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What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?
I think the Alpha Legion brewing civil war could be interesting as they’re breaking trends with “I am Alpharius” with “I am not Alpharius”. Book sucked and author is a fag but it could be interesting. And I want to see Decimus’s story continue. Iron Warriors and Red Corsairs also need more love.

Least favorite is Black Legion. Between them being the poster boys for chaos to the point all chaos space marine models are black legion coded I hate them.
 
I have had a lot of conversations about favorite Space Marine Legions & chapters but rarely, if ever specifically talk favorite (post-heresy) Chaos Space Marine Legions / Fallen Chapters.

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

My favorite is the Night Lords due to the fact that they kind of suck shit and have always seemed like the most half-cooked of the Traitor Legions. Petty criminals and emos that were inexplicably recruited in to the space marines and even as Chaos Marines they are kind of half-assed about it. I just find them sort of unintentionally funny:
The Legion of "Fuck you dad!"

Least favorite is EC, purely for aesthetic reasons. The coom marines set off my prudish gag reflex, though I do kind of like their color scheme.
Word Bearers, not even close.
 
I have had a lot of conversations about favorite Space Marine Legions & chapters but rarely, if ever specifically talk favorite (post-heresy) Chaos Space Marine Legions / Fallen Chapters.

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

My favorite is the Night Lords due to the fact that they kind of suck shit and have always seemed like the most half-cooked of the Traitor Legions. Petty criminals and emos that were inexplicably recruited in to the space marines and even as Chaos Marines they are kind of half-assed about it. I just find them sort of unintentionally funny:
The Legion of "Fuck you dad!"

Least favorite is EC, purely for aesthetic reasons. The coom marines set off my prudish gag reflex, though I do kind of like their color scheme.
I like the Alpha Legion, at least when they're being handled by competent writers. I'm especially fond of the implication that they're all just doing their own thing and have long since lost sight of whatever overly complicated bullshit plan Alpharius and Omegon were trying to pull during the Heresy. It gives a lot of space for Your Dudes, so you can do an army of closet loyalists, renegades, all-in Chaos worshippers, or space pirates and it makes total sense.

I also like the Emperor's Children because the idea of Noise Marines high off their gourds on warp dust and killing their foes with weaponized dubstep amuses me and I like the Hellraiser vibes they give off in the older art. I'm hoping the range refresh that we're probably getting come 11th leans into that body horror aspect a little more, like the HH Kakophoni models do.

As for minor warbands, the Purge, solely because they're what would happen if you gave Judge Death a pack of Chaos Marines and told him to go nuts.
 
As for minor warbands, the Purge, solely because they're what would happen if you gave Judge Death a pack of Chaos Marines and told him to go nuts.
There was one Nurgle minor warband that the lore was like "these guys never leave their armor and a bunch of toxic oil and grease constantly leaks out of every rivet and seam, no one alive has a clue what they actually look like inside" with their armor being flesh colored. That seemed interesting and suitably horrifying.

So of course White Dwarf painted up one of them without a helmet on because GW can't do anything right.
 
I have had a lot of conversations about favorite Space Marine Legions & chapters but rarely, if ever specifically talk favorite (post-heresy) Chaos Space Marine Legions / Fallen Chapters.

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

My favorite is the Night Lords due to the fact that they kind of suck shit and have always seemed like the most half-cooked of the Traitor Legions. Petty criminals and emos that were inexplicably recruited in to the space marines and even as Chaos Marines they are kind of half-assed about it. I just find them sort of unintentionally funny:
The Legion of "Fuck you dad!"

Least favorite is EC, purely for aesthetic reasons. The coom marines set off my prudish gag reflex, though I do kind of like their color scheme.
I like the ones are that are very firmly daemonkin, Word Bearers, the cult legions and the Sons of Horus, my favorite is Emperor’s Children, their fall was the hardest and tied with the World Eaters for most destructive. It felt like Slaanesh just wanted to insult the Emperor and it did so by corrupting a Legion that had his favor and turning them into junkie fiends.

Fulgrim sucks though, I like the legion but hate the primarch. Best character is Eidolon, easily the legion’s MVP. Hope his book is good.

Least favorite is Thousand Sons, don’t like their lore, don’t like Magnus and Rubrics are a boring cult unit compared to the other three. Also don’t like Black Legion because of Abaddon and they have no identity, they’re the amerimutts of CSM.
 
Also don’t like Black Legion because of Abaddon and they have no identity, they’re the amerimutts of CSM.
12 failed black crusades
oh wait, those were all part of his super sheshul awesome plan that took milennia's worth of planning
driving a blackstone fortress into cadia....

This is why people go with Word Bearers for Chaos Undivided.
 
What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?
For legions, favorite is Iron Warriors for being competent assholes who like artillery and daemon engines. Least favorite is Black Legion because they're a bland social club that congratulate failure as long term planning.

For warbands, favorite is Crimson Slaughter with their need to kill everything just to shut up the warp spirits that haunt them and how you don't know if they're a Khorne warband (need to constantly kill) or a Tzeentch one (the way they fell as the Crimson Sabers is up Tzeentch's alley). Least favorite is Sons of Nemeroth from the Space Marine game because they're just stand-ins for the Black Legion (Nemeroth was cool though).
 
