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No, high fat ground beef is favored among carnivore dieters. That female I posted before was eating half a stick of butter with her breakfast. Animal fat is your friend.
I don't really understand what makes corn syrup so bad compared to sugar cane. The fructose/glucose content is the same so maybe there's just some chemical or additive they use to make it that's the problem.
sll I know is I can have all manner of sugar (within reason) no problem, but anything based on corn syrup and I start gaining weight almost instantly.

this study states that HFCS may be associated with higher CRP (C-reactive protein) levels, whatever the fuck that means:

and this article points out that cane sugar is sucrose while HFCS is "unbound" fructose and glucose:

anyhow the jury's still out scientifically, but I know which one makes me feel like shit
 
Seasons don't matter for meat because meat is everywhere all the time,

No, it's not. Before proper storage, I.e. medieval to early/mid 20th century, food had to be preserved in a fashion for it to last the winter, be it cold storage, or, especially for meat, salting. However, there would need to be a balance to slaughter as to allow a family to have access to protein (via their animals) in later years, be it via a pig share, calf sale/slaughter, or even old chickens dying. Also, animals were smaller then, so less meat per carcass was produced.

A common meal would be carb based. It was cheap, it was filling, and with an animal fat added, nutritious.
 
No, it's not. Before proper storage, I.e. medieval to early/mid 20th century, food had to be preserved in a fashion for it to last the winter, be it cold storage, or, especially for meat, salting. However, there would need to be a balance to slaughter as to allow a family to have access to protein (via their animals) in later years, be it via a pig share, calf sale/slaughter, or even old chickens dying. Also, animals were smaller then, so less meat per carcass was produced.

A common meal would be carb based. It was cheap, it was filling, and with an animal fat added, nutritious.

You're talking of something post 1000AD, I'm talking about what people did before agriculture existed. Post 1000AD starving peasants weren't allowed to hunt for meat basically, had little access to fish even though the ocean's full of fish. Through desperation they turned to plants they could grow or they turned non edible plants (carrots looked like a stick you would find on a ground lol) into food slowly because they desperately had to.
Most/all of the plants we consume are just remnants of starved peasants trying to turn non food into food because they were restricted in their access to food markets and/or their ability to hunt food. Wheat is grass, the only people who would try to eat grass are desperate starving peasants, there had to be meat around at the time because if grass grows then animals that feed off that grass can grow so why wouldn't you just eat the animals? Only reason that could be is you weren't allowed access to the meat.
 
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Not true.

There's evidence of farming and markets dating back to Egyptian and pre-Egyptian times. No one lived off just meat, you'd get scurvy/rickets/similar deficiencies.

Only those with extra, or who were culling old animals, would have meat realistically. From every slughter, there would be the tithe for local religion, the best part for the lord of the land/lathe/hundred, the portion dor the butcher/slaughterer. Why would you kill healthy animals who'd provide fat-rich milk that could be churned to butter, or to cheese? Why kill off birds that produce eggs and are a form of pest control?
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Irregardless of this, eating plans are not one size fits all. And I'm quite happy with less food noise, still got a full tummy, and still eating a varied diet.
 
You 1000% wont get scurvy/rickets (rickets is a vitamin D deficiency - an animal hormone) or nutritional deficiencies because we would've seen it in myself or other carnivores it's just not true. Meat is made out of the nutrients we're made of, plants are made from indigestible fiber and small amount of proteins that function as pesticides to stave off predators.

"Sailors" diagnosed with rickets were probably mostly misdiagnosed to promote the new fruits they brought back I suspect, they were eating nothing but bread biscuits (hard tack) and drinking alcohol non stop (I have no idea why they didn't just catch some fish while at sea but it appears they didn't). If you eat a diet of pure carbs without a toothbrush your teeth are 100% falling out very fast and susceptibility to infection of all types is going to skyrocket. An orange wouldn't have saved them beyond maybe lengthening the time it takes their teeth to fall out.
And again Egyptian times are after the time I'm talking about.

