Weight loss support thread

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I'm going to introduce this thread to Katsu's Red-Pill Weight Loss Method. Here I shatter all the bullshit you've ever heard about weight loss with some simple facts, lay out a politically-incorrect strategy which will #TRIGGER sensitive people with its intensity, and give you the full disclosure you need to know about its risks and impact. If you're looking for a quick, straightforward path to weight loss that will keep you motivated, this is for you.

Remember, this is not medically-sanctioned advice. If you injure yourself doing this, you're the one who asked a tranny on the internet how to lose weight instead of a doctor.

You're here because you're fat. You're fat because you eat garbage. You're not going to get thin until you stop eating garbage, or you at least eat less garbage.

If you're anything like me, you can't eat right. It's just impossible. You probably think vegetables have the consistency of wet paper and make you gag. Every time you try to "eat right", you're miserable and hungry all day, and obsess over food. The thing is, these habits are formed early in life. I noticed this just talking to people who have no issue eating right; they've been doing it since childhood. Once you're hooked on anything that gives food flavour: sugar, fat, and salt...you're hooked for life. The addictive potential of sugar in particular rivals that of heroine, a drug so addictive that an addict's prognosis with treatment is often worse than that of certain cancers. Once you taste flavour in food, you'll never want to live without it. Clearly, the lesson here is to feed your children a bland diet from infancy. But let's not beat around the bush. Your diet is garbage, I'll only ever call it garbage, and you're addicted to this garbage because it's overloaded in sugar, fat, and salt.

The good news is, if all you're looking to do is lose weight and keep it off, you don't have to change what you eat. You have to change how much you eat. Nobody ever broke a heroine addiction going cold turkey without going insane, and sugars & fats are far worse. Weight loss is about one thing: calories in, calories out. Calories out has to be more than calories in. It's this simple. With this approach, you eat the same food you're eating now, but in proportions low enough to lose weight. I am pursuing a self-developed, high-intensity weight loss plan that is very demanding, but shows fast results which you may find tremendously motivating. I press for a top rate of three pounds per week lost, at least (you may lose more on average, but this will be fluctuating water weight, not body mass.) This plan consists of two phases: the rapid burnoff, and then the maintenance phase.

First, let's begin with the rapid burnoff phase. Integral to my strategy is a severe caloric deficit, which you create using a "guerrilla warfare" approach. On average, one pound of fat is lost per 3,500 calories burnt. This means that to lose three pounds of fat per week, you need a weekly caloric deficit of over 10,500 calories. This may sound impossible, but it is not. By waging guerrilla warfare on your caloric intake, I achieve this caloric deficit through simultaneous application of multiple "attacks" on my caloric input: low food intake, daily low-intensity exercise, and days of water-fasting (or as close as you can get).

The importance of pushing for this rapid weight loss is psychological. You can't possibly stay motivated in the long term losing the "medically recommended", piddly little 1 pound a week, at least not without simply changing your diet and ignoring weight loss to begin with. But remember, we're too addicted to food flavouring (recall all flavour is sugar, fat, and salt). However, when you take a smaller step like eating less garbage, and see weight fall off like an avalanche, you're much more likely to stay in the game. You're leveraging your mind's tendency toward the sunk cost bias. The sunk cost bias is some crazy shit; it's the only reason we've wasted over $1.3 trillion on a jet fighter called "Lightning" that can't withstand the lightning. We leverage this fallacious behaviour to your benefit; when you lose weight quickly, you're seeing real results that make it hard to turn back. But when you're losing weight too slowly, it doesn't feel like a sunk cost to just give up, and people give up trying to lose weight. To stay motivated and lose weight on your current diet of garbage, you need to do it fast.

