Warhammer 40k

[GoGoNoJo]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/08/khorne-day-after-decades-of-service-the-khorne-berzerkers-earn-bulked-up-blessings/

Happy Khorne day.

 

[Mikoyan]

The big retcon with the 40k timeline is that now it was never accurate in the first place. Guilliman found out that the current year could be anywhere from 39,500 to 41,500. The Imperium has stagnated to the point where they can’t determine what year it is on Terra. Not to mention that the Great Rift has fucked up the flow of time itself. For instance, the Blood Angels appeared to received their Primaris reinforcements immediately after the Tyranids were defeated on Baal and the Great Rift appeared even though the Primaris were revealed on Terra after the Great Rift.

The current dating system is based upon when each planet perceived the opening of the Great Rift with dates before the Great Rift being ‘Previo’ and dates after the Great Rift being ‘Post’.

Cool idea but sad it looks angled to paper over sloppy continuity and storytelling, as well as probably give them a 'new era' to reference.

Also some intensive astonomy work could tell you with some certainty but that's sort of okay since the Imperium doesn't do 'real science' much.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I've been 3d printing for a while but I just got a resin printer this weekend. My first attempt was a Transcendant C'tan and I'm super pleased with the results. This should pay for itself by next week.


Amazon is running a coupon deal for the Creality Halot One so you can get it for about $170 after tax.

 

[Fwiffo]

Long story short, in the newest Bequin novel, Bequin is tracking down a mysterious figure known as the King in Yellow. He's tied to a Chaos group known as the Cognitae and apparently is trying to learn the Emperor's true name to gain power over him, so he's been poking around every repository of lost knowledge in the galaxy from Sortiarius to the Black Library. His shenanigans have managed to piss off six of the Traitor Legions and have gotten the Eldar riled up to the point where they have five Craftworlds dedicated to tracking him down. He has a personal army of cultists, cloned blanks, mutated Space Marines, and apparently a few Custodians as well. At the end of the book, Bequin and co. breach the King's personal pocket dimension and steal a book supposedly containing his true name: Constantin Valdor.

Of course, if the Yellow King really is Valdor, that raises about a million questions that will probably never be satisfactorily answered.

I just read the Eisenhorn series, the two Bequin books, and all the Ravenors except the first one, and I’m not sure all of this is exactly correct. My interpretation was:

- Though the Cognitae was likely chaos, they were only used (and later betrayed) by the King in Yellow

- I don’t remember anything about chaos custodes. When Bequin gets to the city of dust (pocket realm where the KiY supposedly lives) they see gold-coloured spacecraft but nothing directly suggesting chaos taint.

- Eisenhorn made it to the Black Library!? I don’t remember this… I know Jaq Draco did, and maybe that Czevak guy (and the sensei in old editions), but Eisenhorn?

- Eisenhorn himself isn’t really the focus of all the CSM and eldar attention; the former were using the Cognitae for their own purposes, and the Eldar are hunting the KiY specifically. Eisenhorn is just one other hunting him.

 

[Zaryiu2]

Long story short, in the newest Bequin novel, Bequin is tracking down a mysterious figure known as the King in Yellow. He's tied to a Chaos group known as the Cognitae and apparently is trying to learn the Emperor's true name to gain power over him, so he's been poking around every repository of lost knowledge in the galaxy from Sortiarius to the Black Library. His shenanigans have managed to piss off six of the Traitor Legions and have gotten the Eldar riled up to the point where they have five Craftworlds dedicated to tracking him down. He has a personal army of cultists, cloned blanks, mutated Space Marines, and apparently a few Custodians as well. At the end of the book, Bequin and co. breach the King's personal pocket dimension and steal a book supposedly containing his true name: Constantin Valdor.

Of course, if the Yellow King really is Valdor, that raises about a million questions that will probably never be satisfactorily answered.

That sounds like less than good writing

 

[lesser sperg]

I spent £50 on some models a few months ago. I was going to build myself a 54th psian jakals kill team. But after assembling most of them I threw them in the bin. I havent touched warhammer since I was a teenager and I forgot the sheer amount of effort required to just assemble, Let alone paint. Forget that.

Seems if you want to play in tournaments, you need official gw models. I cba

 

[Tism the Return]

I spent £50 on some models a few months ago. I was going to build myself a 54th psian jakals kill team. But after assembling most of them I threw them in the bin. I havent touched warhammer since I was a teenager and I forgot the sheer amount of effort required to just assemble, Let alone paint. Forget that.

