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p1138 said:
His lore stuff is fine to a point, where you may as well just listen to the audiobooks and not have to hear his insufferable accent. 38 videos on the sabbat war crusade ranging 30 minutes to 3 hours? 31 vides for the badab war ranging from 30 minutes to over an hour? 42 videos on the siege of vraks with most closer to an hour? GW didn't write this much about any of that. Beyond that, the moment he goes into anything besides his autistic depth about the lore, he's just a shitty grifter like plenty of other channels just on the right instead of the left. The only thing I'll give him credit for is not being a thin skinned bitch like Gamza who seems to have started posting stupid videos again over the past month going back to his "random thing from another IP vs 40k thing" slop format.
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I don't follow Arch anymore but other than his exaggerated trilling Rs he's fine. I wouldn't call him a grifter because he's been doing the same thing for years now. He didn't jump on the right-wing bandwagon because it finally became cool again. You can also avoid most of his politispurging which seems to be focused more on his second channel. I watched a recent video he did on Iyanden just to see if his format has changed much and no it's pretty much the same Arch I used to watch.

His videos do go on longer than they need to because he talks slow, and he tries to expand on each topic. He at least is not reading off the wiki and calling it a day. This issue also isn't unique to Arch either. Most lore channels I've seen have this slow ponderous pace to them. I just don't see any reason to really be upset with him. He's just fine I guess.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
I don't follow Arch anymore but other than his exaggerated trilling Rs he's fine. I wouldn't call him a grifter because he's been doing the same thing for years now. He didn't jump on the right-wing bandwagon because it finally became cool again. You can also avoid most of his politispurging which seems to be focused more on his second channel. I watched a recent video he did on Iyanden just to see if his format has changed much and no it's pretty much the same Arch I used to watch.

His videos do go on longer than they need to because he talks slow, and he tries to expand on each topic. He at least is not reading off the wiki and calling it a day. This issue also isn't unique to Arch either. Most lore channels I've seen have this slow ponderous pace to them. I just don't see any reason to really be upset with him. He's just fine I guess.
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dude's a shithead and it doesn't matter if it's contained to a 2nd channel because it'll keep popping up anyway. His fake accent, whatever the hell it's supposed to be is also infuriating. And yeah, other people talk slow, not 40 hours for a single topic slow. Like I said, at that point just go grab the audiobooks from somewhere.
 
I haven't listened to an Oculus Imperia lore video in a while and I just saw there are ze/zy/zo/zum they/them pronouns on the channel but in any case I always really liked the Tudor Consort music in the background
 
Humble Architect said:
I had a friend getting into 40k and initially he was gonna go Fisters, to which I tried to nudge him towards the Iron Hands to have a nice, fluffy rivalry with my EC.
Bro ultimately went “muh wholesome” Salamander, thank God. Anything but a pissmarine and to think people call my legion disgusting.
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I have no idea why people like IF. Id guess theyre more popular than Whitescars, IH, salamanders, etc, but genuinely yellow is dogass to paint (which is my theory for why people fucking Hate whitescars) and Dorn is a faggot. Guilliman has a sicker theme, color scheme, and a better character in both HH and 40k.

I just assume if you're a huge IF guy then you have autism. Fuck, even going with Crimson Fists would be more respectable.
 
Just give your Templars a bit of yellow or slap a 7 numeral on somewhere. You get to rep the IF while being much cooler.
 
daniel day said:
I have no idea why people like IF. Id guess theyre more popular than Whitescars, IH, salamanders, etc, but genuinely yellow is dogass to paint (which is my theory for why people fucking Hate whitescars) and Dorn is a faggot. Guilliman has a sicker theme, color scheme, and a better character in both HH and 40k.

I just assume if you're a huge IF guy then you have autism. Fuck, even going with Crimson Fists would be more respectable.
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I’ve seen Salamandercoin on the rise, due in large part to lore channels, SM2 (online is the Salamander game) and Saturnine.
Rick The Stick said:
Just give your Templars a bit of yellow or slap a 7 numeral on somewhere. You get to rep the IF while being much cooler.
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It is amazing how much the Templars mog the Fists in terms of everything.
 
daniel day said:
I just assume if you're a huge IF guy then you have autism.
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Dorn BTFO by Perturabo
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p1138 said:
The Lion was absolutely a faggot, along with the entire legion. Hence the Lionel Johnson poem The Dark Angel being the namesake for the entire thing. The big secret that the chapter is always trying to protect isn't necessarily that the fallen existed, it's that they're all gay and the fallen were out of the closet.
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Have you read the poem, or did you just read the first result from reddit?

The poem itself is more aligned to themes of sin and fear reigning that temptation back in. The dark angel in the poem being a representation of their ingrained sin. Though constantly tempted by material pleasure, the writer instead chooses his faith over the dark angel, choosing an eternity of salvation over even his own nature. Even though it will make the rest of his life feel like hell

To relate it to the dark angels in 40k id say that interpretation lines up perfectly with the lore. A monastic order of monks trying to deny their own sinful nature (half the legion falling to chaos). The punishing of their brothers that fell at Caliban is more of a penance on themselves for having such a nature to begin with. The fact that they are able to turn their own temptation to chaos into fuel for their own crusades.