Now, here's weight loss by the numbers. A maintenance dietary rate for a typical adult is 2,000 calories a day, or 14,000 per week. However, your body requires some base energy to run in the first place. This is called your basal metabolic rate, and you can find various calculators online that will put it together for you: I recommend using a fitness app instead (more on that in a minute). To maintain weight, you need to eat as much as your body consumes in a normal day. If your basal metabolic rate is 2,000 calories, that's a 2,000 calorie burn you get every day for free!. This means that, if you only eat 2,000 calories a day for a week, you net 0 calories. Nothing lost, but gained. At the end of the week, you weigh the same.

Remember, our magic number is a deficit of 10,500 calories a week. The deficit we arrive at is computed by simply subtracting the calories expended from the calories eaten. In the above example, we subtract the calories burnt every day (2,000 with no exercise) from the calories eaten (2,000 per day), and get a deficit of zero. However, let's say you only ate 1,000 calories a day. You still get that 2,000 calorie burn for free, because your body still needs the same amount of energy to function no matter what (the only variables are age and weight). By the end of the week, we have 14,000 calories burnt, and 7,000 calories eaten. By only eating 1,000 calories a day, you have a deficit of 7,000 calories by the end of the week. Now we're not so far from the magic number of 10,500: see how they add up quick? They also add up just as quick the other way by eating more than you burn per day, which is why you're a fatass.

Notice how I say "for free". To make up the difference from 10,500, you need to take a variety of steps to up the caloric deficit. Here's where it gets hard, but remember, you're wagering your brain's retarded tendency not to go back on a sunk cost. Push through this for just one week, and you won't want to give up on it. Let's discuss some strategies to up your caloric deficit to meet 10,500. You should do all of these, not just one. This commitment takes a variety of approaches all done at once.

Eating Less
Eating less is where it all starts. You need a set number of calories per day to stay below, and I mean stay below. I recommend taking your basal metabolic rate, and halving it. For me, this is about 1000 to 1300 calories a day.

It's easy to track what your food consists of with a weight-loss tracking app on your smartphone. This will be the most valuable tool in your weight loss arsenal, since you can look up the calories in your food anytime, anywhere. This is so essential because it encourages you to log every single thing you eat; if you don't have a smartphone, get one. For the app to use, I personally recommend FatSecret. It allows you to scan the barcodes on boxes even, which makes it so easy to log what you eat. Every major restaurant has their menu in the system, so if you eat out, you can simply choose what you ordered and it will tell you exactly how many calories are in it. For cooking at home, you will also need a food scale. These are relatively cheap on Amazon. Weigh everything you eat. Every ingredient. FatSecret lets you punch in each ingredient by the gram, giving you an extremely precise calorie tally. EVERYTHING THAT GOES IN YOUR BODY OVER 0 CALORIES NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR!! Absolutely no exceptions whatsoever. Don't even "sample" food as you're making it without punching it in.

While I do only 1000 to 1300 calories a day, you can actually eat as much as you want. In fact, you can eat 2,000 calories a day if you like. But you're going to have to make that deficit up elsewhere, by going more intense on the strategies below. It's like money. Nothing's free, so choose what you spend wisely. Weight loss always begins with eating the fewest amount of calories you can get away with.

Depending on what weight loss app you use, it may continuously yell at you that what you're eating is garbage. It's right. But remember, you're addicted to something even worse than drugs: flavour. Which is exclusively sugar, fat, and salt. We're taking the first step to break that addiction.

Exercise
You're going to need to exercise. There's no way around this. However, you won't have to kill yourself with high-intensity exercise, unless you're overeating and need to make up that deficit like I described above. If you eat less to begin with, this part of building your 10,500 deficit won't be as hard.

Weight-tracking apps also normally include an exercise log that similarly tells you how many calories you've burned doing a particular activity for a particular amount of time. By doing this, you'll truly learn how expensive a calorie really is. 40 minutes of walking buys you only 200 calories burnt. An hour of running may only get you around 600. It's really not a lot, but remember, we're going guerrilla warfare here. This is a small part of your strategy that adds up. For example, if you take your lunch break at work to walk instead, you've earned 200 calories * 5 days = 1,000 extra calories burnt. That's 1,000 you didn't have before! Upping the intensity slightly will net you even more burnt.

