Should’ve been one of those hairless wonders, those things are demonic, I could see one with an EC warlord petting it like Doctor Evil
I was genuinely mindfucked when I saw that range, like compared to Slaanesh’s range? No contest.
You going full peacock with it?
That's because their main customer base IS 40-year-old white guys. They no longer give a shit about attracting kids to the hobby, unless it's kids who have mommy's credit card. The game is fast becoming a rich man's game, but there's enough saps who will pay for it.......for now.
They've been shitting on customers for decades.
Ok, just stop. The edgy adult comics shit didn't become a major trend till the damned 90s, and that was after indie comics were doing it in the 80s. But you're forgetting the entire golden and silver ages of comics before that. Comics were marketed at kids from the start, until kids were priced out of it due to speculator bullshit in the 90s with ridiculous pricing, a half dozen alt covers, etc. And as far as SJWs being in the comic industry practically everything Stan Lee was involved in revolved around oppression, slavery, equal rights, etc. Hell, the damned cartoons even Superfriends came out in the 70s, do I even need to mention the 60's live action Batman show being kid friendly? Come on man.
Have you never noticed just how many graybeards on dakkadakka, or even youtube channels(not the ones that jumped on the bandwagon during the covid bullshit) all talk about playing and painting 40k as a kid? GW has always marketed in one way or another to kids. Even back in the 80s(and up into the 90s) it wasn't much different than every rated R hollywood movie having a line of action figures associated with it marketed to 7 year olds(robocop, alien, terminator, Rambo, Starship Troopers, etc all had kids toys and some of those even had saturday morning cartoons).
These fuckers are so lost they can't just accept fiction is fiction.
I'm talking about comics from 2000s onwards. Not the 90s, since in that time, they were chasing some collective cover BS that destroyed many comic shops. Comics from the 2000s to the mid-to-late 2010s were marketed specifically towards adults and had gore and violence aplenty because they were trying to ape Watchmen or some other famous comic that had sex, swearing, and blood. Right before the SJWs came along, western comics were no longer being sold to kids. Kids were more busy with anime, manga, cartoons, movies, and video games. The MCU was Marvel's main concern, not the comics, which were more niche and adult.
The adults that buy 40K products now were kids in the 80s and 90s. Most of them are now 30-40 years old, and have jobs, which means they can afford rising prices on miniatures. But now, the hobby has become so expensive that no self-respecting kid will even bother with it. Especially when your average kid cares more about video games, anime/manga, or memes on the internet, since that's what their buddies are into. If a kid has 500 bucks to spend, and he has the choice of spending it on Roblox and Fortnite or some weird hobby populated by greasy neckbeards who are older than their parents, guess which path they'll be choosing? More likely, that kid will be buying a used PS5 with that money, along with some downloadable games.
And they've been marketing to kids this entire time.
And you make it sound as if there's a problem with this. Hell, the video games of which there have been tons for decades have been and will continue to be mostly shit, including some of them now being MTX filled f2p crap because they'll hand the license out to anyone with the money and willing to accept their profit sharing contracts.
It's even dumber now when you realize that the publishers of World of Warships were working on this at the time and released it probably not too long after that dumb video came out.
Tell me, can kids afford today's prices for 40K minis? Especially when you look at the alternatives.
Then they will fail in marketing to kids. Kids today can't get enough of video games; even in school they have to game, and the teachers had to accept it and allow them to play ''educational'' versions of popular games like Minecraft.
I wasn't talking about the decades prior. I was talking about comics from the 2000s to the late 2010s when they started appealing to SJWs. Mainstream DC and Marvel superhero stories were filled with a lot of adult stuff, from rape as drama and girlfriends stuffed in the fridge, to violence and bloodshed that'd make Game of Thrones look like Sesame Street.
Go back and read my previous post. You tell me if you think the common family in the 80s that wasn't loaded, was going to be affording this shit back then. There's a reason I've repeatedly said this was marketed to upper middle class kids. I even provided a link where you can browse those catalogs for yourself. Hell, I'll do it again. http://www.solegends.com/citcat2006/c2006p052-00.htm
So they're going to fail with f2p mtx games... because kids can't get away from their monitors? Think about that contradiction please.
No, mainstream Marvel and DC were not filled with that. If it did happen, it was a rarity or it wasn't in one of the mainline series. Also, talking about what is basically a short 10 year period of comics, while ignoring the entire rest of the almost century now(if you want to say modern comics started in the '40s, that would put them at 80 year)? And if you're trying to claim the the comics are marketed to kids, sure... they have been in the past but don't forget that Diamond Distributors damn near went out of business(again) just a couple of years ago due to how badly the industry has been doing, and the number 3 publisher IDW has practically fallen off of a cliff due to mismanagement for the past decade especially with regard to their licensed comics(some of their biggest sellers) from Hasbro because no one wanted to buy fat overweight gender ambiguous GI Joe figures.
