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You Bastard Guy said:
Double poasting for topic change.

To me, this image explains why GW will not survive if it doesn't reach down to an audience with less cash.

These are Gundam kits for beginners. $5-6 gets an interested kid's allowance or birthday money and lets him take the hobby for a test drive. He gets a complete, easy-to-build model that he can assemble in an hour.

Maybe he hates it and the kit gets shitcanned. Maybe he thinks it's boring, and the model sits on his desk for a few years before he throws it away. Or maybe he turns into a titanic nerd willing to buy a $200 kit and all the panel liners and paints he needs to make it look good.

GW currently does not have an easy, inexpensive "gateway drug" like this. Giving the spergy consoomer nature of their audience, they may not be able to sell something like this to kids without some stinky, fedora-wearing manchild elbowing them out of the way to buy ALL THE THINGS off the shelf at Target.

There is no Heroquest or Battle Masters like there was when I was a kid. The closest thing I can think of is those box games at Barnes and Noble, but even those cost about the same as a video game. And what is your average kid with $50 of birthday money going to pick--a new vidya, or some weird models to a weird game with complicated rules?

Thanks for coming to my SPED Talk.
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The idea of a "gateway drug" for Warhammer is a double edge sword. If the game is cheaper it becomes more accessible yes, but then you have to think of the undesirables getting into the hobby. Such as more woke people, trannies, pedophiles, children, just to name a few. Warhammer would turn into just another Magic the Gathering or Dungeons and Dragons. The high price point is a gatekeeper of sorts. Dropping the price now would ruin their current stock value and they would never do that, so prices continue to go up and we see the miniature game protected. Fair tradeoff.
 
Anonymus Fluhre said:
The idea of a "gateway drug" for Warhammer is a double edge sword. If the game is cheaper it becomes more accessible yes, but then you have to think of the undesirables getting into the hobby. Such as more woke people, trannies, pedophiles, children, just to name a few. Warhammer would turn into just another Magic the Gathering or Dungeons and Dragons. The high price point is a gatekeeper of sorts. Dropping the price now would ruin their current stock value and they would never do that, so prices continue to go up and we see the miniature game protected. Fair tradeoff.
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Ah, I didn't even think of it like that. I'm just glad they're getting less people on the plastic crack train than they could be.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
Kill Team and whatever the equivalent in AoS is supposed to be the Gateway drug, I guess?
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Kill team was an ok start but things like Necrons and chaos were really lacking in terms of decent rules. Then GW went and pulled a 180 over inflating the rule set with the elites book. Also the only factions that could get you a 100 point roster with one box were loyalist or chaos marines. They should have made it 40K lite like previous editions that way people could have kept things like chaos marks that actually did something in game.

Trying my hand at some real painting this morning with a power sword for my primaris lieutenant. It’s at the halfway point next I need to blend it all together with a glaze and all that is left is the highlights for the sword.
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My needlessly complex paint recipe
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Inquisitor_BadAss said:
Kill team was an ok start but things like Necrons and chaos were really lacking in terms of decent rules. Then GW went and pulled a 180 over inflating the rule set with the elites book. Also the only factions that could get you a 100 point roster with one box were loyalist or chaos marines. They should have made it 40K lite like previous editions that way people could have kept things like chaos marks that actually did something in game.

Trying my hand at some real painting this morning with a power sword for my primaris lieutenant. It’s at the halfway point next I need to blend it all together with a glaze and all that is left is the highlights for the sword.
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I'm gonna steal your table.
 
Anonymus Fluhre said:
The idea of a "gateway drug" for Warhammer is a double edge sword. If the game is cheaper it becomes more accessible yes, but then you have to think of the undesirables getting into the hobby. Such as more woke people, trannies, pedophiles, children, just to name a few. Warhammer would turn into just another Magic the Gathering or Dungeons and Dragons. The high price point is a gatekeeper of sorts. Dropping the price now would ruin their current stock value and they would never do that, so prices continue to go up and we see the miniature game protected. Fair tradeoff.
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Too late unfortunately, because having a fully painted army was never a pre-requisite for being part of the community. All you needed to do was watch a few warhammer lore videos and then you're off to twitter posting memes about how angry space marines are and saying Games Workshop needs more queer and POC representation on the table-top, which GW then definitely listens to.
Having a financial barrier to entry doesn't keep the weirdos out either (I mean it didn't stop me...), it just keeps the poor and frugal out since woke people do have money (there mommy and daddy at least) and they have an inherent need to inject and infiltrate any community and fandom so buying a box of space marines and painting two or three of them isn't much of a barrier if it means they can post images of their minis as a shield against criticism.
 
I wasn't too fond of 9th Ed. 40k, but I'm mostly happy with AoS 3rd Ed. The limitations on filling regiments makes for creative list building, even if it means my Squig Herds are worthless now.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
It is staggering how much better AOS Orcs are to 40k Orcs.
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I think the new boyz and Beast snaggas boyz are P cool. Their new models are headed in the right direction. But AOS just has way more variety now. It wouldnt make sense in 40k for orks to have any sort of animal other then a squig variant. But in AOS they can have a lot more mounts from the nature of being on a single world.
 
You Bastard Guy said:
Damn. I really thought I was on to something there.

Still, a titan-sized squiggoth would be some shit. Get one of those tiny footballs, cover it in clay….
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I’m sure the closest they had was the giant squiggoth but I don’t think forgeworld sell them anymore.
 
Love_Machine011 said:
I think the new boyz and Beast snaggas boyz are P cool. Their new models are headed in the right direction. But AOS just has way more variety now. It wouldnt make sense in 40k for orks to have any sort of animal other then a squig variant. But in AOS they can have a lot more mounts from the nature of being on a single world.
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My preference will always be with Warhammer Fantasy over AoS and the dual dynamic of big, brutish Orcs with weedy Goblins, but I'll at least say that these new, widely-different greenskins now make the whole lot worthy of the new name Orukks rather than that being conceived simply as an obvious copyright scheme.

By the way, how well does souping work in AoS? At a glance from the outside, it seems to me that armies are meant to assembled from all the available factions within a particular Grand Alliance, many of the individual factions not having much of a model range on their own.
 
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