Because exercising is "expensive", meaning it takes a lot to "buy" yourself a bigger deficit, you need to focus on really salami-slicing exercise into your week. What I mean by that is, you need to do anything and everything to sneak these sons of bitches in wherever you can. This basically amounts to making your day more active in the smallest of ways. I park all the way at the end of the parking lot and take a minute to walk into work, and I only ever use the stairs. Additionally, I walk to the store nearby instead of driving there. All of these things can be logged in your weight tracker. Things like the stairs may buy you only 5-10 extra calories a day, but remember, it's a contribution to your deficit you didn't have otherwise, and best of all you didn't need to set time aside for it.

Finally, depending on your gender, you'll want to exercise differently in order to achieve results that are in tune with how you're likely to best see yourself. Being a tranny gives me this unique perspective on what really makes people feel their inner confidence. Overall, women will want to be small and thin, and men will want to be large and bulky. For women, you'll want to do cardio; cardio eats away both fat and muscle to give you a more leaner appearance. For men, you'll want to bulk up and do weight training. If you do weight training, you may find yourself gaining weight, but recall our caloric deficit is to burn fat. The number on the scale may not budge, but you are losing fat in the process. I won't focus too much on this aspect in this guide since I personally am focusing on cardio, but it does bear mentioning if you're a man looking to get in shape.

The trick is to do a little, a lot! By taking your lunch period at work to walk instead of eat, and by taking the stairs and walking lots more places, you make cumulative contributions to the magic 10,500 calorie deficit that do not require taking an hour out of your day to toil at the gym. By the way, gyms are a total waste of money, and it's boring as all hell. If you're paying for a gym membership, cancel it.

Fasting
One of the quickest ways to get to the 10,500 deficit per week is to fast. This is a very simple idea. Don't eat for the entire day. No, really, just don't eat. Just drink water, and that's it. Fasting is simply the most powerful tool in your arsenal, but if you've ever played an RPG, you're also aware the most powerful moves have drawbacks to keep it all balanced. The game of weight loss doesn't have any overpowered moves. So let's take a look at the balance.

First, the good. How effective is fasting? Without eating anything for the day, you take your basal metabolic rate plus the exercise for that day as pure profit. Yes, you need to continue exercising during the fast, it maximises the benefit. If your basal metabolic rate is 2000 calories a day, you eat nothing, and work out an extra 500-calories worth of exercise per day...that's 2500 calories onto your total weekly burn easy. If you do this two days out of the week, you built up over half the deficit right then and there. It's really the BFG of weight loss weapons.

Now, the bad. Fasting will make you hungry and tired. If you do a total water-fast, meaning you only drink water, you may not even be able to function during the day. Second, fasting is rough on the body. It's not for the faint of heart, literally or figuratively. If you have health issues, don't fast. If you're diabetic, don't fast. If you're anything other than perfect health, don't fast. It's powerful, but it's going to take a lot out of you. To minimize the health impact of a total fast, you need to fast responsibly. This means never fast more than two days a week, and never fast two days in a row. I've tried two days in a row. By the time the third day rolls around, you're ready to collapse. It doesn't work.

Because fasting is rough on the body, you need to balance it with better nutrition. This step is not optional when fasting. This means eating more nutrient-dense calories. But remember, we're addicted to garbage with flavour, which is always sugar, fat, and salt. Three of the lowest-density empty calorie packers. The quickest, easiest way to get the nutrients you're missing out on in fasting, is Ensure shakes. If you're going to fast, buy a case of Ensure shakes. The vanilla is actually really good. Two shakes are 440 calories, and contain half of everything you need to function; the day after your fast, you should break it immediately with two Ensure shakes, and get most of what you need right back in. In fact, I would recommend you get your entire days' worth of nutrients in after breaking the fast, but this will burn up 880 of your precious daily calories. So you may need to work out a bit more.