12 failed black crusades
oh wait, those were all part of his super sheshul awesome plan that took milennia's worth of planning
driving a blackstone fortress into cadia....

This is why people go with Word Bearers for Chaos Undivided.
But it was very successful! Cadia is no more! Now GW is forced to make guard models other than Cadia and really expand the guard line!

Which is all a lie they just set up New Cadia right across the street because God forbid anything in 40k have consequences
 
But it was very successful! Cadia is no more! Now GW is forced to make guard models other than Cadia and really expand the guard line!

Which is all a lie they just set up New Cadia right across the street because God forbid anything in 40k have consequences
Ran of, course by Creed’s nepotism hire daughter who looks like the evil lady from Matilda.
 
Progress...? I guess? I really, really did not want to destroy that pretty undershadow. So I decided to use nothing but Shades for the basecoat.

Today was tedious from delicately purpling out all of the black shadows and lines, then placing a second shade layer of darker blue shade to tie the shadows into the highlight zones, and finally some aethermatic blue in strategic places where I thought the light would hit most. Aethermatic is a contrast, but the rest of them were just shades.

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Because of that, the basecoat is quite faded and dark. I am actually okay with that aspect of the project so far.

Do I like it though? I dont know yet.

Sticking with the "classic" GW paint scheme with the yellow accents on the beaks and feet, I am not sure I am as much of a fan of that yellow. I think as long as I don't overdo it on the brightness levels of the yellow edge highlights and keep it at least just as readable as it sits now but with fully filled in sections,tentacles etc., the paintjob could maybe work...picking out all of the thousands of teeth in brilliant white will help to give a little more resolution to the thing because right now the teeth still have a bunch of spots of visible primer left over from the drybrushing.

This sculpt is way more chaotic than the GW so I want the next one to look like a proper Cosmic Horror.
 
Imagine being a guardsman, in the shit and the person in charge is a fat nepo-hire. I’d start paying more attention to Guardsman Moon and his radical ideas about the Emperor.

The more current year shit put into the Imperium genuinely make the alternatives more appealing.
Well once GW started doing more femstodes nonsense and their terrible reply to the community all the guard and loyalist fans started to switch to chaos and posted Night Lord and Iron Warrior memes

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And if any of you fuckers start laying in about Reagan and Thatcher or any of that dumb shit about 40ks history which has been done to death in a manner worse than a butter dish crossed with boiled eggs sold in a grocery story in the Rekieta thread you will find yourself in the skinning pits.
 
Well once GW started doing more femstodes nonsense and their terrible reply to the community all the guard and loyalist fans started to switch to chaos and posted Night Lord and Iron Warrior memes

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And if any of you fuckers start laying in about Reagan and Thatcher or any of that dumb shit about 40ks history which has been done to death in a manner worse than a butter dish crossed with boiled eggs sold in a grocery story in the Rekieta thread you will find yourself in the skinning pits.
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That’s just one retard now, he should be here in an hour or two to shit up the thread so we still have some time to talk about 40k.
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Chaosposting as counter-GW trolling is genius
 
I'm especially fond of the implication that they're all just doing their own thing and have long since lost sight of whatever overly complicated bullshit plan Alpharius and Omegon were trying to pull during the Heresy. It gives a lot of space for Your Dudes, so you can do an army of closet loyalists, renegades, all-in Chaos worshippers, or space pirates and it makes total sense.
Yeah, I really loved that. They kept their motivation and plans so secret not even their own men knew what was going on, so of course they split up to do whatever they thought they should be doing all while the Imperium gaslights itself into thinking all the different AL warbands are working towards achieving some singular plan.
 
This is why people go with Word Bearers for Chaos Undivided.
Word Bearers are definitely far more interesting than Black Legion and are (I think) the best choice for default CSM army. Word Bearers really lean in to the demonic cultist / religious angle and are much more the original traitors in the stories while the Black Legion are far more just generic bad guys with few if any distinguishing characteristics other than being pushed hard as the big threat. Fuck, at times I forget that the Black Legion are even a thing they are so forgettable.
Of all of them I think it'd be more fun to paint them up in their pre-heresey legion colors. World Eaters in blue and white with blood splatter is infinitely more interesting than "hey look we're the Khorne Marines who Khorne the Khorne Khorne."
Pre-heresy World Eaters had such a pretty color scheme, kind of funny that psycho blood drinkers were the best dressed legion.
I'm especially fond of the implication that they're all just doing their own thing and have long since lost sight of whatever overly complicated bullshit plan Alpharius and Omegon were trying to pull during the Heresy
I really like that. While I thought Legion was an interesting novel back when I read it and I personally think Dan Abnett is consistently the best writer they have (as long as he is not getting lost in the weeds) that book really was a massive fuck-you shaped spanner thrown in to the works that raised an awful lot of questions and contradictions. With any luck GW hold on to the idea that un-answered questions and mysteries are far more fun for fans to play around with than concrete answers. Alpha Legion have a pretty cool appearance going for them too.
Do I like it though? I dont know yet.
I have never been any kind of painter or colorist but I like what you have so far.
I think the main body strikes a good balance between looking amorphous and in flux while the finer details like the teeth and eyes stick out enough to be visually interesting with out being distracting.
The sculpt its self looks pretty cool but could use some kind of core or centering feature for the eye to rest on. Could be an intentional design choice to make the model look less defined in shape.
 
