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It's just that I can't buy the excuses about the models being old, rules not getting updated, etc. when the exact same thing was happening to 40k at practically the exact same time and it survived without turning into entirely just space marines vs space marines
40k was actually dying for awhile from the same issues we're in a sort of GW renaissance right now actually. Those problems did not help WHFB and certainly contributed to the decline but also it's a more niche game and will never have the market share of 40k so people leaving affected it way more
 
WHFB is an old man game designed for autistic people such as myself. The barrier of entry is higher because low points fantasy barely functions and you have less exciting models due to the way ranks have to work. I love it and play it alot but it's an exceptionally niche game compared to 40k where everyone ever had had a tactical marine box.
Exactly, the problem is WHFB started with a 500 dollar barrier to entry instead of 100 or so. Most models being metal or finecast instead of plastic made things even worse.
It's just that I can't buy the excuses about the models being old, rules not getting updated, etc. when the exact same thing was happening to 40k at practically the exact same time and it survived without turning into entirely just space marines vs space marines
40k is basically Space Marines vs Space Marines since it's inception. The only reason it doesn't seem that way now is because of other lower entry level armies as well as the wide availability of Start Collecting boxes.
Give it another couple of years, that game will likely die off. They'll probably try to bring apocalypse back again, and the cycle will continue.
All the Epic and Armageddon stuff was always a niche thing, they've sold more models as display pieces than have ever been used in games. It's just an excuse to bring them out in public every few years. I remember that happening even with the Armorcast stuff.
40k was actually dying for awhile from the same issues we're in a sort of GW renaissance right now actually.
Around the time 8th edition came out, I remember someone saying they couldn't increase production any more because the power plant that fed GW couldn't power any more tooling. So they were physically capped at plastic making.
Those problems did not help WHFB and certainly contributed to the decline but also it's a more niche game and will never have the market share of 40k so people leaving affected it way more
It comes down to Space Marines being both a boon and a burden. They make the game easy to get into, they are ubiquitous so everyone knows what to expect, and they function as a second currency. If you buy into an army you end up hating, trade it for marines. A box or two of tactical marines can be kitbashed into any other marine unit. The problem is no other army gets any where close to that level of support, so if your favorite side army ends up lack luster, you are fucked for years.
 
Is that one pedophile still in Stringstorm? Memory holed them until recently as one of their songs was still in my playlist. I don't like how they tried to sweep this under the rug and how they even got away with it because "oh there's multiple people in Stringstorm" despite the pedophile still being in the group when they made their "update" videos. Wondering if they quietly removed them.
I know that I can separate art from the artist, but honestly? I don't think I can even listen to Stringstorm anymore. I think Bruva Alfabusa also cut ties with them over it.
 
Source: 4chan

I keep seeing this as constant COPE and SNEEDING to ignore the gradual shittification of 40k. The art is being less grim dark, the main models releases are looking poor, and the stories are becoming as dull as modern Hollywood. It amazes me how so many 40k fans will not understand they’re a frog in a boiling pot and justify the temperature increases.

Thats okay I’ll keep playing that garbage and pick up proxies.
We get it you like Night Lords you dont need to larp as their doomer mentality either
 
Canonically? No one cares. The important thing is that you're human, it doesn't matter what colour you are or what chromosomes you have. The hellish nature of everyday existence in the Warhammer 40,000 universe has, ironically, actually been a real boon for racial and sexual politics, because everybody has more pressing things to worry about.

However, that's a bit of a Thermian Argument, because honestly? You know and I know and everybody knows exactly why the artistic decision was made to depict that character as a black woman.

I don't actually have a problem with it, lorewise - the Astra Militarum ultimately just wants more meat for the grinder at the end of the day - but from a marketing perspective, I'm just noticing it more and more, and, frankly, it's starting to rankle and strike me as cynical pandering. I hasten to add that I'm not saying that I don't think there should EVER be a black protagonist or a female protagonist, it's just...

Well, it'd be nice to see a new Astra Militarum book come out from Black Library and it NOT have the most prominent person on the front cover be a woman in military fatigues.