To defeat hunger during fasting, try sparkling water. It's not "all chemicals" like diet soda, which may put people off, and it will stave off the hunger. Additionally, do your best not to be around smells. Everyone at the office always brings in food that smells great around lunch time. I usually just take my lunch-period walk at this point. During your fast, just don't even think about food.

You may not even be able to get through an entire day while fasting; that's perfectly fine. A killer alternative is just eating way less calories than you would otherwise. Make these very few, but very dense calories. On days I couldn't fast, I simply had two Ensure shakes during "fasting" day. That's only 440 for the day, and you still make off like a bandit with the deficit.

If you combine these three strategies all at once, you will lose weight. I guarantee it. I've been at full-speed with this for three months now. I've lost an insane amount of weight in an unbelievable amount of time, nearly 20 pounds. It should have been 40 or so, but I had some setbacks, namely, not logging my damn food. Always log every single thing you eat. EVERY THING YOU EAT.

When you've met your weight loss goal, we move onto the second phase; maintaining. Now, you aim for a deficit of zero instead of 10,500. Continue to log everything you eat. Continue to weigh every ingredient. If you're going to eat like garbage and stay thin, you have to do this. End fasting, continue to exercise, and eat enough so that your caloric deficit is at or slightly below zero. There's just no way around this. You've finally learned by now, that when it comes to calories, nothing's free.

Eventually though, this will get to be a pain in the ass. Fitting garbage into your diet at these maintenance rates and staying full is going to be challenging. This is because flavouring is empty calories. At this point, I'd recommend working on finally kicking the addiction to flavouring. Sugar, fat, salt. Flavour is sugar, fat, and salt. Flavour is sugar, fat and salt. Say it over, and over, and over again. And get it out of your diet.

The best possible diet you can eat, scientifically, is a vegetarian diet. This is really where I'd recommend you go. But let's come full circle on why you're eating garbage in the first place. You're eating garbage because you were raised on garbage. It's not going to be easy to kick your addiction to food with taste. But eventually, you're going to find out just how hard it is to stay thin and eat garbage all at the same time...and eventually, going vegetarian will be less effort than this. Really, once you finally find broccoli palatable, you know, like you should've when you were 3...you can stop logging every damn thing you eat, because broccoli isn't going to make you fat, ever. If you're gonna eat like shit, there's a price. That price is tracking every damn thing you eat for the rest of your life. In the long run, it's easier just to load up on greens and forget about it.

When you finally transition to a bland, vegetarian diet, you'll find you won't miss the flavour in food (sugar, fat, and salt) as much as you thought you did. Because flavour is a luxury...not a necessity. Remember, if people who were raised on a vegetarian diet can do it, you can do it too. Life without flavouring is not impossible.

This sounds unhealthy.
It is unhealthy, but so is your addiction to junk food.

We're aiming to be less unhealthy, since the flavouring in food is the most addictive thing in the world. No really, it's worse than heroine and cocaine. Remember, the flavour in your food always comes from sugar, fat, and salt. These three things are the worst three things you can put in your body. If it's not put in by food companies, it's put in by nature. Fruits are loaded with sugar, making them much more palatable than vegetables. But they're still bad for you because of the sugar.

When you eat less crap, and get more exercise in, you're at least coming out ahead slightly in the health department. Being fat is so, so much worse. The whole purpose of this guide is to help you lose weight while tapering off an addiction to flavour (say it again: sugar, fat, and salt). If you're capable of breaking the addiction to flavour in food by eating a vegetarian diet, objectively the best kind of diet you can possibly eat...you don't need this guide.

You're encouraging girls to be anorexic/you're pro-ana/body-shaming!
No, I'm not. Go fuck yourself.