Eating grass is a one size fits all for cows, the further they deviate from that diet the worse their health will be.

That's fine if you prefer the ozempic way of dealing with weight issues, but pretending it's not damaging your health is a cope. I smoke weed and tobacco even though I know it's bad for you but I'm not going to cope and try to convince people it's beneficial to health.
 
You 1000% wont get scurvy/rickets (rickets is a vitamin D deficiency - an animal hormone)
You...do realize that you can get Vitamin D from more than just animals right? Vitamin D is from UV light more specifically.

Standing outside for 30 minutes, unprotected from the sun is literally the most efficient way to get vitamin D. You can also get it from plants like oranges not just meat
 
You...do realize that you can get Vitamin D from more than just animals right? Vitamin D is from UV light more specifically.

Standing outside for 30 minutes, unprotected from the sun is literally the most efficient way to get vitamin D. You can also get it from plants like oranges not just meat
Yes it's an animal hormone made from exposing cholesterol (oil on your skin) to UV light, plants don't make it and you can't get it from eating plants.
 
What is the general consensus on "performance enhancers" like ozympic or zepbound? Has anyone in this threat ever tried them or have heard anything positive?
 
So I found this at my work, probably gonna have to try it out. Wheat bread that has 11 grams carbs with 11 grams of fiber so apparently it has 0 net carbs? Anyone tried it yet?

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What is the general consensus on "performance enhancers" like ozympic or zepbound? Has anyone in this threat ever tried them or have heard anything positive?
Yeah we've been talking about them recently. I went on Ozympic for about a year, dropped due to finances. It really did work, dropped constantly, occasionally hitting plateaus that required lifestyle changes, but they were obvious and things I could have done without the drug. I do think the rather striking drop was 100% because of the drug's effects, however.

My worry were long term side effects. I heard it was blinding some people and over the course of that year my vision noticeably shifted. My doctor says it's just me becoming an old fuck and not the drug, but, whatever. I was worried about risking it.

I regained about 20% of what I lost on the drug, and some bad habits slipped back, but once spring hits I figure I'll re-up my exercise game to compensate.
 
Yeah we've been talking about them recently. I went on Ozympic for about a year, dropped due to finances. It really did work, dropped constantly, occasionally hitting plateaus that required lifestyle changes, but they were obvious and things I could have done without the drug. I do think the rather striking drop was 100% because of the drug's effects, however.

My worry were long term side effects. I heard it was blinding some people and over the course of that year my vision noticeably shifted. My doctor says it's just me becoming an old fuck and not the drug, but, whatever. I was worried about risking it.

I regained about 20% of what I lost on the drug, and some bad habits slipped back, but once spring hits I figure I'll re-up my exercise game to compensate.
Yeah I just started my first zepbound injection today. I realize that I'm going to have to put in most of the work with diet and exercise but I'm at an age where I need as much help as I can get.
 
So I found this at my work, probably gonna have to try it out. Wheat bread that has 11 grams carbs with 11 grams of fiber so apparently it has 0 net carbs? Anyone tried it yet?

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I have never tried anything made with Resistant Wheat Starch, which is a starch humans cannot digest. You'll have to let us know what it tastes like. It looks to have around half the calories of a white sourdough loaf and a much higher fat and protein profile (people who display nutritional information only as servings and not per 100g should be hanged, btw).

For all I know it's quite healthy. I don't see dollops of palm oil or anything. But I don't know a lot about Resistant Wheat Starch. You could have the same effect by eating lots of fibre (e.g. a salad) and just less bread overall. In both cases you're giving your body less refined carbohydrates and compensating by bulking it out with more fibre. I generally like to keep to a traditional approach. But if this is tasty and works for you let us know how it goes. Just don't scarf down whole loaves of the stuff thinking it's magic. ;)
 
I’ve been at a steady pace of losing 2.5 pounds a week since the end of December. I’m approaching 200 lbs. for the first time in close to 2 years (at 204.2 lbs. currently).