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Oh, but of course, she still has to be somewhat conventionally attractive, though, because they made Ursula Creed look like Miss Trunchbull, and nobody liked that.
Im a bit late but its kinda funny how the female commissar Severina Raine was attempted to be astroturfed to the point where they gave her a model as a promo for her book

They introduce it with so much fanfare as if its starting a brand spanking new series but as far as i know, only a book and a single short story have been released since, compared to Ciaphas Cain's 12 novels, with the most recent one being from last year, Cain also had atleast one notable female character that has potential for a cool model with Amberley Vail, they could easily Gaunts Ghosts them and give you a pack with Cain, Amberly, Jurgen and Rakel (Amberly's big tittied psyker adjuntant, Cain always mentions her big tits)

For Severina's fancy model in 9th, the special rules they bundled with her miniature are also bad (autopass morale for units within 6" if SHE is within 1" of an enemy alongside the Comissar execution rule) They also fucked up and gave her a regular sword instead of a power sword, no refractor field so no 5+ invuln save too. So a unit from a ranged army that gets benefits from being within melee range is weaker than her generic equivalent. The only real upside is that she was a whopping 5 points cheaper than a regular commissar.
They didnt bring her back as a bespoke character for 10th

 
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Im a bit late but its kinda funny how the female commissar Severina Raine was attempted to be astroturfed to the point where they gave her a model as a promo for her book
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/17/introducing-commissar-severina-raine/
They introduce it with so much fanfare as if its starting a brand spanking new series but as far as i know, only a book and a single short story have been released since, compared to Ciaphas Cain's 12 novels

Meanwhile, over in Fantasy, my bitch, Genevieve Dieudonne, who has been in several very popular Black Library novels which I used to ravenously devour as a young Miriam and which were only fairly recently reissued as part of the Warhammer Horror line, STILL doesn't have a miniature, but Sevvy Comelately, the Astra Militarum's new poster girl? Oh yeah, we'll do one for her, she's had a whole one book out!
 
Meanwhile, over in Fantasy, my bitch, Genevieve Dieudonne, who has been in several very popular Black Library novels which I used to ravenously devour as a young Miriam and which were only fairly recently reissued as part of the Warhammer Horror line, STILL doesn't have a miniature, but Sevvy Comelately, the Astra Militarum's new poster girl? Oh yeah, we'll do one for her, she's had a whole one book out!
Minka Lesk's model is also only intended to be a Sergeant in a unit of Cadian Shocktroops funnily enough, and somewhat a bit more meatier as a command squad member, but not by much, some people just use her model to kitbash Mira from the Space Marine vidya as a Cadian Castellan
 
Meanwhile, over in Fantasy, my bitch, Genevieve Dieudonne, who has been in several very popular Black Library novels which I used to ravenously devour as a young Miriam and which were only fairly recently reissued as part of the Warhammer Horror line, STILL doesn't have a miniature, but Sevvy Comelately, the Astra Militarum's new poster girl? Oh yeah, we'll do one for her, she's had a whole one book out!
What's that you want the Valhalla and 591st as models screw you.
What's that you want blood pack troopers so you can play both sides of the crusade screw all of you.
You know what everyone wants 900 extra models of 600 different space marine chapters genius.
The ghosts get one model set.
Half of those characters die in the first five novels.
Commissar Ibram Gaunt in the newest set has a chainsword even though he loses his chainsword by the second novel and he's using a power sword which is a relic.
And that's for all the other regiments that appear in those novels what you actually wanna evolve pony blue blood model set or any of the other cool regiments die in a hole.
Saint Sabbat sorry she's not getting a model either


we here at GW will never make large amounts of models for most successful black library series

Sabbat Worlds crusader​

sets there's a never coming out but you can get squats remember squats the thing everyone wanted come on please buy
 
God, you know who I would buy in a heartbeat if they brought out models? @AncientPhosphur just reminded me.

First Claw.
Talos, Cyrion, Uzas, Xarl, maybe even Septimus and Octavia too, while we're dreaming, why not? They'd make such a fun little squad for a Night Lords army, or maybe a kill team on their own?

It also makes me really sad that my best boy, Torgaddon, has never had a Horus Heresy model. He was the best one out of all the Mournival. All the banter, all the time. All the other members got models - Loken, Abaddon and now Little Horus. Where's the love for TorLADdon?
 