I labeled this guide politically incorrect for a reason; we've lost track of just how simple weight loss really is because we're too busy worrying about "fat shaming" and "body positivity". These two phrases accurately describe the causes of obesity epidemic in the United States. We've become addicted to mediocrity and false praise, all to pander to sensitive people. Every single time I try to tell someone about calories in, calories out, I'm accused of promoting anorexia. I'm not. Go read about what anorexia actually is. Aiming for a healthy weight as a precursor to kicking flavour (sugar, fat, and salt) out of your diet is far from anorexia.

My methods work, because it's based on fundamental principles of physics (see below). That's why I call it the red-pill method of weight loss. It's based on fact. If you focused a little more on fact, and a little less on making sure you didn't provoke some rando's sensitivities, I wouldn't have to hear this allegation again.

The truth is, if you've struggled with anorexia, this plan isn't for you. You don't have the discipline or mental state to do it, so don't do it. But for most people, disciplined fasting and caloric restriction is the best way to lose weight while addicted to sugar, fat, and salt: the flavouring in food. And that's the key point of the plan. Disciplined fasting, exercise, and caloric restriction. Just because you lose weight quickly doesn't make it anorexia.

*pines for the day Trump is elected and deports the overweight, dangerhair, sensitive college-liberals back to Venus*

But fasting will trigger starvation mode and you'll actually gain weight!
People who say this with a straight face have no idea how basic physics work. First, I challenge you to find me a scientific article that backs the common notion of "starvation mode". I'll wait.

Now that you haven't found anything, I'll explain why you haven't. It's because calories in, calories out mirrors the fundamental principle of thermodynamics. Your body isn't going to make more energy than you put into it. If it did, it would be a so-called "overunity machine", that would force a rewrite of all our understanding of physics. The simple fact of the matter is, you need to burn more energy than you consume. Keeping up on exercise, and not binge eating to break a fast is the key to fasting.
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Maybe you could include a chart or calculator for the basal metabolic rate?
Good advice all around although I disagree about the vegetarianism. Lean meat just gives you a lot of options and flavors. Great protein source, too.
 
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So I have gone down two pant sizes and down a whole bra size.
The area I have the most problem with is my stomach and arms. Trying to get some exercise in right now to help with those areas.
 
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I'm actually going to reduce the amount of calories I recommend losing per week. I'm finding 10,500 to be more and more difficult to maintain as I lose more weight. You get less for free as you lose weight, I'm basically at the point now where I only get 1950 calories for free per day. I think this high-intensity rate will work if you are very heavy (say, 300 pounds or over), but you'll probably want to aim for a deficit of 7,000 (2 pounds a week) instead. I'm ramping my own plan down to 2 pounds a week.
 
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Any crazy deficit is not going to be sustainable in the long run. You will end up feeling the same way with 7,000 calories as you do 10,500 as we warned you in chat.

Want to lose weight? Easy calculation: Your weight times 10. That's your daily calories. 3 times a week, spend 50 minutes doing an activity that raises your heartbeat and makes you sweat. And never cheat on your calories, log absolutely everything.

Losing weight is about changing your lifestyle, any crash diet to lose tons of weight is unsustainable because it's hard and you are in the mindset of 'when I'm at X I can stop dieting!' which means youll start eating like crap again and gain the weight back. Change youre lifestyle, or youll never lose the fat.

Shortcuts never work, there's a reason why humanity has had variations of the hare and tortoise fable for millenias.
 
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Any crazy deficit is not going to be sustainable in the long run. You will end up feeling the same way with 7,000 calories as you do 10,500 as we warned you in chat.

Want to lose weight? Easy calculation: Your weight times 10. That's your daily calories. 3 times a week, spend 50 minutes doing an activity that raises your heartbeat and makes you sweat. And never cheat on your calories, log absolutely everything.

Losing weight is about changing your lifestyle, any crash diet to lose tons of weight is unsustainable because it's hard and you are in the mindset of 'when I'm at X I can stop dieting!' which means youll start eating like crap again and gain the weight back. Change youre lifestyle, or youll never lose the fat.

