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Did anyone watch Lutein's Tau ruling the galaxy video? I'm wondering how cancer it is since tau fans usually have them be immune to the hard decisions in the setting.

So now they're just really technologically advanced abhumans who worship some kooky AI "ancestors" without any of the actual dwarf aesthetics to them.
We wanted Space Dwarves and instead got 5"11 in power armor.
 
Enough to obfuscate a non-inquisitorial investigation, anyways.
Well, there's your first problem.
the Heretek Turducken
And there's your second about to rear its ugly head. The plan's still flawless with no downsides at all, but it just needs some minor corrective precautions taken before it can begin.
But the thing is, he doesn't seem to be too concerned since he showed up surrounded by our ship's crew in a dock and not arresting my rogue trader with his agents.
There's every chance he's curious as to how deep the rabbit hole goes, since collaborating with xenos is one thing the Ordo Xenos actually does a lot of. Since they're dealing with external, physical threats as opposed to traitors, heretics, and the Warp they're allowed and even required to be a lot more flexible in their approaches since xenos can be useful in their own foul ways, and there's no shame in playing one foe off against another.
Did anyone watch Lutein's Tau ruling the galaxy video? I'm wondering how cancer it is since tau fans usually have them be immune to the hard decisions in the setting.
Funny, I actually liked the fact that starting in late 7e shit started getting real for them and they realized they had to grit their teeth and start fighting like devils for every single square inch of barely-habitable soil out past their relatively-safe core holdings. One of my fav pieces of Tau art has a battle-hardened Fire Warrior casually eating some rations in a trench, giving zero fucks about anything but their meal despite the pockmarks and impact craters in their armor as a FNG with pristine kit tries to avoid shitting themselves next to them.
 
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I bought Nuln Oil as I was told it's basically liquid skill in a bottle. I tried it when I first started out and hated how it stained the whole model.
Look into Panel Liner from Gundam Modeling. They're not water based, but basically they're nuln-oil like things that JUST seep into the panel grooves.


That second video has both the Tamiya ones I was thinking of as well as using modern acryllics instead.

I think T'au were very obviously based on Gundam and so some of their techniques make sense to use on their minis. I've never liked the "dirty" look that GW washes give, and especially hate that step three of their guides are always "now re-paint everything we fucked up with the nuln oil".
 
I've never liked the "dirty" look that GW washes give,
"muh grimdark!" which somehow just means filthy all the time for some people
and especially hate that step three of their guides are always "now re-paint everything we fucked up with the nuln oil".
You mean GW instructing people to use more of their paint? Can't imagine why they'd do that lol.

There's actually a pretty crazy lineup of gunpla hobby related tools/techniques/etc. that have been slowly trickling into miniature hobbies in the west for a few years now. Sure they aren't the cheapest thing(you can do a pinwash with a tiny bit of oil paint thinned way down with mineral spirits or even lighter fluid as well but that's more of an old scale model painting trick) but some of 'em are just convenient.
 
Just lead him into Tau space and disable his engine and leave him for dead?
That may work. If he turns out to be an ultra-radical, I did plan on bringing him to visit the Protectorate since planets with Tau openly serving the Imperium is right up an ultra-radical ordo xenos inquisitor's alley and Mr. Rogue Trader would very much like to prove the value of his ideology to an Inquisitor. Worst case scenario, if he's turbo pissed, we pretend we're oblivious to that fact, tell him we have something even more to show him, get him out into Tau space and strand him there.
Well, there's your first problem.

And there's your second about to rear its ugly head. The plan's still flawless with no downsides at all, but it just needs some minor corrective precautions taken before it can begin.

There's every chance he's curious as to how deep the rabbit hole goes, since collaborating with xenos is one thing the Ordo Xenos actually does a lot of. Since they're dealing with external, physical threats as opposed to traitors, heretics, and the Warp they're allowed and even required to be a lot more flexible in their approaches since xenos can be useful in their own foul ways, and there's no shame in playing one foe off against another.
The Heretek Turducken hasn't happened yet so it won't be a problem. The chaos cult and tzeentsch-daemon? on board are, however, but they can be obfuscated for the meantime. Mr. Rogue Trader only read about Imperial Protectorates once in a textbook decades ago and doesn't actually know if a) they're still legal and b) if he's even allowed to create them. His argument is that since his warrant is signed by the Emperor, he doesn't have to listen to the High Lords and any new fangled laws they've come up with since the Great Crusade.

I think he will enjoy the story of how we got Cap'n Goldtoof out of our hair by sending him hurtling after some tau ships we promised were full of Kroot that they didn't want him to krump, though.
 
The Heretek Turducken hasn't happened yet so it won't be a problem. The chaos cult and tzeentsch-daemon? on board are, however, but they can be obfuscated for the meantime. Mr. Rogue Trader only read about Imperial Protectorates once in a textbook decades ago and doesn't actually know if a) they're still legal and b) if he's even allowed to create them. His argument is that since his warrant is signed by the Emperor, he doesn't have to listen to the High Lords and any new fangled laws they've come up with since the Great Crusade.