First Claw.
Talos, Cyrion, Uzas, Xarl, maybe even Septimus and Octavia too, while we're dreaming, why not? They'd make such a fun little squad for a Night Lords army, or maybe a kill team on their own?
Someone did a pretty decent job modeling First Claw

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Their stuff from 4 years ago like their krieg rap thing and the adepta sororitas song that actually got millions of views come off as being far higher quality.
Ironically the lower production stuff when it was made by only a few people is better quality than the new shit with the new team.
"In ashen wastes where embers glows, steel legionnaires advance in rows
In fires glow their might behold, on treads of wrath to war they go"
Lol the fuck is this? I had to read that twice.
Pedophile in Stringstorm? First time I've heard of this. Have a post or something talking about it?
(Why am I replying in reverse?)
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He was really just sorry he got caught which a few people actually mentioned. There's also plebbitors of course defending him and going "he served his sentence, he's redeemed!" and whatnot.
Fuck I love Night Lords.
 
Any recent 40K books that are good?
Most of the traitor Primarch novels are good. Actually most of the Primarch novels are good except Guilliman's and Vulcan's.

Krieg and Seige of Vraks by Steve Lyon are great.

The Deathwatch omnibus I am reading is a lot of fun. I just started it though.

The Iron Hands duology is very good look into the modern chapter. There are assholes. Possibly the biggest group of assholes of the first founders. Dark Angels and Space Wolves are more pleasant to people than the Iron Hands.

The Ravenor omnibus is okay. Ravenor is said to be a powerful psyker but is placed in a lot of bullshit situations where he all of a sudden cannot use his psyker ablities. Also Ravenor seething whenever his companions have sex with each other is creepy and hilarious. I feel like Ravenor is a terrible Inquisitor as he is a very moral and kind person (for a 40k).

Genefather is a lot of fun with Cawl and Bile having a big nerd fight. Both characters do not really interact enough.

Fabius Bile Trilogy is excellent but Josh Reynolds is my favorite Black Library author. Great characterization and fun moments with Fabius and his Consortium. But it does have a weird female space marine. No it does not make sense in the novels either.

Luther is good. It is just the story of Luther in his jail cell telling his life story to the Dark Angels chapter masters that interrogate him. I think he is trying to give life lessons to the space marines but the space marines cannot understand and will not him.

Valdor is literally the only book I have read that gave him an actual character. Books good and I kind of wish that he more character moments in the novella.

I try to avoid anything by Mike Brooks because seems to add in lesbians a lot and ADB always tries to sneak in a rape of a female. Like once was odd but two times with the same series (Night Lords).
 
I feel like Ravenor is a terrible Inquisitor as he is a very moral and kind person (for a 40k).
Which is why I like it, because he's so morally conflicted at times about what's right versus... well, what's right. Eisenhorn was the same way (emphasis on the was part) which is what makes his fall from grace all the more emotional.
Fabius Bile Trilogy is excellent but Josh Reynolds is my favorite Black Library author. Great characterization and fun moments with Fabius and his Consortium. But it does have a weird female space marine. No it does not make sense in the novels either.
I mean, if she was created by Bile... seems like the sort of thing he'd do just for the hell of it.
Luther is good. It is just the story of Luther in his jail cell telling his life story to the Dark Angels chapter masters that interrogate him. I think he is trying to give life lessons to the space marines but the space marines cannot understand and will not him.
Angels of Darkness with Chaplain Boreas and Astelan the Fallen is the same way. Astelan spends his whole interrogation telling Boreas how fucked up the Dark Angels are from their penchant for secret-keeping, only to get proven right at the end.
 
Ironically the lower production stuff when it was made by only a few people is better quality than the new shit with the new team.
I don't think the newer stuff is higher production quality, and like I said I don't think there's a "team" behind it anymore either.
Lol the fuck is this? I had to read that twice.
Yeah, that kind of shit is why I think this person is using AI at a minimum to write lyrics or just has no understanding of how to do so and had been relying on someone else previously.
Most of the traitor Primarch novels are good. Actually most of the Primarch novels are good except Guilliman's and Vulcan's.
Those are definitely the worst two.
 