Shortcuts never work, there's a reason why humanity has had variations of the hare and tortoise fable for millenias.
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Disagree. 7,000 calorie deficit worked for me for 50 lbs, and I maintained it well when I was logging everything. When I stopped logging maintenance, I gained again (of course).
 
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Disagree. 7,000 calorie deficit worked for me for 50 lbs, and I maintained it well when I was logging everything. When I stopped logging maintenance, I gained again (of course).
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Two things

1) In the long run
2) I was specifically addressing Katsu, thus the 'as we told you in chat'

Katsu is not fat, he's like 6'0 180lbs so even a 7,000 calories deficit is a stupid idea, unsustainable and more likely to him either injuring himself or giving up than reaching whatever borderline anorexic goal he set in mind.

The second part of that post was general.
 
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Two things

1) In the long run
2) I was specifically addressing Katsu, thus the 'as we told you in chat'

Katsu is not fat, he's like 6'0 180lbs so even a 7,000 calories deficit is a stupid idea, unsustainable and more likely to him either injuring himself or giving up than reaching whatever borderline anorexic goal he set in mind.

The second part of that post was general.
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And I'm 6'0 and 184. That's still eating 1500 calories/day, according to the app I've been using to readjust to sub-180. Borderline anorexic? I'm exactly at a BMI of 25. If @KatsuKitty's anything like me, he can lose anywhere less than 40lbs and still be in the healthy range.
Mind you, I do agree about fasting and 10,500 cal/week being unsustainable. But I'm pulling off 7,000 just fine.
 
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And I'm 6'0 and 184. That's still 1500 calories/day, according to the app I've been using to readjust to sub-180. Borderline anorexic? I'm exactly at a BMI of 25. If @KatsuKitty's anything like me, he can lose anywhere less than 40lbs and still be in the healthy range.
Mind you, I do agree about fasting and 10,500 cal/week being unsustainable. But I'm pulling off 7,000 just fine.
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You are pulling off 7,000 fine for now because you are at the crossing between overweight and a healthy weight. So is katsu. So yeah it can be sustainable for what, another month or two at most?

By the time either of you reach 160lbs and want to keep losing 10 pounds a month, come back and tell me that this is a sustainable diet.

Again, that's why I stated from the beginning 'Unsustainable in the long run'.
 
You're going to have to take different approaches depending on what you want to do. I wrote for one specific scenario; you're starting grossly overweight (where you will have a high BMR) and need to lose fat quickly to gather momentum. Losing one pound a week in the beginning is discouraging and you'll give up on it too quickly, which is why I've advocated two per week at the very least. The momentum helps prevent you from relapsing on junk food and losing all that hard work.

I haven't edited my original post yet as I'm still fine-tuning my own strategy, but I'm probably going to decrease the 10,500 to 7,000 across the board. It's OK to slow down once you've put in all that work, and you've gotten "addicted to losing" so to speak. This week with just 7,000 burnt, I've lost a nice half-inch off my waistline. Once you hit a BMR of about 1,800 or so, you'll probably only be able to mathematically lose one pound a week, which is a deficit of 3,500. I'm nearing only 1,800 a day for free, so it starts getting numerically impossible to achieve anything over 3,500. Most cardio for an hour only gets you up to 350 burnt or so, which should put into perspective how "expensive" empty calories really are. 350 is a really sugary soda.

"Skinny fat" becomes the new challenge as you near your goal. You could be very light but have a high body fat percentage. This is where you really start needing to eat better rather than simply eating less. The overarcing theme of my original post is that junk food is an addiction you eventually need to stop. Anything with flavoring like sugar, fat, and salt needs to go. I'm probably going to be switching back to that godawful chicken breast. It's boring and flavorless, but it packs a protein punch that preserves muscle and fills you up being calorie-dense. I'm beginning to believe that food needs to be treated as a boring fuel, not as something that actually can be enjoyed, because anything enjoyable is just too bad for you.
 