Seems if you want to play in tournaments, you need official gw models. I cba

Official GW tourneys need you to have official GW miniatures, but most stores aren't nearly as annoying.

 

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That sounds like less than good writing

The idea of Chaos Custodes is antithetical to the very idea of Custodes, to be honest. If it wasn't Abnett writing it I'd assume it was ADB's revenge for GW refusing to let him make female Custodes a few years back, he has a serious daddy issues boner for Chaos, after all.

Now, having said that, I absolutely, 100%, could get down with the idea of the Custodes doing something that requires more than 5 minutes of foresight and other groups in the Imperium going "well, I can't understand it in 10 minutes of reading, that means it's HERESY and CHAOS". Frankly I'm surprised "Custodes doing something and the Imperium keeps trying to cockblock them" isn't a more common story bead.

 

[Zaryiu2]

The idea of Chaos Custodes is antithetical to the very idea of Custodes, to be honest. If it wasn't Abnett writing it I'd assume it was ADB's revenge for GW refusing to let him make female Custodes a few years back, he has a serious daddy issues boner for Chaos, after all.

Now, having said that, I absolutely, 100%, could get down with the idea of the Custodes doing something that requires more than 5 minutes of foresight and other groups in the Imperium going "well, I can't understand it in 10 minutes of reading, that means it's HERESY and CHAOS". Frankly I'm surprised "Custodes doing something and the Imperium keeps trying to cockblock them" isn't a more common story bead.

Oh I thought this was ADB writing that, with Abnett maybe there is something more going on

 

[Love Machine]

I very black pilled on the 40k world eaters. they look fucking BLAND as fuck, they just look like a csm with a sprue. Unironically if you put the 30k upgrade sprue on a despoiler squad you make better berserkers.




World eater bros, its just a massive L for us.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

I just read the Eisenhorn series, the two Bequin books, and all the Ravenors except the first one, and I’m not sure all of this is exactly correct. My interpretation was:

- Though the Cognitae was likely chaos, they were only used (and later betrayed) by the King in Yellow

- I don’t remember anything about chaos custodes. When Bequin gets to the city of dust (pocket realm where the KiY supposedly lives) they see gold-coloured spacecraft but nothing directly suggesting chaos taint.

- Eisenhorn made it to the Black Library!? I don’t remember this… I know Jaq Draco did, and maybe that Czevak guy (and the sensei in old editions), but Eisenhorn?

- Eisenhorn himself isn’t really the focus of all the CSM and eldar attention; the former were using the Cognitae for their own purposes, and the Eldar are hunting the KiY specifically. Eisenhorn is just one other hunting him.

I didn't say anything about Eisenhorn, fam. I was talking about the King in Yellow the entire time.

 

[Polyboros2]

I'm pretty sure GW rewrote the timeline because no one knew where anyone was in the first place.
I mean does anyone have a rough idea where characters like Cain, Gaunt, Eisenhorn, etc. where supposed to be on the timeline before it got rewritten?
I think Cain was canonically scribbling his biography somewhere in m42. But fuck if anyone knows about the other two, they could be neck deep in the indomitus crusades for all I know.

Eisenhorn got super juiced up in a Cognitae facility, I think up to Alpha/Alpha+ psycher, his lifespan is probably fairly extended, though the novels are still within a few hundred years do to characters still alive(I could barely make it through the first Bequin novel, and only made it a few chapters into the second). However we know the later Ravenor stories are pre-Tyranids from a magic door jaunt into the future. I think that puts a bit of a damper on anybody but Eisenhorn making it to modern 40k.

 

[GoGoNoJo]

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World eater bros, its just a massive L for us.

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Speaking as someone who really loves the concept (but not the current implementation) of plague marines, the grass is always greener on the other side. I can't stand all the random antlers and metallic crap that GW has slapped on my precious plague boys; it makes the models way too visually busy and it detracts from the "death and decay" theme of plague marines.

 

[Love Machine]

Speaking as someone who really loves the concept (but not the current implementation) of plague marines, the grass is always greener on the other side. I can't stand all the random antlers and metallic crap that GW has slapped on my precious plague boys; it makes the models way too visually busy and it detracts from the "death and decay" theme of plague marines.

Plague marines at least have flavor, regardless if you like it or not. The berserker looks like a generic csm with an upgrade sprue. Not even a good upgrade sprew because a mark 6 world bearer looks better.

