girl; most of them don't even bother to pretend that they're adults (though they don't admit their real ages for obvious reasons) and the limited range of motion of the "2D" models means it's hard to do intentional panty shot or deep cleavage angles and that sort of thing you often see in anime. And then, of course, there are the popular male tubers too. Speaking of which…

I'm speaking from the view of a relative normie. I wouldn't go as far as to say that all or even most animufags/vtubefags are pedos, but the shit mentioned is definitely there to appeal to a certain demographic. The fact that that's the shit that gets popular and shoved into everyone's face when there's plenty of better/less creepy stuff out there is what makes it even more weird.

 

[Expressive Waffle Iron]

Lol you fucking love them dont you

> I am a viewer, and they are a streamer.

 

[n0mad]

@Expressive Waffle Iron do you have any caps from the Amelia "stalker" from /jp/?

 

[Jack Awful]

That idol pee project might dethrone the pony cum jar project as one of the most fucked up fetish projects I've seen on 4chan.

 

[David Brown]

>I agree with you for the most part. Nobody should be delusional enough to actually believe they have a chance to date/fuck/etc their Oshi. I watch Vtubers for the same reason that most people watch regular streamers; entertainment. As far as relationships go, it ends at that line. I am a viewer, and they are a streamer.

 

[Sekrion Nexus Mind]

So while this thread is here I'll post this image collage here.
TLDR: typical Nyanners anti thread is made, later some anon(pink posts) tells another anon to "fuck off pedo scum", but doesn't condemn pedophile and is fine with ancient Greeks being pedophiles and sexually assaulting kids.

Spoiler

 

[Ed Special]

Would be amusing to see a Fat Ugly Bastard vtuber.

That's the only vtuber I'd ever be interested in watching, tbh

 

[dappouROCK]

I'm speaking from the view of a relative normie. I wouldn't go as far as to say that all or even most animufags/vtubefags are pedos, but the shit mentioned is definitely there to appeal to a certain demographic. The fact that that's the shit that gets popular and shoved into everyone's face when there's plenty of better/less creepy stuff out there is what makes it even more weird.

I wasn't trying to say that they're all pedophiles, but... I'm just saying that if they're a lolicon Vtuber fanatic, I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole. Obviously, not all Vtubers try to push the lolicon aesthetic, but there are those that do. So for the fans that go crazy for them, well... you know. Otherwise, I would just consider them very lonely people.

Edit: Typo fix

 

[Expressive Waffle Iron]

@Expressive Waffle Iron do you have any caps from the Amelia "stalker" from /jp/?

Sadly, I don't, but there are archives from that time. Here's a link if you would like to take that dive. https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S26815338#p26817165

 

[Sissy]

> I am a viewer, and they are a streamer.

User 1: "Its really Weird that these people act like children and people like that"

User 2: "For sure, and I am 100% not in love with them!"