Most important thing I’ve learned this go around is knowing how hard to be on yourself. You can be too hard on yourself and end up worse off than if you were too easy on yourself. As far as diet is concerned, I’ve been pretty heavily into meal prep and normally I just eat one big-ish meal a day for lunch. I’ve been trying to hit a split of 35/55/10 Carbs/Protein/Fats for macros. It would be nice to be able to hit my goal weight in grams of daily protein but I aim to stay under my calorie allotment vs. hitting my protein goals. Some form of high-protein chicken pasta + greens has been my go to for my one meal. I do light snacking throughout the day post-workout. I’ve been pretty intentional this go around of doing my best of ALWAYS being in a calorie deficit and not eating too much early in the day.

For supplements, stacking Glucomannan and Chromium has almost been a cheat code. Some days I’ve have as little as 800~ calories and have not felt like I’m being starved. It helps MAJORLY with cravings and “food noise”.

I’ve been on a PPL U/L split in the gym to try my best to preserve muscle mass and prevent catabolism although I understand it’s close to impossible to lose no muscle mass while in this aggressive of a deficit although I am far from a nutritional science person. I always end each lift with 20-45 minutes of cardio.
 
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I have never tried anything made with Resistant Wheat Starch, which is a starch humans cannot digest. You'll have to let us know what it tastes like. It looks to have around half the calories of a white sourdough loaf and a much higher fat and protein profile (people who display nutritional information only as servings and not per 100g should be hanged, btw).

For all I know it's quite healthy. I don't see dollops of palm oil or anything. But I don't know a lot about Resistant Wheat Starch. You could have the same effect by eating lots of fibre (e.g. a salad) and just less bread overall. In both cases you're giving your body less refined carbohydrates and compensating by bulking it out with more fibre. I generally like to keep to a traditional approach. But if this is tasty and works for you let us know how it goes. Just don't scarf down whole loaves of the stuff thinking it's magic. ;)
I tried some last night with dinner, it was pretty solid. they apparently switched from some seed oil to olive oil a while ago.
 
I tried some last night with dinner, it was pretty solid. they apparently switched from some seed oil to olive oil a while ago.
Well that's good in and of itself. Honestly, nutritionally it looks good. I'm wary of brand new stuff just on principle. Let someone else eat it / inject it / apply it for a year and see if they grow a third head. But generally the more you can cut out refined sugar and filling up on carbs the better and reading up on it, it seems it's mostly made through either some enzymes that break up the original starch or prolonged heating to accomplish the same. Interesting reading - it seems cooked and cooled potatoes and pasta similarly shift more towards resistant starch naturally.

Apparently it can make you fart lots? Apparently it still gets digested but much more slowly in the large intestine. Curious.
 
Well that's good in and of itself. Honestly, nutritionally it looks good. I'm wary of brand new stuff just on principle. Let someone else eat it / inject it / apply it for a year and see if they grow a third head. But generally the more you can cut out refined sugar and filling up on carbs the better and reading up on it, it seems it's mostly made through either some enzymes that break up the original starch or prolonged heating to accomplish the same. Interesting reading - it seems cooked and cooled potatoes and pasta similarly shift more towards resistant starch naturally.

Apparently it can make you fart lots? Apparently it still gets digested but much more slowly in the large intestine. Curious.
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Here's a better look at the nutrition facts from their website
 
Yeah I just started my first zepbound injection today. I realize that I'm going to have to put in most of the work with diet and exercise but I'm at an age where I need as much help as I can get.
My rheumatologist put me on compounded tirzepatide (Zepbound) one year ago because my A1C was +/- diabetic and I was fatty fat fat. Now I've lost about 1/3 of my body weight and 5 trouser sizes. I get my A1C checked again next week but the bloodwork from said rheumatologist visit 2 weeks ago looked excellent. I can get compounded tirzepatide for about $650/90 day supply. I have to draw up my dose from a vial but I've done many self injections in the past (all legal kiwibros I ain't one of those junkie people) and the bonus is I can adjust a bit up or down depending on how I'm doing. For example, I am currently prescribed a 7.5 mg dose, or 50 units on a glucose syringe. If I'm feeling like I don't want to eat anything I can dial down to 40 units or 5 mg or lower or higher.