I don't think the newer stuff is higher production quality, and like I said I don't think there's a "team" behind it anymore either.
I may have worded it poorly so let me reword it. The older stuff that is lower production is higher quality, limitation breeds creativity...sometimes. I'm pretty sure it was originally the one guy who had "hirelings" but eventually became an actual team.
Yeah, that kind of shit is why I think this person is using AI at a minimum to write lyrics or just has no understanding of how to do so and had been relying on someone else previously.
I'd ask around but I'd probably be told to suck a lemon on Plebbit and 4chan...hmm, maybe. Doubt I'll get answers on DakkaDakka since it's mostly the wargaming side, and I don't know much about " Bolter and Chainsword" but I can try. I dislike making accounts but if it drives conversation...
Most of the traitor Primarch novels are good. Actually most of the Primarch novels are good except Guilliman's and Vulcan's.
What's the best one in your opinion? Haven't got around to reading the books lately, will remember to pirate a few sometime...
Played a session for the first time in months yesterday. Forgot how much fun it is.
What army? I haven't gotten an army fully together yet and I haven't played Tabletop Simulator in years.
 

Gaunt's Ghosts​

all of the books are good accept the books that followed the really boring points of the infiltration teams I don't know what it is with Dan avnet but he spends an extremely long amount of time describing every single tiny detail of unnecessary scenery.

First and Only
is actually in my opinion one of the weaker novels even though it's the first one it tries to go over way too much information.
Also I really didn't like all of the unnecessary subplots they were kinda boring.

Necropolis​

one of my favorite novels in the series so far I generally like how it shows the imperial guard has a problem with idiots taking positions of command and how the local government council screws up the imperial guards plans.

Honour Guard
one of the best novels because it sets up a lot of the later novels also it's the first time you see the Ibram Gaunt
snap it also introduces the 2nd Viktor Hark who's generally a fun character because it contrasts well with more relax leadership.

The Guns of Tanith
to be honest it's a pretty weak novel if it wasn't stuff that sets up the next two novels I'd say skip it
Straight Silver
one of the better novels but the problem with this one is it kind of just drags on you're like OK see each guns people dying nothing interesting is going on always having a vision ohh he shoots a bunch of people look he did the commissar thing

Sabbat Martyr
honestly the last novel I finished in the series I'm still working on finishing the rest probably one of the best novels so far had a good mix of action and you generally feel bad for the characters that die which I'm not going to specify case anybody wants to read it then again spoiling like 19 year old books disappoint sorry not that much of a deal
 

Gaunt's Ghosts​

all of the books are good accept the books that followed the really boring points of the infiltration teams I don't know what it is with Dan avnet but he spends an extremely long amount of time describing every single tiny detail of unnecessary scenery.

First and Only
is actually in my opinion one of the weaker novels even though it's the first one it tries to go over way too much information.
Also I really didn't like all of the unnecessary subplots they were kinda boring.

Necropolis​

one of my favorite novels in the series so far I generally like how it shows the imperial guard has a problem with idiots taking positions of command and how the local government council screws up the imperial guards plans.

Honour Guard
one of the best novels because it sets up a lot of the later novels also it's the first time you see the Ibram Gaunt
snap it also introduces the 2nd Viktor Hark who's generally a fun character because it contrasts well with more relax leadership.

The Guns of Tanith
to be honest it's a pretty weak novel if it wasn't stuff that sets up the next two novels I'd say skip it
Straight Silver
one of the better novels but the problem with this one is it kind of just drags on you're like OK see each guns people dying nothing interesting is going on always having a vision ohh he shoots a bunch of people look he did the commissar thing

Sabbat Martyr
honestly the last novel I finished in the series I'm still working on finishing the rest probably one of the best novels so far had a good mix of action and you generally feel bad for the characters that die which I'm not going to specify case anybody wants to read it then again spoiling like 19 year old books disappoint sorry not that much of a deal
I'm not sure I'd recommend the third trilogy, it has some cool moments but a lot of the modern Dan Abnett writing sins starts rearing their head.
 
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