If anything I think I actually like the dark angels more after reading the poem, and wish they'd take more of an angle aligned with it instead of the whole "ME FIRDT LRGEION" that we have instead. Like imagine if all the dark angels still had to fight back the threat of chaos internally? Primaris reinforcements start falling to chaos because they werent ever prepped on fighting that internal battle, because the legion always hid it? Could completely change the nature of the faction and give it an actual personality while keeping the killer aesthetics.

Honestly Dark Angel is better lore for the legion than most of the swill we get for lore these days anyway.
 
An Old Salt said:
Have you read the poem, or did you just read the first result from reddit?

The poem itself is more aligned to themes of sin and fear reigning that temptation back in. The dark angel in the poem being a representation of their ingrained sin. Though constantly tempted by material pleasure, the writer instead chooses his faith over the dark angel, choosing an eternity of salvation over even his own nature. Even though it will make the rest of his life feel like hell

To relate it to the dark angels in 40k id say that interpretation lines up perfectly with the lore. A monastic order of monks trying to deny their own sinful nature (half the legion falling to chaos). The punishing of their brothers that fell at Caliban is more of a penance on themselves for having such a nature to begin with. The fact that they are able to turn their own temptation to chaos into fuel for their own crusades.

If anything I think I actually like the dark angels more after reading the poem, and wish they'd take more of an angle aligned with it instead of the whole "ME FIRDT LRGEION" that we have instead. Like imagine if all the dark angels still had to fight back the threat of chaos internally? Primaris reinforcements start falling to chaos because they werent ever prepped on fighting that internal battle, because the legion always hid it? Could completely change the nature of the faction and give it an actual personality while keeping the killer aesthetics.

Honestly Dark Angel is better lore for the legion than most of the swill we get for lore these days anyway.
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(Cocksucking noises at the Rock intensify)
 
An Old Salt said:
Have you read the poem, or did you just read the first result from reddit?

The poem itself is more aligned to themes of sin and fear reigning that temptation back in. The dark angel in the poem being a representation of their ingrained sin. Though constantly tempted by material pleasure, the writer instead chooses his faith over the dark angel, choosing an eternity of salvation over even his own nature. Even though it will make the rest of his life feel like hell

To relate it to the dark angels in 40k id say that interpretation lines up perfectly with the lore. A monastic order of monks trying to deny their own sinful nature (half the legion falling to chaos). The punishing of their brothers that fell at Caliban is more of a penance on themselves for having such a nature to begin with. The fact that they are able to turn their own temptation to chaos into fuel for their own crusades.

If anything I think I actually like the dark angels more after reading the poem, and wish they'd take more of an angle aligned with it instead of the whole "ME FIRDT LRGEION" that we have instead. Like imagine if all the dark angels still had to fight back the threat of chaos internally? Primaris reinforcements start falling to chaos because they werent ever prepped on fighting that internal battle, because the legion always hid it? Could completely change the nature of the faction and give it an actual personality while keeping the killer aesthetics.

Honestly Dark Angel is better lore for the legion than most of the swill we get for lore these days anyway.
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That's a lot of words for "The Dark Angels are a bunch of deeply-closeted and self-loathing homos."
 
An Old Salt said:
Have you read the poem, or did you just read the first result from reddit?

The poem itself is more aligned to themes of sin and fear reigning that temptation back in. The dark angel in the poem being a representation of their ingrained sin. Though constantly tempted by material pleasure, the writer instead chooses his faith over the dark angel, choosing an eternity of salvation over even his own nature. Even though it will make the rest of his life feel like hell

To relate it to the dark angels in 40k id say that interpretation lines up perfectly with the lore. A monastic order of monks trying to deny their own sinful nature (half the legion falling to chaos). The punishing of their brothers that fell at Caliban is more of a penance on themselves for having such a nature to begin with. The fact that they are able to turn their own temptation to chaos into fuel for their own crusades.

If anything I think I actually like the dark angels more after reading the poem, and wish they'd take more of an angle aligned with it instead of the whole "ME FIRDT LRGEION" that we have instead. Like imagine if all the dark angels still had to fight back the threat of chaos internally? Primaris reinforcements start falling to chaos because they werent ever prepped on fighting that internal battle, because the legion always hid it? Could completely change the nature of the faction and give it an actual personality while keeping the killer aesthetics.

