Warhammer 40k

[Newcomer 42]

Finished my re-reading of Deathwatch, and I don't get why people complain about "propaganda" for the whole Tau sterilization thing.

It's not propaganda. The book stated that they do that, as well as experimentation on their human prisoners to find out a way to better control them or something.
The Dark Crusade game also talked about how they sterilize or feed to the Kroot their enemy prisoners despite pretending to be good.

The book doesn't shy from showing the Imperium as awful, we see it openly shitting on Ebongrave and Tetrarchus, if that's propaganda, whoever wrote got killed by the Inquisition.

Since the crusade is a bit of a sandbox for the players, I guess the idea was for the party to eventually shoot the guy and put someone competent in charge.
I didn't like how the Tau were annoying to fight since their basic guns outranged your bolters and got worse from there.

his is pretty much it. For whatever reason, BL writers feel compelled to add female characters when they can, which means having to work around Space Marines. Ship captains are important without having to contend with gritty ground combat and the likelihood of being super-murdered. They mainly sit in a chair and don't have to contend with others over authority.

It's part of the wokenization that plagues western works. Same reason why randomly black marines show up, like a black-skinned SM Absolver, descendant from the "literally all blonde" Blood Angels.

 

[Snekposter]

I think it is a mix of Honor Harrington influence and just GW deciding that if Guard commanders are mostly male, Navy commanders are mostly female. I find it fair, tbh.

Heinlein had the ship captains be predominantly female in Starship Troopers, as well.

Its a term to make fun of ridiculous obscure characters or races and the people who like them or get mad whenever they're ignored because of said obscurity

Sobs in Ketzok.

 

[Taki Supremacy]

For whatever reason, BL writers feel compelled to add female characters when they can,

Yeah in the new Necron book "Tomb World" 2/3's of the cast and all of the main characters the book follows are female Necrons or women. A female Necron Triarch Praetorian is the main character and she interacts a lot with a Necron female assassin that has the destroyer virus. The humans the book follows are mostly a woman train conductor and a woman Adeptus Arbities. It was pretty jarring but I still think it was a good book.

 

[p1138]

Yeah in the new Necron book "Tomb World" 2/3's of the cast and all of the main characters the book follows are female Necrons or women. A female Necron Triarch Praetorian is the main character and she interacts a lot with a Necron female assassin that has the destroyer virus. The humans the book follows are mostly a woman train conductor and a woman Adeptus Arbities. It was pretty jarring but I still think it was a good book.

Isn't that the one where act 2 starts with a bunch of unnecessary dialogue about an admech poop train, how it stinks, there's always a trail of liquid shit for miles behind it as a skidmark, it permeates their clothes, the train cars are streaked in shit, and so on?

 

[Dead Lion]

Edit, also, why is every ship commander a woman? The ring fencing of the Astartes and the consequences of Aaron Dembski-Bowden's faggotry have been a disaster for the Imperial Navy.

The world eaters lady from HH managed to actually become popular so I guess they’re trying to replicate her but with more wiggle room.

 

[winderson_silva]

Honestly, I don't mind women as long as they are well written , Captain Genericus of the bumfuck fleet isn't a problem.

Since the crusade is a bit of a sandbox for the players, I guess the idea was for the party to eventually shoot the guy and put someone competent in charge.

Funnily, the book also makes clear that a reason Dagon hit so hard is that the Deathwatch, despite being warned before everyone else, just did not tell any other imperial force there was a splinter fleet in the area.

 

[Taki Supremacy]

Isn't that the one where act 2 starts with a bunch of unnecessary dialogue about an admech poop train, how it stinks, there's always a trail of liquid shit for miles behind it as a skidmark, it permeates their clothes, the train cars are streaked in shit, and so on?

Yes that would be it. I forgot about that part lmao. It probably goes on for three or four pages about that.

 

[p1138]

Yes that would be it. I forgot about that part lmao. It probably goes on for three or four pages about that.

Ok, I just wanted to confirm I wasn't crazy that the author seemed like he inserted his shit fetish into this one. I got a bit past that but when it started in about the planetary governor needing to go to his ablutorium(bathroom) and slamming the door shut on his butler or whatever I just had to stop.

There's other times that black library novels go into some weird details about ship grease gangs, how bio-lumens work, etc. but to have that much dedicated to the admech poo-choo train having never read or listened to anything from this particular author before... it was ridiculous.

Since you completed it, does it go on about human shit, or any other weirdness after that? Or was it done and over with and I might as well finish it?

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

The world eaters lady from HH managed to actually become popular so I guess they’re trying to replicate her but with more wiggle room.

Lotara Sarrin felt kinda over forced even if her core concept wasnt that bad, i feel like its the one attached woman people like considering everyone else seems to fall flat, Minka Lesk was pretty much doomed to be used as fodder for people to Kitbash as Mira from SM1 and nothing else.

 

[Taki Supremacy]

Since you completed it, does it go on about human shit, or any other weirdness after that? Or was it done and over with and I might as well finish it?

The planetary governor gets killed by the Necron assassin in the bathroom, I think the whole point of the interaction was to show he was completely alone when it happens. There's nothing about shit in the rest of the book I'm pretty sure lmao.

 

[p1138]

The planetary governor gets killed by the Necron assassin in the bathroom, I think the whole point of the interaction was to show he was completely alone when it happens. There's nothing about shit in the rest of the book I'm pretty sure lmao.