 

[GoGoNoJo]

Plague marines at least have flavor, regardless if you like it or not.

"Flavor" doesn't count for much if it's shit and it detracts from what you love about the army.

The berserker looks like a generic csm with an upgrade sprue. Not even a good upgrade sprew because a mark 6 world bearer looks better.

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you feel is missing from the new Berzerker model? It seems to me that Khorne Berzerkers have always been red, angry chaos marines adorned with skulls and skull related paraphernalia.

 

[Love Machine]

"Flavor" doesn't count for much if it's shit and it detracts from what you love about the army.

Youre taste literally doesnt matter and isnt relevant to the discussion.

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you feel is missing from the new Berzerker model? It seems to me that Khorne Berzerkers have always been red, angry chaos marines adorned with skulls and skull related paraphernalia.
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If I can make the model with an upgrade sprue then what was the point in the first place? The older berserkers even have more going on so im not even sure you understand your own point. unless the other 9 (assuming we even get 9 unique poses for the box) are really interesting and unique from one another then this is a downgrade from old berserkers because I can literally make more interesting looking berserkers with upgrade sprues and maybe an aos kit.

 

[GoGoNoJo]

If I can make the model with an upgrade sprue then what was the point in the first place? The older berserkers even have more going on so im not even sure you understand your own point. unless the other 9 (assuming we even get 9 unique poses for the box) are really interesting and unique from one another then this is a downgrade from old berserkers because I can literally make more interesting looking berserkers with upgrade sprues and maybe an aos kit.

My point is, your main problem with the new berserker model is that it looks too much like a standard chaos marine, right? But haven't khorne berzerkers always been really similar to regular chaos marines when compared to plague marines and rubric marines? Aside from bunny ears and chain axes, what really separates berserkers from regular chaos marines (in an aesthetic sense)? What do you feel is missing from this new model, that is present in older berserker models?

 

[Love Machine]

My point is, your main problem with the new berserker model is that it looks too much like a standard chaos marine, right? But haven't khorne berzerkers always been really similar to regular chaos marines when compared to plague marines and rubric marines? Aside from bunny ears and chain axes, what really separates berserkers from regular chaos marines (in an aesthetic sense)? What do you feel is missing from this new model, that is present in older berserker models?

"theyve always looked basic as fuck so its okay"
Not even going to engage with that


How about they just make them look the concept art you constantly make for them? They can steal the emblem logo being molded into found from some heresy and modern berserkers for their chest armor. Armor should not be pristine or even really symmetrical. And you know what, even give some of them a larger and burlier stature and let a few of them steal kharn's arm fashion. There is literally a thousand different ways to take it besides just taking a csm space marine model in CAD, taking off some of the trim then stealing a helmet and old backpack from an upgrade pack and calling it done. You know what, you could have even gone the lazy route and just took a csm model and reshaped the trim into the big dumb khorne trim. At least that would look distinct.

 

[iceteayo]

The idea of Chaos Custodes is antithetical to the very idea of Custodes, to be honest. If it wasn't Abnett writing it I'd assume it was ADB's revenge for GW refusing to let him make female Custodes a few years back, he has a serious daddy issues boner for Chaos, after all.

Now, having said that, I absolutely, 100%, could get down with the idea of the Custodes doing something that requires more than 5 minutes of foresight and other groups in the Imperium going "well, I can't understand it in 10 minutes of reading, that means it's HERESY and CHAOS". Frankly I'm surprised "Custodes doing something and the Imperium keeps trying to cockblock them" isn't a more common story bead.

Abnetts has done more Damage to the lore than ADB ever has. I feel like more guys are ticked off at ADB for being a prick on social media when Abnett has put out some absolute stinkers but being the guy behind Gaunts Ghosts and Eisenhorn he’s untouchable.

Speaking as someone who really loves the concept (but not the current implementation) of plague marines, the grass is always greener on the other side. I can't stand all the random antlers and metallic crap that GW has slapped on my precious plague boys; it makes the models way too visually busy and it detracts from the "death and decay" theme of plague marines.

Forgetting the third step there bud rebirth

 

[Snekposter]

Abnetts has done more Damage to the lore than ADB ever has. I feel like more guys are ticked off at ADB for being a prick on social media when Abnett has put out some absolute stinkers but being the guy behind Gaunts Ghosts and Eisenhorn he’s untouchable.

Yeah, his quality really tanked hard following Salvation's Reach.