I wish I had started sooner; my rheumatologist urged me to but the cost and the possible side effects were a big issue for me. One thing I do recommend is fiber capsules, especially if your cholesterol is high. Constipation is one of the most common side effects so eat or consume lots of fiber and water, Good luck with it and if you have any questions just dm me.

When I grew up in the 80's this is what people looked like. People like this grew up on a diet of meat and 3 veg sandwiches and drank heavily (good amount of carbs) whenever they weren't working, didn't exercise for the sake of exercising, so clearly carbs aren't the only problem. They held decent weight and bodyshape well into their 30's and a very large amount never had any weight problem (though they don't look too good now in terms of health and body shape though).
Clearly something has changed with how many grotesquely fat people there are now and it's not too hard to figure out what those differences are(soy, seed oils more sugar, chemicals unfound in nature in the food etc).

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I was an especially thin teen in the 70s & 80s at 97 lbs and 5 ft 3 in or a 17.2 bmi. None of the people at my 2000 student high school, including teachers and staff, were above normal weight. My mom laid on the meat, preferably beef, every night for dinner, salad, veg, bread and butter. We were never urged to eat every scrap that I recall. She's living with us now, 96+ years old, no dementia and we have to make the same sort of dinner for her most nights. Not fat but she has 10 extra lbs for emergency reserves.

Edit to add: hair loss was severe due to I think not enough protein. I have very thick hair but I was seeing scalp (yikes!) on top and lots of hair in the shower drain, I mean tons. My loss was only averaging 5 lbs/month and the highest per week loss was 2 lbs. I have started eating 2 pickled hard boiled eggs a day and the noticeable loss is back to normal. I just want to see new growth again. I'm female so having visible scalp on top, even if the rest is still very thick, is sad.
 
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My rheumatologist put me on compounded tirzepatide (Zepbound) one year ago because my A1C was +/- diabetic and I was fatty fat fat. Now I've lost about 1/3 of my body weight and 5 trouser sizes. I get my A1C checked again next week but the bloodwork from said rheumatologist visit 2 weeks ago looked excellent. I can get compounded tirzepatide for about $650/90 day supply. I have to draw up my dose from a vial but I've done many self injections in the past (all legal kiwibros I ain't one of those junkie people) and the bonus is I can adjust a bit up or down depending on how I'm doing. For example, I am currently prescribed a 7.5 mg dose, or 50 units on a glucose syringe. If I'm feeling like I don't want to eat anything I can dial down to 40 units or 5 mg or lower or higher.

I wish I had started sooner; my rheumatologist urged me to but the cost and the possible side effects were a big issue for me. One thing I do recommend is fiber capsules, especially if your cholesterol is high. Constipation is one of the most common side effects so eats or consume lots of fiber and water, Good luck with it and if you have any questions just dm me.
This is what I'm currently on, Though I'm on a monthly dose that only costs me $35 due to my insurance. I've been on it for 5 weeks and I've gone from 425lbs to 375lbs so it's doing work. I've started actually exercising more often too.
 
I did my first injection of zepbound 2.5 mg into my stomach on Sunday morning. Ate some chicken like normal, had the same appetite and wondered if the stuff even works.
Woke up yesterday tired all day, apparently that's a side effect. Drank a bunch of tea for the caffeine to keep me awake at work, but I have had zero appetite since Monday morning. I made myself eat a can of albacore just to get something in my stomach.
Woke up today less tired, but again I'm not hungry. I'll probably make myself eat a little something at the end of the night but this is actually pretty awesome. Not having the hunger pangs is really helpful.
I walked 3 miles yesterday and intend on doing it again today.
The only side effects I'm experiencing are fatigue and thirst. I'm not drinking like crazy but I have noticed that I'm drinking the appropriate amount of water. They recommend about a gallon a day for men, and if I'm not hitting that I'm getting pretty damn close.
I'm actually pretty stoked to be doing this.
 
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