I like the Alpha Legion, at least when they're being handled by competent writers. I'm especially fond of the implication that they're all just doing their own thing and have long since lost sight of whatever overly complicated bullshit plan Alpharius and Omegon were trying to pull during the Heresy. It gives a lot of space for Your Dudes, so you can do an army of closet loyalists, renegades, all-in Chaos worshippers, or space pirates and it makes total sense.

I also like the Emperor's Children because the idea of Noise Marines high off their gourds on warp dust and killing their foes with weaponized dubstep amuses me and I like the Hellraiser vibes they give off in the older art. I'm hoping the range refresh that we're probably getting come 11th leans into that body horror aspect a little more, like the HH Kakophoni models do.

As for minor warbands, the Purge, solely because they're what would happen if you gave Judge Death a pack of Chaos Marines and told him to go nuts.
CSM have always lent themselves well to /YourDudes/

Black Legion for all their faults are great for this, as they’re just warbands sworn to Abaddon, not a marching army. They literally take anyone, unfortunately the Red Corsairs do the same while also retaining soul, character and not being mutts. Bonus points if you just make True Sons who stayed in the SoH colours and told Abaddon to pound sand.

World Eaters shattered, go wild, HH colours are better though (this is true for all of them)

Emperor’s Children shattered, go wild, they have a hundred colour schemes as is, yours will be the best though.

Word Bearers, Hosts fight each other all the time, some Hosts haven’t even been to Sicarus. Unlike what some (retards) say these guys also use the cult units, they just single out squads who veer too closely to one god and make it so they don’t get promoted.

Iron Warriors, every Warsmith thinks he’s an evil genius who will build the strongest micro-empire. Lots of potential.

Death Guard, their 8th codex really went the extra mile in showing that the company system from the Great Crusade is still alive in this legion. So they’re more ordered but each Vectorum is its own can of worms.

Thousand Sons, same with the DG that 8th ed codex really fleshed out the Thrallbands. The Ahriman book off-handily mentioned getting regular warbands as allies/indentured servants/slaves/ manipulation victims and I think that could be a great idea for an Apocalypse game.

Alpha Legion, you are being deceived and every warband thinks they’ve got the true orders.

Night Lords shattered, go wild, in midnight clad of course.
 
Alpha Legion, you are being deceived and every warband thinks they’ve got the true orders.

Night Lords shattered, go wild, in midnight clad of course.
Probably why I like them both so much. You can completely play them however. You can justify playing them as say loyalist (a bit difficult for Night Lords unless you want to go full Sev is a Grey Knight and recruited a loyal NL band), you can justify chaos, you can justify just renegade.

Bonus points if you just make True Sons who stayed in the SoH colours and told Abaddon to pound sand.
Okay but what about playing a LOYAL Sons of Horus. Huh? Who the hell is Horus LUPERCAL? What the heck are Luna Wolves?
 
Alpha Legion, you are being deceived and every warband thinks they’ve got the true orders.
If only BL and the Redditors that make up their fanbase would realize that they're getting lamer with every "Well, akshually, they're loyal and not!", revealing mysteries, and taking away from the mystique of the unit. They used to be my favorite Traitor Legion, and now I'm getting sick of seeing them and how flanderized/bastardized they've become.
 
Salamanders and Iron Warriors might be getting some HH love
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Possible leak for next marine box, plastic Mark IV (stock up on old ones while you can) and rumoured Saturine Termies
Probably why I like them both so much. You can completely play them however. You can justify playing them as say loyalist (a bit difficult for Night Lords unless you want to go full Sev is a Grey Knight and recruited a loyal NL band), you can justify chaos, you can justify just renegade.


Okay but what about playing a LOYAL Sons of Horus. Huh? Who the hell is Horus LUPERCAL? What the heck are Luna Wolves?
Well the True Sons actually got some lore in the Cthonia book, they are SoH who saw the corruption and induction of non-Cthonians as “impure” dilutions. They’re Traitors but they’re not shoving daemons up their butts.

“Loyalists from Traitor Legions” can be done but it takes good writefagging.

Night Lords can be anything from terrorists, pirates, CSM, Raptor mercenaries or just scavengers. Lots of possibilities.
If only BL and the Redditors that make up their fanbase would realize that they're getting lamer with every "Well, akshually, they're loyal and not!", revealing mysteries, and taking away from the mystique of the unit. They used to be my favorite Traitor Legion, and now I'm getting sick of seeing them and how flanderized/bastardized they've become.
HH did them so dirty, not every mystery needed to be revealed.

It would’ve been so much better if Legion never happened and they were the one Traitor Legion whose fall was a genuine, unanswered mystery.
 
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