Weight loss support thread

[Brahma]

There's some preliminary data in the area of artificial sweeteners having an affect on gut microbiome volumes and diversity and some more in the area of them possibly overstimulating sugar receptors in the mouth knocking our "sugar barometer" out of whack leading to overconsumption when we do eat foods with natural sugar and making less sugary foods like fruities and vegs baseline palatability lower and possibly does nothing to blunt your sugar cravings.
Former is being looked at by Cedar Sinai and the latter by Harvard med afair but not published yet I think.

I lump them in with issues like seed oils, processed carbs etc.

In other words, the science isn't altogether clear, but specifically to me I seem to be able to keep myself on track better if I'm not consuming the above so fuck it, I'll avoid them. Might be by microbiome, or genetics, or just mental/behavioural. Doesn't matter at the end of the day.

 

[bile demon]

I noticed that when I went on a keto diet, I had zero cavities, and I usually get like one or two small cavities a year.

Cavities are caused by malnutrition. The key factor for preventing cavities are fat-soluble vitamins. Adequate intake of calcium and phosphorus is necessary, but not sufficient on its own. When saliva of people deficient in fat-soluble vitamins is mixed with ground bone or teeth, the concentration of phosphorous in the saliva increases, whereas the opposite happens with saliva of people with abundant dietary intake of these vitamins. With proper diet, your saliva deposits phosphorus in your teeth, preventing tooth decay. In the state of malnutrition, your saliva demineralizes your teeth, making you more susceptible to cavities. Your teeth were healthier on a ketogenic diet because you ate a greater amount of animal fat and thus a greater amount of the lipophilic vitamins dissolved in it.

The deleterious effects of being deficient in A, D, E and K expand far beyond teeth and bones. Some people report dramatic improvements in their overall health and wellbeing on a ketogenic diet; I believe this is the primary reason.

 

[Derka Derka]

Cavities are caused by malnutrition. The key factor for preventing cavities are fat-soluble vitamins. Adequate intake of calcium and phosphorus is necessary, but not sufficient on its own. When saliva of people deficient in fat-soluble vitamins is mixed with ground bone or teeth, the concentration of phosphorous in the saliva increases, whereas the opposite happens with saliva of people with abundant dietary intake of these vitamins. With proper diet, your saliva deposits phosphorus in your teeth, preventing tooth decay. In the state of malnutrition, your saliva demineralizes your teeth, making you more susceptible to cavities. Your teeth were healthier on a ketogenic diet because you ate a greater amount of animal fat and thus a greater amount of the lipophilic vitamins dissolved in it.

The deleterious effects of being deficient in A, D, E and K expand far beyond teeth and bones. Some people report dramatic improvements in their overall health and wellbeing on a ketogenic diet; I believe this is the primary reason.

Suck on candy all day, on any diet, and you will see cavities regardless
(The ketogenic diet should eliminate all the refined sugars though)

 

[bile demon]

Suck on candy all day, on any diet, and you will see cavities regardless
(The ketogenic diet should eliminate all the refined sugars though)

The amount of cavities you would see while sucking on candy all day is proportional to the dietary deficiency of the nutrients the body needs to combat tooth decay.

Some primitive tribes had certain potato-like root vegetables as a major part of their diet. As a result, their teeth were caked in leftover starch all day long.
From some random fag website:

It may surprise you to learn that the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry has discovered that starchy foods are worse for our children’s teeth than sugar foods. This is due directly to the amount of time the teeth are exposed to each of these substances. The longer the food is stuck in the teeth, the higher the chances of developing dental cavities and tooth decay.

And yet these stone age niggers who have never heard of a toothbrush or a toothpaste had hardly any cavities, because apart from those starchy vegetables, their diet also contained an abundant amount of lipophilic vitamins.

You can eliminate all sugar from your diet if you want to, but without adequate nutrition, your teeth will still rot. A ketogenic diet with nutrient-poor fats (for example, vegetable oils) will do nothing to avert tooth decay.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

Good idea… Is it the carbonation in soft drinks that is the problem?

I noticed that when I went on a keto diet, I had zero cavities, and I usually get like one or two small cavities a year.

Dental damage can happen two ways, external via acid and sugars, but the one way that nobody ever thinks about is insufficient blood flow/nutrients to reach the dentin.
Excess sugar/diabetes fucks up your veins and arteries much earlier than many people think, it's one of the main reasons for blindness in the aging population nowadays.