Upper middle-class kids also have better options today. The 80s had rudimentary games that were just starting up; nowadays you can have a PS5 that can download countless modern games as well as classics from previous decades. Heck, upper middle-class kids would probably have access to a gaming rig, a PC, which can download endless games from Steam.
Like I said, this was the attitude of the 2000s-early 2010s comics. The era before the current generation.
No, it's because they haven't made a game flexible and addictive enough. Like you said here:
Not every kid is into video games, just as not every kid in the 90s was into video games.
So if kids don't like shit and go to the quality entertainment, are you saying fortinite is the epitome of quality gaming then? You complained about it earlier.
Once again, you cannot ignore that this was practically a blip for the comic industry, and wasn't really the norm even then. And like I said, there have been progressives and liberals in the comic industry for ages, or had you just failed to notice what couldn't even be called undertones in comics from the 60s-90s? This is like when you tried to tell us about the liberals involved in tabletop gaming... ignoring that they had always been there. They've been in comics the entire time too.
I'm not going to pre-order it, but I'm hoping it turns out to be decent.
Considering GW's current actions and who's writing the game itself, you will keep hearing about the SJWs until the end of time.
Considering who's writing it, I have no expectations. They'll probably double down on how evil the Imperium truly is, in a vain attempt to ''own the chuds''. Or they'll just make it shotgun fodder with Tyranids. Nothing deep, quite safe.
Times have changed since the 90s. The upper middle-class has shrunk, and video games have become more mainstream. And even among the kids who aren't into video games, many of them are into toys, trading card games, board games that you pick up and play, and sports. As well as kids who watch anime and read manga. From all those kids, how many are left to play an expensive tabletop game where you have to paint and assemble every piece, and each piece costs as much as a meal at Applebees?
Well, yes, at least for the kids. Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft, their Holy Trinity. Then there's those who download older games and fall in love with them too. Outside of the trading card games and toys, that is the most profitable sector for kids' entertainment today. What is GW doing to gain their approval?
It was basically how comics were before they petered out and got handed over to the SJWs. And modern SJW authors, unlike past progressive authors, are openly antagonizing the comic fanbase, which leads to even less readers, since the few people still reading western superhero comics instead of manga are getting pissed off.
Each piece does not cost as much as a meal at applebees. I did the math for you including the inflation calculation and compared a 2006 era battleforce(even linking the page it appeared on) and its pricing to a modern one and it turns out the pricing is practically identical.
Well you've already pre-emptively complained about anything GW might do regarding animations involving their IP, manga, etc. The simple fact is, even if the current main demographic is 40 year olds, those 40 year olds won't exist forever and they need to bring in replacements purely for maintenance of the customer count before even considering growth. This is just basic sense. It's the same reason Star Wars was marketed to kids back in the 80s(including with cartoons) and Disney tries to market Star Wars to kids now. And that's not even a symptom of the normal short-sighted profit chasing issues of publicly traded companies, that's a long term view.
So you're admitting that era was shit and didn't work, then had to at least attempt to revert back to something with broader appeal?
Yeah, because you keep bringing it up. We've already established that you don't play, and don't seem to be engaged in the hobby aspect. That leaves lore, but then you're also complaining about the quality of the video games and you also complain about the authors. So you don't like the books and video games either. What are you here for then?
I was exaggerating. But a box of 10 Primaris Intercessors cost 60 bucks. Heavy Intercessors cost a bit more, but you only get 5 of them for 65 bucks. 65 divided by 5 is 13. You can get a kid's meal at Applebees for 13 bucks.
I agree with you. That demographic of 40-year-old farts will eventually shrink. Especially as they do keep complaining about price increases, and they are getting older. But the thing is, GW isn't doing much to bring in kids into the hobby. Like I said, the upper middle-class is shrinking, and even among their kids, they have WAY more options for entertainment than we had when we were their age. So even upper-class kids might not buy into 40K the way some kids back in the 80s, 90s, or 2000s did. Especially when there are way more options, both inside and outside of the virtual realm.
Yep. But instead of a broader appeal, they began insulting their current readerbase.
Actually, I loved some of the games in the past. Space Marine and Kill Team were cool. And there were some interesting tidbits and lore that I found interesting; it's just that you have to accept that it's written in a certain way that favors a certain viewpoint. I can enjoy it the same way I enjoy Watchmen; the way I view it would obviously go against Moore's view of how the story is.
The same way they've always done it for the past few decades(even their insane stock price jump started long before covid lockdowns and hell, SNES and Genesis games were priced at $50-60 back in the 90s as well). Either their parents have the money to get them the thing they're interested in to shut them up. Or they maintain a casual interest and then buy into it in their late teens or early 20s. And even back in the 80s, they still had the same competition from other toy companies selling action figures that didn't need to be painted, play-sets that didn't need to be assembled, and so on yet somehow they still succeeded.