Warhammer 40k

[ShitLurker]

Yeah, I also saw a kirioth thumbnail for a video where he fangirls about the lore or whatever the hell for it.

GW is not my friend, and I'm not a friend of their's. I'd like to see someone knock them down a peg with a system that actually gets played, but this astroturf for trench crusade is way too obvious, and it's fucking cringe. They'd have been better off having these youtube channels actually stagger this shit out over the course of a couple of months instead of flooding the platform over the span of a couple of weeks.

It's the miniature grifting PR rounds. This mean jackshit if they don't post any content from the game after. Newest example was Warcrow, that shit got astroturfed to hell and back, how do I know? Because you cannot find almost any single video that isn't 3 months old about the game from any of the channels with more traffic and anything newer is just unboxings or painting stuff at most. No battle reports beyond "demo". That means nobody gives a shit, or at least not in the youtube spehere. Mordian Glory still made Bolt Action videos even before he started getting glazed by Warlord Games. You cannot fake enthusiasm, best you can do by paying influencers is to give it a try and hope it triggers one of their tisms.

This thing will be forgotten hard unless they keep injecting cash or people actually like it and I'm more inclined that it will be the former over the latter. It's still a skirmish wargame of which the sector has a dime a dozen. I haven't paid much attention outside of the miniatures, but what makes it be special as a game?

Sperging on the 28-Mag bullshit

Two times the Tranch Crusade people have had power hungry discord trannies shit up the community.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Two times the Tranch Crusade people have had power hungry discord trannies shit up the community.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...

Fair point.

I myself picked up the rulebook (cause I like nice books). I talked myself out of the STLs cause they wanted $400 for the fucking things. Which is... ok I get it, they need to pay the designers and artists, but jesus christ.

 

[ShitLurker]

Fair point.

I myself picked up the rulebook (cause I like nice books). I talked myself out of the STLs cause they wanted $400 for the fucking things. Which is... ok I get it, they need to pay the designers and artists, but jesus christ.

I did consider it, but I recently got the bolt action v3 rulebook and I'm still reading through it, without even knowing if I'll actually play, so I'm not in that much of a hurry. I'm also a sucker for nice rulebooks, so not discounting maybe getting it in the future if it suddenly does become something relevant. It's just that I don't expect it to be anything more than a flash in the pan except for a few game clubs that go all in on it.

I also considered maybe getting in purely for some models, but I want physical, not STLs and the prices aren't exactly making me go "gaga". And I already have a chonky pile of shame anyway to last me a year or two of a few hours a week.

 

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

I talked myself out of the STLs cause they wanted $400 for the fucking things.

Were they for all the models, or for a singular army? I guess they're trying to compete with Geedubs prices.

I just looked at the kickstarter, the $400 price @HTTP Error 404 was talking about was specifically for a physical book, plus the STLs for all the models. You could alternatively pay $45 for the book, $67 for the book and STLs of a warband of your choice, or $85 for the book and printed models of a warband of your choice.

There are 6 warbands with roughly 12 models each and they specifically say you do not get the STLs alongside the $85 pledge. The $400 pledge is a massive scam because it may give you access to all the models, but one book. You're looking at a little over $200 purchase ($85 minus the $45 book, times 6 for each warband is $210) they slapped another $200 dollars on. It gets worse if you look at higher pledges.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

Both the Kreig stuff and Aeldari stuff is great, I love it when they release stuff that looks fun to paint. 2025 looks to be starting very strong, I was going to pick up some guard stuff too but I think I will wait for this.

 

[daniel day]

I just looked at the kickstarter, the $400 price @HTTP Error 404 was talking about was specifically for a physical book, plus the STLs for all the models. You could alternatively pay $45 for the book, $67 for the book and STLs of a warband of your choice, or $85 for the book and printed models of a warband of your choice.

There are 6 warbands with roughly 12 models each and they specifically say you do not get the STLs alongside the $85 pledge. The $400 pledge is a massive scam because it may give you access to all the models, but one book. You're looking at a little over $200 purchase ($85 minus the $45 book, times 6 for each warband is $210) they slapped another $200 dollars on. It gets worse if you look at higher pledges.

There are better models out there that can be used for actual games that people play, that don't cost $400. If I were really interested in any of the models I'd just use them as proxies for IG, not as actual Tranch Crusade models. I see basically none of the warhammer youtubers that are usually hyper-critical of GW talking about Tranch Crusade either besides the typical "IS THIS THE NEW WARHAMMER KILLER?" like this is early 2000s FPS shooters with Halo. This game feels dead in the water, not to mention the fact that they have no real store presence anywhere. It's all online only, and the tranny retards that actually want to play the game and see people that want to play the game are all terminally online. TC would be better off making a TTRPG simulator alongside their game to get people introduced to the mechanics and the models than trying to compete with GW, when GW already has the logistics, the factories, the 40 years experience, and the storefronts. That's not even mentioning the lore. Every person has heard "The Golden Throne", "Blood for the Blood God", or any of the other dozen memes WH has had enter the wider public zeitgeist over their 40 year run, I can't name a single TC lore tidbit besides "Warhammer but edgier, somehow."