(And yes, carbonation does somewhat harm teeth, but not by too much, saliva counteracts most of the effects fast enough that, unless you're sucking down fizzy drinks multiple times an hour, it's unlikely going to be the main reason why you get dental damage)

 

[johnny johnny yes papa]

I'm on my way bros. I've already cut out sugary drinks and snacks and seed oils. Now I just need to cut down on breads.

 

[Fapcop]

Dental damage can happen two ways, external via acid and sugars, but the one way that nobody ever thinks about is insufficient blood flow/nutrients to reach the dentin.
Excess sugar/diabetes fucks up your veins and arteries much earlier than many people think, it's one of the main reasons for blindness in the aging population nowadays.

(And yes, carbonation does somewhat harm teeth, but not by too much, saliva counteracts most of the effects fast enough that, unless you're sucking down fizzy drinks multiple times an hour, it's unlikely going to be the main reason why you get dental damage)

I really don’t think it’s malnutrition btw.

I’ve been told by dentists that some people just have teeth more prone to cavities.

(Though obviously less sugar helps).

Or am I totally wrong and malnourished?!

 

[Raisincrest]

Well, I managed to hit the 20 lbs. milestone this week. I'm currently sitting at 221.5 lbs., with the current weight loss of 22.7 lbs.

I've decided to aim higher (or lower, I guess). My original goal weight was 185 lbs., but now I'm going for 175 lbs.

Oh, I haven't updated this in a while. Got too busy enjoying life (also, putting in the daily grind at work).

When I weighed in this morning, I was at 205.9 lbs. That puts me at a total loss of 38.3 lbs.

I'm still aiming for 175 lbs. - 185 lbs.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

I’ve been told by dentists that some people just have teeth more prone to cavities.

That's true

(Though obviously less sugar helps).

Or am I totally wrong and malnourished?!

Malnutrition (of tissues) is either you not having the nutrients available, or not having the nutrients be able to reach said tissue.
This is why diabetics get amputations, their limbs get starved of everything and eventually get necrosis, but delayed healing happens much earlier.

 

[GungusDingaling]

Toddler size + hypothyroid, regretfully.

Have you tried Selenium for the hypothyroid?

https://youtu.be/53eqdCTMRVw?si=CpR0177pyt1d96Wk

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

Have you tried Selenium for the hypothyroid?

https://youtu.be/53eqdCTMRVw?si=CpR0177pyt1d96Wk

I haven't, but I'll definitely look into it, thanks!

 

[skekChuck]

Been working on my diet and daily activity.
Even did a 5K swim race.
Weight won’t move but my clothing size did go down.
I don’t want to get too constrictive on Calories quite yet since I’m still doing long-distance swim and running dedicated miles. But man I wish that number would just fucking move down.

Have lost 60lbs since high school, just wish I could get over this wall.

 

[Battery Low]

Firstly grats on -60lbs!

Secondly, I'm sure you're aware of this, but you sound like you're living through a demonstration of this:



I can relate to wanting to see the number shift but building muscle is not only awesome in itself but it's a "hungrier" tissue so hopefully your baseline burn is going up too.

 

[Derka Derka]

Been working on my diet and daily activity.
Even did a 5K swim race.
Weight won’t move but my clothing size did go down.
I don’t want to get too constrictive on Calories quite yet since I’m still doing long-distance swim and running dedicated miles. But man I wish that number would just fucking move down.

Have lost 60lbs since high school, just wish I could get over this wall.

It's not so much the calories ... it's the type of food you are eating.

Processed foods (especially with refined carbs) will happily keep your bodies fat stores topped up.
Go into Ketosis, and move your primary energy source from sugars to fats
(and you don't get fat just eating fat ... but you will if you add refined carbs)

 

[deermeat]

Im stressed and burnt out as all shit. I started a new job and aftet my training rheres this "transitional period" where your scheduled for a fucton of hours. Ive worked 10 days in a row, today is my last day, the 11th day. Then I finally get a break. Its a retail job.

Between that and the stress prior, Ive geniuely started emotionally eating. Only because my anxiety has been so insane its unbearable. I feel like Ive reached a straw where I need to see a therapist, or a psychiatrist. I need medication. I need something.

Theres this one medication that I want and like... Heres the thing, man. You cant go see a doctor and say "hey give me this one medication" which sucks. I dont remember the name rn but it treats ADHD and binge eating disorder.
I gained 10 pounds within two weeks. I spend over $300. What exactly do I do? How do I aproach this? What do I tell the doctor? Im so tired of them prescribing me antidepressants, I dont need antidepressants. Im not depressed because Im depressed, I get depressed because of my severe anxiety which triggers every major problem I deal with. Its the cause of literally everything. Its not social anxiety, its not some petty shit. Its crippling OCD. Actual OCD,as in untreated but diagnosed.

