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A funny thing about internet forums is that they must not be taken seriously. Internet communities are neither designed nor managed in such a way as to be an acceptable substitute for healthy human socialization. If you try to make an internet community a part of your life in the same way that you would belong to an actual community, you will gradually lose your mind.

This is true to a point. However if you invest the time and effort into creating a thread on a lolcow, then you've arguably made the decision to take it seriously. An incident like this was always much more likely to happen on the proving/prospering grounds board than any other part of the forum, for the fact that more is required of the OP than in other boards. When Prospering grounds works well it should be an opportunity for threads to be proofed, critiqued and then revised by the creator. Null moved several threads out of Proving grounds a few months back, at least one of which was nearly 2 years old, which are now doing quite well.

For the ones I looked at, there was a similar story. There would be responses in the thread referencing spelling, grammar, layout, flow of writing etc. However often when you read the initial post you can't see what they're complaining about because the OP has made the required edits. However usually that wasn't enough to save the thread.

Typos happen, and often even glaring ones can go unnoticed by a writer, not because he was too lazy to check, but because that's just sometimes how the human brain works. A fresh pair of eyes when they're available is always the best way.

Anyway I've posted this before but I think part of the problem with JUW is that he intended some of his posts as banter, but that didn't come across, because this is a text based environment, and writing like you would speak IRL causes issues like that.

One last observation, there was nothing wrong with the Moderators comments. Perhaps the problem was having to switch roles, going from member commenting on a thread, to moderator policing it.
 
If you're put in a moderation position, you shouldn't be such a massive faggot that you can't handle things without abusing your power and fucking both the site's users over and the site itself.
I do not disagree. My own reading of the situation that unfolded on the first page of this thread was that a mod was being gay. Gay mods are a valid problem to complain about and the forum has specific guidelines for how to make such a complaint. Those guidelines appear at the top of every page in this subforum:

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However, JUW was having a tantrum. He posted a thread in Talk To Staff, but he didn't receive instant gratification for his hurt feelings -- as you would expect when a problem must be resolved through private conversations to which you are a not a party. JUW could have gone and done something else while he waited to hear back, the problem would have been fixed, and life would have gone on without anybody except JUW, Null, and the involved moderator being aware that anything had happened. JUW didn't want that; he wanted everybody to hear of this drastic internet injustice right now, so he came in here screaming "RISE UP AGAINST MODERATOR OPPRESSION MY BROTHERS" and tried to incite a shitstorm, pissing off everybody.

This is true to a point. However if you invest the time and effort into creating a thread on a lolcow, then you've arguably made the decision to take it seriously.

I agree with you to an extent as well. However, I have personal insight that I believe applies to this kind of situation.

I dabble in creative works as a hobby, under different assumed names than the one I use here. I won't say whether those creative works are classifiable as art or writing or music or 3D printing or interpretive dance or film or independent gideo vames or theater or whatever the fuck else exists nowadays. I don't create shit to get famous, I don't create shit to farm clout, I don't create shit as a career, and I won't post any of my shit here because that would be stupid.

A freshly-minted lolcow thread is a compilation of information about a unique person that is presented in such a way as to interest, excite, and entertain the reader -- while also inspiring the reader to do more research. It's a creative work. As a recreational creator, I know firsthand that when you create something, you always -- either intentionally or subconsciously -- put a piece of yourself in it. I am also acutely aware that one of the most difficult things a creator can possibly do is take their work -- especially a creation that they poured their heart and soul into -- and put it in front of a judgmental audience that has never heard of the creator or their work and has no advance reason to give a shit about either. When you do this, you may receive applause; you may receive applause but it feels like it's empty/not enough; you may receive a chorus of boos; worst of all you may receive deafening silence. Trying to win a new audience's approval seriously sucks; it can very easily lead to heartbreak and occasionally a creator gets so assmad that he starts blaming Zionist conspiracies for his rejection and joins the German Workers Party. Creators trying and failing to make it is a tale as old as time.

If you create stuff and put it in front of an audience -- or even if you don't publish your works yourself and they leak out anyway -- then eventually, one of your creations is going to go over like a fart in church. You'll get zero likes on the twitter sonnet you spent hours constructing, or somebody will paint "TAG OVER THIS SHIT" across your lovingly-crafted work of erotic Sonichu graffiti, or your magnum opus OP about Juliana Wetmore will go right to Spergatory. It'll happen. No creator in history has ever published only smash hits; if any creator appears to be an exception to this, that's because any and all of his lesser work was lost to the ether.