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So I'm readjusting my diet yet again to work around the free pizza lunches that my new job keeps providing.

On the other hand: free pizza, yay. :)
 
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I'm probably going to be switching back to that godawful chicken breast. It's boring and flavorless, but it packs a protein punch that preserves muscle and fills you up being calorie-dense. I'm beginning to believe that food needs to be treated as a boring fuel, not as something that actually can be enjoyed, because anything enjoyable is just too bad for you.
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Season your damn food.

You're right about not pouring on salt, but a little does go a long way. It's easy to forget how little a dish really needs because prepackaged food has that shit dumped in. When you prepare said chicken breast at home, you're in much more control. A sprinkle of a shaker over your food is different from getting it industrially mixed in.

Chili, garlic, ginger, pepper, cinnamon, paprika, turmeric...basically just arm sweep the spice section at the grocery store...those will liven up your meals with no calories. Lemon juice, lime juice, mustard, hot sauce, and vinegar are also ways to make stuff have a taste without adding excessive calories. Fresh herbs like cilantro aren't just garnish, they're flavors.

If you look at and treat food as "boring fuel", you're more inclined to give up and eat something fattening that's tasty but makes you feel guilty and distance yourself from your goals. But if you find other ways to enjoy your meals on your diet plan, you'll stay on track and develop new habits...without being miserable.
 
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I've only been at my new job for a week but I think I'm already getting slightly smaller/more toned just from having to be on my feet/keep switching tasks/move stuff around all day

retail is brutal but damn it does wonders when it comes to getting fit
 
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Yeah if you spend most of the day on your feet having to move around and do stuff it's gonna make your life much better to begin with. Couple that with sensitive eating and it will help you lose weight/get better physically.

Of course nothing beats actual physical activity, but what you're doing is better than inactivity that's for sure
 
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That's great

Swimming, something else or just counting calories?
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Ketogenic diet. My appetite is destroyed and it's great. It used to be that I was never full. I could literally eat until I was in pain from being bloated and still want food. Every single day was basically an uphill battle to not want more food, and when there's little reason to do that (i.e. a girl) the fight just wasn't there. The most weight I ever lost was in Portland, going from 250lb to 185lb, but that was because 1) there was a girl, 2) I walked daily to the Safeway to buy only that day's meals, and I'd usually just get sushi or a salmon steak and pad the day with instant ramen. Over eating just wasn't possible because my diet was restricted by what I bought that day.
 
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Ketogenic diet. My appetite is destroyed and it's great. It used to be that I was never full. I could literally eat until I was in pain from being bloated and still want food. Every single day was basically an uphill battle to not want more food, and when there's little reason to do that (i.e. a girl) the fight just wasn't there. The most weight I ever lost was in Portland, going from 250lb to 185lb, but that was because 1) there was a girl, 2) I walked daily to the Safeway to buy only that day's meals, and I'd usually just get sushi or a salmon steak and pad the day with instant ramen.
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Good that you've found something that works for you. The worrying thing though is: how are you gonna keep it up, once you lose the weight? Seems you need to either

1) Find a girl permanently
2) Eat keto the rest of your life
3) Find a way to control your appetite
4) Get in the habit of working out regularly to keep the weight in check

or, you know, more or less all 4

Hopefully by losing weight you will find that you can stuff way less food before reaching 'that point', and it's gonna help. Other than that, veggies are also great if you want to fill yourself. It's gonna take a long fucking time for you to ever get fat on celery and salad.

I'm guessing going back to 185lbs and remembering how great it feels not to be the way you were should be the motivation for a while. Just don't fuck off to asia for a few more years lol
 
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I'm guessing going back to 185lbs and remembering how great it feels not to be the way you were should be the motivation for a while. Just don't fuck off to asia for a few more years lol
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I'd like to get down to 175, because even at 185 I looked frumpy. If I get under 200 I might try to take up Kickboxing or Swimming.
 
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