The game doesnt even look bad, I'm sure it's very fun and playable, but I think TC focused too much on the game and the models and forgot that a company lives and dies by its ability to actually reach a consumer. TC's marketing is basically nonexistant, and relies heavily on people owning and operating a 3d printer, which is another niche interest, or paying extra to 3d print the models theyve already spent $100-$400 dollars on.

 

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

Let the troons leave our hobby. The based retards have won in the end.

 

[ZMOT]

Sure, but most LGS would need to build a room for that, Have a slightly negative air pressure ventilation system in the room, now suddenly deal with OSHA or whatever the local equivalent is for a store where employees are normally just selling MTG cards, PPE gear for anyone that goes in that room, because they're a business proper storage and treatment of things as hazmat, etc.

I'm not talking about spinning up a whole operation to compete online, I'm talking about supplying local demand unless you want to be forever a third-party GW store with some WOTC shit on the side or vice versa.
OHSA won't give a fuck if 1-2 printers are running in your mom's garden shed, if they even have regulations for handling resin in the first place. you're more likely to get snitched on for selling models without a merchant's license.

however the point is moot anyway since this exists now:

https://www.onepagerules.com/news/opr-holiday-bundles---first-time-in-physical

 

[p1138]

I'm not talking about spinning up a whole operation to compete online, I'm talking about supplying local demand unless you want to be forever a third-party GW store with some WOTC shit on the side or vice versa.
OHSA won't give a fuck if 1-2 printers are running in your mom's garden shed, if they even have regulations for handling resin in the first place. you're more likely to get snitched on for selling models without a merchant's license.

however the point is moot anyway since this exists now:

https://www.onepagerules.com/news/opr-holiday-bundles---first-time-in-physical

Sure, running a couple printers in your shed isn't something anyone is going to be talking about. But when it comes to doing something in the store, with employees, and municipal regulations/zoning, insurance, etc. those absolutely can come into play. If you do own a shop and leave the 3d printing bit for the shop at home, then yes it's a matter of getting snitched on for selling shit you may or may not have licenses to be selling but then you're also bringing work home and the entirety of the 3d printing mess at home becomes work.

And good on them for having to sense to come up with a product that could actually be at retail(these boxes seem to be limited but they've got a survey for retailers at the bottom). Hell, they even included how to play the game so they're already ahead of what steamforged games did with their new warmachine starter boxes.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

You need chunky Amiibo models that double as collectable figures. The hobby aspect would have to get cut in favor of premade models out of the box

This rings true. HeroClix is (or was) successful by doing exactly that. X-wing dropped the hobby aspects too and it was almost competing with 40k for a while.

art by the guy who invented the Grimdark style that 40k used to use

Is Blanche involved in any official capacity? I thought he'd retired fully, and that he'd just converted and painted a few models for the current buzz about the system. As far as I can tell, this is Mike Franchina's project and he's kept a firm grip on the art.

 

[augment]

X-wing's tale is just tragic. It was nearly as popular as 40K at one point and being played everywhere, then, it's bought by atomic mass games, who then proceed to screw up all of the rules and not release any new miniatures.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

X-wing's tale is just tragic. It was nearly as popular as 40K at one point and being played everywhere, then, it's bought by atomic mass games, who then proceed to screw up all of the rules and not release any new miniatures.

I think the problem with Star Wars IP is there’s a set amount of model releases you could do. Same as the Halo tabletop. Once it gets to a point you’re just not bringing in new people, not selling models, and it’s dead in the water.

Having said that I’d kill for some Halo Fleet models and game.

 

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

I think the problem with Star Wars IP is there’s a set amount of model releases you could do. Same as the Halo tabletop. Once it gets to a point you’re just not bringing in new people, not selling models, and it’s dead in the water.

Having said that I’d kill for some Halo Fleet models and game.

I'm sure Halo Space battles would be fun, but all these air/space battles seem to just struggle. Even GW's Aeronautica Imperialis struggles, as nobody wants to play the xenos factions. Even when they give T'au and Orks rules to use Imperial ships, most people still don't want to touch it.
These sorts of games do better on PC, Warthunder and WoT give people more control over the vehicles they love. While I'm not really into those games, I would consider playing a 40k/Star Wars/Halo version.

 

[The tired cat]

When it comes to TC, am I only one who gets this odd "Nah, ya tots want in this thing son! Look, this setting is SO dark and edgy! An its all super cerial! Unlike that Warhammer with its Orks that make shit with imagination or the crazy rats that make warpstone nukes! This is for the big boyz! The cool kids" vibe from all the shilling some youtubers are doing?

 

[p1138]

X-wing's tale is just tragic. It was nearly as popular as 40K at one point and being played everywhere, then, it's bought by atomic mass games, who then proceed to screw up all of the rules and not release any new miniatures.

AMG didn't buy it. Asmodee shuffled around which subsidiaries were doing what, and handed it to AMG.

I think the problem with Star Wars IP is there’s a set amount of model releases you could do. Same as the Halo tabletop. Once it gets to a point you’re just not bringing in new people, not selling models, and it’s dead in the water.