Honestly Dark Angel is better lore for the legion than most of the swill we get for lore these days anyway.
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Yes, and I'm also aware of the stupid myth about "The Rock" being a gay bar local to GW that absolutely no one can point to any evidence of existing. Also what you've stated doesn't change the fact that the legion acts like a bunch of closeted homos needing to keep their secret in service to the emperor, while wanting to track down and eliminate those who rebelled not necessarily for the sake of chaos(because not all of the fallen fell to chaos, simply fell out of allegiance with The Lion/Imperium and that would be why The Lion in the recent book has a bit of conversation with one, decides to call them "The Risen" gathers more up as loyalists and then proceeds to go deal with actual chaos dark angels legionnaires) rather just being openly gay. This is in line with various communities back in the 90s before rainbow pride BDSM parades in the street and gays not wanting to be outed by other gays to avoid disrupting their lifestyle which could have meant anything from their career, to military service(don't ask, don't tell should be obvious here), existing family with a beard, and so on.

So let me ask you this. Have you read up on the lore? Or just gone with the longer 2nd post on reddit about the poem and maybe read it yourself without actually applying the entire thing in context?

Also, I never said that the poem and its author wasn't appropriate for the legion. I simply said they were faggots. And yes, The Lion is now conducting a pride parade through the woods with The Risen through Imperium Nihilus starting his own ragtag crusade(more like insurgency to start with), gathering up loyalist DA(and having to tell them no they can't start fighting with The Risen) and eventually meeting with Dante and some Blood Angels initially wanting to tear Dante's head off for daring to wear a mask of Sanguinious, but eventually calming the hell down so he can hear that Guilliman is also up and about.
 
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Going through "Tales of Heresy", and it's a mixed bag from what I've done so far.

Blood Games: Alpharius did it better. But nah this shit was boring. Awful story to have as my first "real" taste of Custodes.

Wolf At The Door: I dug this one a lot. I like Space Wolf stories. Not much else to say.

After Desh'ea: Best one so far. It's just a fuckin therapy session for Big Baby Angron while Khârn just gets the shit kicked out of him. Fun times.

That's as far as I've gotten. Probably gonna skip Last Church. I've already seen the fanimation and I hate everyone in that story.
 
Rick The Stick said:
Blood Games: Alpharius did it better. But nah this shit was boring. Awful story to have as my first "real" taste of Custodes.
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Amon Tauromachian is written like someone's shitty boring edgy self-insert. Valdor and Diocletian are far more interesting heresy era characters.

By 40k, Valerian at least has some character growth as he learns to pull the stick out of his ass. Colquan is as boring as Amon and manages to do less(he just complains about Guilliman most of the time). Navdradaran is written like a robot in the Christ Wraight novels but at least the interactions people have with him at times can be interesting.
 
p1138 said:
eventually meeting with Dante and some Blood Angels initially wanting to tear Dante's head off for daring to wear a mask of Sanguinious
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Its not just a mask but a legit death mask made via impression from Sanguinius's barely-cooled corpse, so he was rather understandably pissed off to see them wearing it as if in mockery. And then Dante tells him why they wear it and he has an "Oh shit, I went too far" moment.

Has the Lion run into G-Man yet so he can snark at him over having finally achieved his dreams of being the Emperor's right-hand administrator?

"Tell me Roboute, having finally achieved your ambitions of ruling in our father's name, is any of it worth it? Have your desires for power, no matter how well-intentioned, brought you the satisfaction in life you have craved? Perhaps you should have stayed a simple soldier like I am still am."

"I think you underestimate what a terrible and pernicious foe the bureaucracy is. I'm starting to think our dear brother Horus may have been more correct about them than either of us is happy admitting."
Mr Clark said:
Dorn vs Perturabo is just 40ks version of unstoppable force vs immovable object.

But WAY more autistic.

And I'm here for it.
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Speaking of Iron Warrior autism...
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Snekposter said:
Has the Lion run into G-Man yet so he can snark at him over having finally achieved his dreams of being the Emperor's right-hand administrator?
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Nope. They're all over the place with the timeline regarding Guilliman(they just finished the dawn of fire books that take place before dark imperium, and they hadn't met in that yet either), and all they've done with The Lion is have him get into a scrap with Angron because Abaddon and Vashtorr are up to some still unknown nonsense(possibly knocking at Peter Turbo's door asking him to finally crawl out of his man cave and go outside to do something). GW still has a habit of never wanting to resolve anything but shit is continually happening to everyone at all times.
 
Belisarius Cawl said:
I haven't listened to an Oculus Imperia lore video in a while and I just saw there are ze/zy/zo/zum they/them pronouns on the channel but in any case I always really liked the Tudor Consort music in the background
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Yeah he made a post whinging about plummeting view counts and patreon subscribers, and blamed the AI slop channels.

Maybe don't advertise your faggotry if you want people to give you money brosef.
 
Pattern Juggler said:
Yeah he made a post whinging about plummeting view counts and patreon subscribers, and blamed the AI slop channels.

Maybe don't advertise your faggotry if you want people to give you money brosef.
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Be that as it may, you can find all that music I mentioned here:
I don't know whether zim/zer ever used this one specifically, but it's the most eerily cheerful rendition of Terra tremuit (The earth trembled) I've ever heard:
 
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