I think he will enjoy the story of how we got Cap'n Goldtoof out of our hair by sending him hurtling after some tau ships we promised were full of Kroot that they didn't want him to krump, though.
Well, him being around means you can't start work on the Heretek Turducken quite yet, so him sticking his nose into things is an issue there.

As to the protectorates, well, if you can get the Inquisitor to sign off on it as Emperor-approved you're golden so long as nobody finds out afterwards.

The cult stuff really needs to be hidden from him, but since one of his retinue was spotted sneaking around you should prepare to kill everyone just in case, cultists included since they've clearly outlived their usefulness and you can always find more out there.
 
Well, him being around means you can't start work on the Heretek Turducken quite yet, so him sticking his nose into things is an issue there.

As to the protectorates, well, if you can get the Inquisitor to sign off on it as Emperor-approved you're golden so long as nobody finds out afterwards.

The cult stuff really needs to be hidden from him, but since one of his retinue was spotted sneaking around you should prepare to kill everyone just in case, cultists included since they've clearly outlived their usefulness and you can always find more out there.
Oh no, the adept wasn't sneaking around, he was invited on our ship along with that Harlequin. He was just obviously there to spy on us for the inquisitor. But yes, I have a plan to de-vvitchify the ship, and it involves a power sword, shutting off of power armor, and a whole lot of bolter fire. That should only be necessary if the adept didn't realize he wasn't a sanctioned psyker through his disguise.

I hadn't considered getting the inquisitor to sign off on it, honestly. That would be extremely useful. I might be able to hold getting him a battlesuit hostage partly for that favor. I just hope we don't need to kill the Inquisitor. That'd expedite our plans far too much and the Rogue Trader confederation isn't yet organized.
 
That may work. If he turns out to be an ultra-radical, I did plan on bringing him to visit the Protectorate since planets with Tau openly serving the Imperium is right up an ultra-radical ordo xenos inquisitor's alley and Mr. Rogue Trader would very much like to prove the value of his ideology to an Inquisitor. Worst case scenario, if he's turbo pissed, we pretend we're oblivious to that fact, tell him we have something even more to show him, get him out into Tau space and strand him there.
The only issues I see is Tau may not take the bait and destroy him but board and capture and later release. Or he has a network in the Tau human auxiliary. Last time we got into a similar situation in Dark Heresy the DM’s said they had a telepath on board who relayed our betrayal and on our next planetside trip we had to deal with PDF because the governor was trading chaos artifacts with the rogue trader
 
The only issues I see is Tau may not take the bait and destroy him but board and capture and later release. Or he has a network in the Tau human auxiliary. Last time we got into a similar situation in Dark Heresy the DM’s said they had a telepath on board who relayed our betrayal and on our next planetside trip we had to deal with PDF because the governor was trading chaos artifacts with the rogue trader
I don't think it's likely he had much of a network since the closest worlds were all controlled by cold trading rogue trader houses before the tau rolled in when they were cut off by warp storms but a distinct possibility. I think worst case scenario, we just board the vessel, kill everyone on board, and send the thing careening into a nearby warp storm. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that. And I know, at least, that the foundling worlds wouldn't turn against us if the word got out since "Guy who is happy to let them keep living alongside the tau they befriended and keep their standard of living" versus likely mass executions by the Imperium seems like a simple choice.

There are few things more powerful than a Rogue Trader, and an Inquisitor is one of them.
Between an anti-theist ideologue rogue trader, an explorator who doesn't believe the Emperor is the Omnissiah and is happy to commit tech heresy, and, potentially, an ultra-radical inquisitor, we could have the makings of a proper minor Imperial conspiracy.
 
I don't do Tau but I get a lot of use out of 0.05 and 0.1 Faber Castell Ecco fineliners for very fine line work without "do the wash and then fucking fade the basecoat back in over the top" bullshit. Won't work for everything fairly obviously, but they do have their uses.
 
If you are ready to join the adults at the table, you can also get a tube of oil paint and a small bottle of odorless oil thinners.

Coat your miniature in gloss varnish. It must glossy, satin or matte won't work.

Prepare a 1:2 solution (watery but not too runny) and apply as pin-wash (tip of a small brush, let capillary action carry the paint) to all recesses. Do not let it completely dry, and with a cotton swab soaked in thinner remove the excess. You now have a model making skill that is useful for vehicles, buildings and even other stuff like tank and aircraft modelling.

Some of my oil color choices for pin washing are: dark grey (for whites), burn umber (for some yellows and oranges), black (for blues and dark greens), scarlet (for some oranges), and cadmium blue (for lighter blues, turquoises and lighter greens). So long as you apply these washes over a gloss coat, you can erase and start over. Cured acrylic paint stands well to oils (it's a different story with enamels though, watch out)
 
There were Guardsman army lists including Squats as Abhuman specialist troops, along with Ogryns, Ratlings, and Beastmen, (which they called something else. but effectively they were the same thing as Chaos beastmen, just in Imperial colours).
They should really bring back imperial beasts men that was a fun thing to play friend of mine has the old oy models painted in those colors the super cool why couldn't be smen think the emperor was a chill dude.


you may have the greater good and railguns but do you have a 10 ft tall mandatory covered in sale might plates with power shielding charging at your face
 
If you haven't tried using glass files. They are a huge game changer, way less work than sandpaper. I just bought the cheapest set off temu.
 