Thank God. There's been some degenerate shit written in black library books but this managed to go on longer than the time Fulgrim tricked his captains into sticking things up his ass to sodomize a demon from him

 

[anti SJW]

I find Army Painter speed paints to be a great alternative to the official GW cumspurt, especially at $4 a bottle, and you don't need a lot at a time. It reminds me of watercolor paints in how it applies, but it doesn't need a wet palette at all, otherwise it eventually gets too wet to apply; I picked up a $2 artist palette from Walmart that has worked so much better for me. I don't care much for painting, but it has at least removed the daunting feeling.
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I use Speedpaint 2.0 on my board game and TTRPG minis. Great product.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Newcomer 42]

Funnily, the book also makes clear that a reason Dagon hit so hard is that the Deathwatch, despite being warned before everyone else, just did not tell any other imperial force there was a splinter fleet in the area.

Don't forget the guys studying the mysterious Black Pattern and the mysterious-er beings... Who are totally Necrons and the books stop pretending halfway there. In any case, these guys collected dataa about the Necs... And did fuck all to share the info. I think the NPCs suffered from "plot idiocy" so that the PCs stepped in and fixed everything. Although I'm not sure how you can "fix" a Necron situation other than bombing the planet hard.
What do you think about the Omega Vault, aka the literal plot dispenser? That one was odd.

The planetary governor gets killed by the Necron assassin in the bathroom, I think the whole point of the interaction was to show he was completely alone when it happens. There's nothing about shit in the rest of the book I'm pretty sure lmao.

That's a really shitty death.

Thank God. There's been some degenerate shit written in black library books but this managed to go on longer than the time Fulgrim tricked his captains into sticking things up his ass to sodomize a demon from him

... Goddammit. Good thing I didn't bother with the HH books. Eisenhorn continues to be an awesome read, but that one is a classic from the early 00s, way before the setting took itself too seriously.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I'm sorry, GW. The work train has left the station about 4 years ago. You're a bit late. On the tea. Also, I look forward to Imdenski Boden explaining to all the investors after they lose half of the company's valuation why he should not be shit canned.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

I use Speedpaint 2.0 on my board game and TTRPG minis. Great product.

i found speedpaints 1.0 for 20USD at a shop and wasnt really too big on them besides the more lighter colors, are 2.0 really the huge upgrade people say? They seem to be a staple by now even compared to the other speedpaint brands besides the Citadel Contrasts

 

[SIMIΔN]

It's part of the wokenization that plagues western works. Same reason why randomly black marines show up, like a black-skinned SM Absolver, descendant from the "literally all blonde" Blood Angels.

Yes, there's a definitely a trend to add females and visual minorities to GW's visual media.
As long as they're not unnaturally virtuous Mary-Sues I don't think it matters that much. KaldorDraigo/Mephiston are still fucking white males!!! and boringly perfect. Black Space Wolves do look out of place though.
I watched Return To Cadia yesterday. Of the squad of guardsmen, the focus was on three characters:
- An aged European man He saved the day.
- an African woman she was brave but made errors
- a mystery meat man He ended up possessed

Yeah in the new Necron book "Tomb World" 2/3's of the cast and all of the main characters the book follows are female Necrons or women. A female Necron Triarch Praetorian is the main character and she interacts a lot with a Necron female assassin that has the destroyer virus. The humans the book follows are mostly a woman train conductor and a woman Adeptus Arbities. It was pretty jarring but I still think it was a good book.

I don't think gender matters that much when you've been a sleeping robot for many millions of years.

 

[p1138]

... Goddammit. Good thing I didn't bother with the HH books. Eisenhorn continues to be an awesome read, but that one is a classic from the early 00s, way before the setting took itself too seriously.

The remembrancer who went crazy using bodily fluids for paintings on Fulgrim's ship at least made sense in context. The "stick things up his ass to get the demon out" was full on fucking retarded. Fortunately the HH books, it's limited to mostly just the two things that I mentioned, and the painting bit was directly tied to the Emperor's Children in the middle of their fall to Slaanesh so it actually made sense but it's also glossed over in that it's mentioned that it happened(and some other people's reactions to it, mostly it's someone's blood used), not discussed in detail as she does it.

 

[winderson_silva]

. And did fuck all to share the info.

That's the standard; being the only person with knowledge is good. This means whenever there is trouble, you will be the one to get the glory. Same reason the Admech hogs all STCs they can get, why give tech X to forge Y, if you can be the only person with it and thus get all contracts?

I don't think gender matters that much when you've been a sleeping robot for many millions of years.

I don't see a problem with some random necron wanting to cling to their biological identity, especially since the alternative is GW going "these are all gender neutral folks."

 

[Newcomer 42]

That's the standard; being the only person with knowledge is good. This means whenever there is trouble, you will be the one to get the glory.

Well, yeah, I get it, but by the time the players can step in, it's a bit too late as the Necrons are waking up and preparing to kill everything. Although I'm not sure what the plan would be for the players to win, as the main tomb world is hidden inside a literal hollow Sun. Attract the Tyranids to the Necrons and let the two duke it out while exterminating the Tau?

Same reason the Admech hogs all STCs they can get, why give tech X to forge Y, if you can be the only person with it and thus get all contracts?

I think that's part of the grimderp of the setting since that point got massively exaggerated over time, up to having the skitarii record combat data that the techpriests promptly discard for no reason, according to the skitarii codex.