And that's the real issue. Without Disney being willing to allow anyone to go to the old republic or some other era, you're basically stuck with the movie era and that's a limited number of ships, characters, etc. that will run out. For something like Legion or Shatterpoint(which doesn't seem to be doing so well for another reason I'll get to) you can at least re-release the same characters in different outfits and poses like marvel crisis protocol can get away with. With x-wing you're getting to the point of putting different colored racing stripes on the same ships and trying to pretend they're something different, when they don't even have different loadouts for variation like Battletech.

Shatterpoint I think had an issue of annoying some people with zero overlap from legion due to the scale difference, and then zero overlap with terrain to play the game with. Generic enough looking 32mm sci-fi type stuff would have worked, but when ladders, doors, etc. need to fit the larger scale and just using MCP terrain won't look right, you've got kind of a mess.

x-wing shit the bed with it's 2.0 release due to the cards and base changes that people were expected to go out and buy. Some of that would have been fine, but they asked for too much. It's pretty funny that Legion had a 2.0 release this summer that they're still desperately not trying to call a 2.0 due to the bad rap x-wing 2.0 received.

Having said that I’d kill for some Halo Fleet models and game.

Yeah but they'd end up running out of models quicker than star wars did for x-wing and armada though.

I'm sure Halo Space battles would be fun, but all these air/space battles seem to just struggle. Even GW's Aeronautica Imperialis struggles, as nobody wants to play the xenos factions. Even when they give T'au and Orks rules to use Imperial ships, most people still don't want to touch it.
These sorts of games do better on PC, Warthunder and WoT give people more control over the vehicles they love. While I'm not really into those games, I would consider playing a 40k/Star Wars/Halo version.

Or it's because the half of T'au, Eldar, and Necron(all of it as I recall) stuff was forgeworld and no one wanted to pay those prices for a niche game. Even a couple of the ork and imperial models(and it's not like there were that many to begin with for xenos) for that game were forgeworld models.

When it comes to TC, am I only one who gets this odd "Nah, ya tots want in this thing son! Look, this setting is SO dark and edgy! An its all super cerial! Unlike that Warhammer with its Orks that make shit with imagination or the crazy rats that make warpstone nukes! This is for the big boyz! The cool kids" vibe from all the shilling some youtubers are doing?

No, you're not the only one seeing that, but it's also trying to fit the "grimdark" niche that GW hasn't been super into for the past 20 years at this point.

Well, we got renders for EC heads

 

[Humble Architect]

God I love opening this thread and seeing nothing but Troon Crusade shitting it up.

Those helmets are sexy as hell, cool that the one on the right seems to be loosely inspired by Telemachon, while the middle is a 1:1 update of the finecast helmet in the current upgrade kit.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

theres a Community Watch thread for general tabletop community/company spergery thats not discussion of the genre as a whole or 40k, i think it would be prudent to move some of the more unrelated TC shittery there

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tabletop-community-watch.82392/

ive made a couple posts about the recent reddit tism and the general responses towards it

Indie tabletop game turned smash Kickstarter success Trench Crusade has had a random reddit post actually reach a substantial amount of likes (i.e the leddit is normally dead) where the poster calls out the "unofficial-official" (its pretty much the official discord, the main devs behind the game are in it and major updates/beta rules are posted there) discord for having shit moderation

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/s/ApKcTz3Xvd https://archive.is/emXWe
This is only really notable because of Trench Crusade's massive success and the fact that the Discord was the main battleground for a culture war moment where trannies purged a bunch of Warhammer fans from their community because of "vibes" and allegedly some stalking some users' twitter for wrongthink.
I posted an overview of that debacle back in May
Once again a reminder to literally any creative that discord is poison albeit a highly entertaining one to the outsider looking in

It seems like the main retard being named as the head janny in charge is the server creator, some retard named ryan

Funnily enough, people are complaining he didnt sperg out when he was bitched at that Storm of Steel was written by a Nazi, even a basic Wikipedia skim, fucking Wikipedia of all sources, tells you that said Nazi was against the Nazi party and only joined it for political/military purposes, and even tried to kill Hitler Link

This "WatchingJork23" fella seems to be a big proponent of the discord being shit, in a fit of irony, in spite of the first TC schism being over people calling people Nazis over the wholesome chungus aztecs, they still accuse the current team of shitting on natives

Overall, its a great example of retards eating their own when everyone has increasingly pedantic takes on a complex subject, and often just for retarded idelogical reasons
Although im now thinking there are some gay ops afoot considering how hard they try to pin the Ryan guy with isms.

 

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

Well, we got renders for EC heads

Prepare thyne anuses.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

God I love opening this thread and seeing nothing but Troon Crusade shitting it up.

Those helmets are sexy as hell, cool that the one on the right seems to be loosely inspired by Telemachon, while the middle is a 1:1 update of the finecast helmet in the current upgrade kit.

I'm definitely digging the vibe so far. Hopefully the new sonic blasters and doom sirens look equally kickass.

 

[Humble Architect]

I'm definitely digging the vibe so far. Hopefully the new sonic blasters and doom sirens look equally kickass.

I love how the helmets have the cracked out eyes that are bugging out of the helmet

I got a good feeling