Look into Panel Liner from Gundam Modeling. They're not water based, but basically they're nuln-oil like things that JUST seep into the panel grooves.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4PeYlSULfqEhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=uMrtjjjny_g
That second video has both the Tamiya ones I was thinking of as well as using modern acryllics instead.

I think T'au were very obviously based on Gundam and so some of their techniques make sense to use on their minis. I've never liked the "dirty" look that GW washes give, and especially hate that step three of their guides are always "now re-paint everything we fucked up with the nuln oil".
I actually own some of that panel liner. It was recommended to me by my brother and yeah it does work pretty well. I used it on my crisis suits, but a lot of other models don't have groves deep enough to actually hold it. I still need a solution for fire warriors for instance. I ended up going back and painted over the panel lines in favor of the full wash. I thought, at least with my colors, the black lining was too harsh. In a month I'll probably change my mind again and re-add the panel lining.

Another alternative is those Sakura Micron pens. You can literally draw the lines on the model, and if the recess is deep enough it will physically guide the tip. If you make a mistake you can rub it with your finger and get most of it. I feel like I got similar results using one of these to the Tamiya panel liner.

In my mind I want my models to look parade ready. That was my goal was nice and clean like it was fresh out of the factory. T'au are clean and proper and need to be presentable even on the battlefield. I definitely don't like the staining it did on the models, but it's minimal enough that I think I can live with it for how much easier it is to slap it all over instead of fussing over recessed shading. At least with complete coverage the whole thing is stained so nothing looks out of place. I can't deny that it does need some sort of shading though since where the nuln oil does sit makes the details pop. Recessed shading is simply too time consuming and difficult for me.

After thinking it over I think what really felt off about my models is the finish on them. Most people I've met use citadel paints which naturally have a more stain finish to them, but my pro acryl paints have a super matte finish to them. The matte finish I'm sure is ideal for someone who wants the most control over lighting effects on their mini, but I'm not at that level. I like that slight sheen look to the models. I've tested it by using Citadel's Abbadon Black compared to PA's Coal Black and the difference is noticable. The citadel paint is a little richer because it's not totally absorbing light. I want to experiment with this a little more. I know my models aren't where I want them to be, but I'm still kind of struggling to figure out what exactly I don't like about them, and what issues would I consider worth fixing for the amount of effort it will take.
 
I actually own some of that panel liner. It was recommended to me by my brother and yeah it does work pretty well. I used it on my crisis suits, but a lot of other models don't have groves deep enough to actually hold it. I still need a solution for fire warriors for instance. I ended up going back and painted over the panel lines in favor of the full wash. I thought, at least with my colors, the black lining was too harsh. In a month I'll probably change my mind again and re-add the panel lining.

Another alternative is those Sakura Micron pens. You can literally draw the lines on the model, and if the recess is deep enough it will physically guide the tip. If you make a mistake you can rub it with your finger and get most of it. I feel like I got similar results using one of these to the Tamiya panel liner.
You can get the tamiya liner in multiple colors, including shades of gray so it doesn't have the harsh look you're talking about on a lighter color. Of course as mentioned in the thread, you can basically do the same with oil paints and thinner as well, just need a little more patience and then clean up any smudges with a cotton swap and thinner after.

The micron pens work great for putting text on crap(book pages, purity seals, etc.) but I haven't seen 'em small enough in anything besides just black, which again can look too stark on a lighter color for lining.

After thinking it over I think what really felt off about my models is the finish on them. Most people I've met use citadel paints which naturally have a more stain finish to them, but my pro acryl paints have a super matte finish to them. The matte finish I'm sure is ideal for someone who wants the most control over lighting effects on their mini, but I'm not at that level. I like that slight sheen look to the models. I
Honestly, just varnish the things after and get whatever surface finish you want. Winsor and Newton aerosol varnish from an art store for the main finish, and then go back and pick out specific parts with brush on varnish to make gloss or more matte as needed. No need to rely on the finish of the paint itself.
 
Honestly, just varnish the things after and get whatever surface finish you want. Winsor and Newton aerosol varnish from an art store for the main finish, and then go back and pick out specific parts with brush on varnish to make gloss or more matte as needed. No need to rely on the finish of the paint itself.
I personally just use spray on cleocode sometimes it works pretty well there's also this one clear coat that's used for pools it's toxic and highly smelly but it is basically 100 percent waterproof.
Also just halfway red firecast and that's a great book it generally makes chaos seem genuinely terrifying instead of chaos being this direct thing it is this creeping no one understands
 
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All two Ravensisters were jumping for joy at a named character and not a praetor. When people accuse GW of using AI to design their stuff, this is what they are talking about.

Get what deserve unfortunately, for picking such an imperfect and flawed legion.
 
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