I dont care if this is a PL i have nothing to lose man. Well, except weight.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Last year i did a fuckload of cardio and was walking around 8 km a day, jogging, hiking , etc it may have helped health wise but not so much with my weight, my metabolism sucks, diet and cardio alone don't do much for me, the intensity i'd have to maintain its too high to be viable long term and is very frustating to be spending so much time on it and still be overweight a year later

I've only started seeing results a few months ago when i added weight training, i have a 4 day dumbell routine thats working great for me and can notice how fat weight gets replaced by muscle weight and clothes actually start fitting better. I've been very consistent with it but i fell off for a couple weeks, mostly due to work and stuff, i've also tried to keep up with at least 8k steps daily walking or do half and hour in the stationary bike but i've been much more inconsistent with that, again for being paying more attention to work, i am not hiking every sunday like i usually do but i'd probably go back this week, last sunday i was tired from not sleeping well and just didn't have the energy.

I used to be able to drop weight quickly if i set my mind on it , i've gone from fat to fit before but at my age i have to temper my expectations a lot, it has to be more of a lifestyle change than just a temporary thing.

 

[skekChuck]

Go into Ketosis, and move your primary energy source from sugars to fats

Next week I intend on doing a no-salt diet.

I don’t typically eat fast food, don’t drink pop, and I rarely have alcohol.

I do think that it’s probably my background stress and that, even being nutritious food, it’s still too much when I eat it. Too much of good things are still too much.

It’s been a lifetime of learning because my parents are unhealthy and I’m trying to relearn how to have a healthy relationship with food.

 

[Derka Derka]

Next week I intend on doing a no-salt diet.

I don’t typically eat fast food, don’t drink pop, and I rarely have alcohol.

I do think that it’s probably my background stress and that, even being nutritious food, it’s still too much when I eat it. Too much of good things are still too much.

It’s been a lifetime of learning because my parents are unhealthy and I’m trying to relearn how to have a healthy relationship with food.

What's the point of "no-salt" ?

Unless you are metabolically unhealthy, your body is designed to process common salts/electrolytes. Even in large quantities

Keep this in mind .... Most modern "healthy" foods didn't exist a century ago (or was only available in a specific part of the world)

 

[skekChuck]

What's the point of "no-salt" ?

It kind of resets your tastebuds. Everything naturally has sodium and you only need 1/4 tsp a day to remain healthy.

In excess, it seems to contribute to fluid retention, especially if you have a desk job.
So combined movement, lowered salt intake, etc. just resets you.

I only do it in 1-2 week increments but it seems to have been the times I felt the absolute best.

Edit to clarify:
It’s basically a week of basic food. Meat, veggie, and dairy (minus cheese).
Also, Reduce all sugar intake outside of fruit. I found a love of poached chicken and marinated grilled chicken.

The results I had noticed pertained to leg swelling mostly. I’m pretty sure I’ve inherited lymphedema, so seeing my legs be less swollen was amazing. Only time it ever happened was with reducing my salt intake.


I also don’t try to shop for the marketed “health foods.”
My trip-up is simply eating too much of my own cooking.

 

[Derka Derka]

It kind of resets your tastebuds. Everything naturally has sodium and you only need 1/4 tsp a day to remain healthy.

In excess, it seems to contribute to fluid retention, especially if you have a desk job.
So combined movement, lowered salt intake, etc. just resets you.

I only do it in 1-2 week increments but it seems to have been the times I felt the absolute best.

Edit to clarify:
It’s basically a week of basic food. Meat, veggie, and dairy (minus cheese).
Also, Reduce all sugar intake outside of fruit. I found a love of poached chicken and marinated grilled chicken.

The results I had noticed pertained to leg swelling mostly. I’m pretty sure I’ve inherited lymphedema, so seeing my legs be less swollen was amazing. Only time it ever happened was with reducing my salt intake.


I also don’t try to shop for the marketed “health foods.”
My trip-up is simply eating too much of my own cooking.

I eat significantly more salt than 1/4ts (just finished snacking on salted jerky I made over the weekend), and also work a desk job and have no swelling.
To further qualify this, I used to have very bad swelling (edema), that look like was caused by gluten (or processed ingredients in gluten containing food). Since I got rid of all grains/carbs/sugar etc this went away.
To me it sounds like you have an ongoing metabolic issue, that "something" you are eating is keeping you inflammed.
I would look at an elimination protocol, to try figure it out.