It's an inevitability. At some point you will create something that is received poorly, and you will be taken off guard. Your feelings will be hurt. It will suck ass. The first time this happens will be the hardest, and you will want to respond in some way.

You can respond by defending your creation, which will only annoy the critics and make you look like a petulant child. You can respond by attacking your critics, which will only cause them to appear in greater and more powerful numbers like the cops in a Grand Theft Auto game. You can respond by throwing a tantrum. Many aspiring creators, when faced with their first rejection, just melt right the fuck down and never recover.

I know firsthand that when you're suffering from a case of the butthurt, it can be very difficult to choose the only objectively correct response in this type of situation: suck it up and move on. Take a break if you have to, cry on a good friend's shoulder if you're that kind of person, then insert coin, press continue, and get back to work. Grow some thicker skin. Learn from your fuckups and do better next time. This is especially true in a place like the Kiwi Farms; my observation has been that while the people here respond viciously to each other's mistakes, that response is short-lived and the critics are very quick to lose interest and move on as long as the target of their criticism doesn't double down. If you work hard on an OP that turns out to suck, you'll catch some shit for it but the shit will slide off in time. This does not apply if your OP revealed something particularly juicy about you, so hide your damn powerlevel.

tl;dr JUW posted a thread, caught some criticism, and got assmad. Do not get assmad about criticism. Even if the criticism violates boundaries, keep your shit together and report the violations through appropriate channels. JUW did this but when those reports were not instantly processed, he turned to drama and shit-stirring.
 
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This is true to a point. However if you invest the time and effort into creating a thread on a lolcow, then you've arguably made the decision to take it seriously. An incident like this was always much more likely to happen on the proving/prospering grounds board than any other part of the forum, for the fact that more is required of the OP than in other boards. When Prospering grounds works well it should be an opportunity for threads to be proofed, critiqued and then revised by the creator. Null moved several threads out of Proving grounds a few months back, at least one of which was nearly 2 years old, which are now doing quite well.

Therein lies the rub though, eh?

Without people making threads with content, there would be no site. On the other hand, making a thread means you probably have a touch of the 'tism and are on a thin line not too far removed from the people having a thread made about them.

Really gets the noggin joggin.
 
That internet closet faggot @Hecate won't be a mod any time soon will he? Nor any of those fake liberal "I have the corona virus cure" pansies in the wuhan thread shit posting fake death stat updates every 5 minutes. I hope?

Nothing worst then a shut in hypochondriac homophobe who hasn't left his house in 4 months criticising bored nurses in empty hospitals for "not quarantining enough" while advertising themself on Tinder for a quick ass pounding constantly mad at the internet because Trump will get credit for cleaning this up while Bernie Sanders loses most of the votes.

But at least......

.... Well I don't know. Not much of a bright side is there? They do nothing. Help no one. Cure nothing. Take it in the ass. Have to wear a face mask around their mom but live in her basement.

I guess the bright side is they aren't mods?



Well you win that one. Truly by method of eliminating anything but the least common denominator the mods here are the best. You go to other sites and its a game of who can do what based on what rules. Its a loser fest.

Here there are no rules. I mean you can get banned. I have banned twice. It seems to apparently be really really really really hard. You definitely stand strong on this side of the argument.
How the fuck does any of this apply to anything here?
 
I made a TTS thread appealing an retarded 1 week thread ban once.

My ban ended before I got more then 4 views (including one that was me) on that tts thread.

Its a shame retards like this guy are the only ones who make threads about moderation on this site, but I guess you do have to be retarded to expect a public thread whining about moderation to work.
 
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I made a TTS thread appealing an exceptional 1 week thread ban once.

My ban ended before I got more then 4 views (including one that was me) on that tts thread.

Its a shame exceptional individuals like this guy are the only ones who make threads about moderation on this site, but I guess you do have to be exceptional to expect a public thread whining about moderation to work.
I don't know, maybe it was good to have this out. Timing could have been better, but hopefully something positive will come from it.
 
Funny when you think about it. JUW had a legitimate grievance right at the start, but then threw such a tantrum that he lost all sympathy and became the centre of attention instead of the mod who was being a bit gay, to the point that people started openly making fun of him and digging up other idiocy from him. A familiar story?

Stare too long into the abyss etc etc
 
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