If you wanna get autistic about it, you could make the argument that it's a self-preservation method. Better to be compliant and pretend nothing is wrong than risk Jimmy doing something fucked up because you're stuck with him for months on end, because what else can you do?
On the flipside, I had zero idea that there even was any sort of rape history between them. Anya, at first glance, just seems like a very dour person who's just super depressed, neurotic, and messy naturally. Considering she failed med school 8 fucking times, it's likely.
Because the story is written as a #metoo story about workplace harassment/assault. Jimmy is the toxic coworker using his authority and friendship with upper management (curly) to get away with his abuse while Anya is the quiet low level employee who needs the job but feels she can't address her problems with upper management because her abuser is is friends with them, so she is forced to suffer in silence and just carry on until the pregnancy complicated things.
Also I was thinking on the theme of responsibly in the game. Was Anya's responsibly speaking up? She did like and respect Curly even if he was friends with Jimmy and she also had Swansea who isn't a fan of Jimmy either and the intern who is portrayed as super nice and seems like the kinda guy to white knight for her. She had lots of options for help but didn't take any of them, instead she drops the pregnancy news on Jimmy and causes his freak out and dooms the whole crew.
It's more believable to have the backstory of the crew shipping mouthwash across the galaxy happen irl than a modern media actually expecting women to be responsible for their actions and their surrounding. In the end the game cucks out on actually saying what happens between Anya and Jimmy because that would force it to commit to a writing style, but instead it's a void that is replaced by the player's imagination which of course have a good chunk of the playerbase put Jimmy as a mega rapist even if it makes no sense.
Forget about the question of if the babby is the result of bad decision making or malicious decision making; Jimmy tried to crash the plane with no survivors and the captain let him.
I think his grasp of English is pretty good, and as a story it was alright (it didn’t overstay its welcome, which is a perennial issue with “modern” creepypasta). You’re definitely correct that it follows its inspiration too closely, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing - at least as a writing exercise.
My real problem with the metaphors were Wendi cummering the literal second they started and I'm not the biggest metaphor guy. Some legit made me roll my eyes, especially since this is a cut throat soldier's diary. Like I get it, he's an ex-artilleryman (so gay) and has a diary (so extra gay). As the story picked up and the raid happened I was all in. Enjoyed that section a lot.
I don't care it's based on Blood Meridian and tried to avoid mentioning that at all. Yeah I wish online writers would stop just copying other people's shit and change like two things, but if you're gonna copy Blood Meridian for your spooky Western themed story ... I can't fault you there. I just had a problem with sudden exposition dumping injun and then the eneding where the main character IS GOING TO DIE by blowing up HIS BOMB and writting that shit all down first, in the middle of the night, while his horse is crushing him, WHILE THE MONSTER IS RIGHT THERE.
Sure glad the child murdering raped injun monster let him finish his diary first.
Honestly, I'm bummed that IH didn't have a role here. He made a excellent Gary and despite his whimsical tone(for lack of a better word) there was something truly sinister underneath it. Like "Haha he's a silly and quirky demon," to "Oh fuck, this thing is fucking *evil,*" without even knowing what the ritual entails.
BallMouthwashing was an overrated walking simulator with one of the most insufferable fanbases ever. However, I'm glad someone like Wendigoon covered it, not because I particularly care what he had to say, but because most of the people that like this game have an irrational hatred of him. I hope he puts his hands all over their favorite things.
I enjoyed his video of the rapture nigger though. I actually don't mind when Wendigoon talks more about his faith, and I kind of miss the bible story videos he used to do.
BallMouthwashing was an overrated walking simulator with one of the most insufferable fanbases ever. However, I'm glad someone like Wendigoon covered it, not because I particularly care what he had to say, but because most of the people that like this game have an irrational hatred of him. I hope he puts his hands all over their favorite things.
I enjoyed his video of the rapture nigger though. I actually don't mind when Wendigoon talks more about his faith, and I kind of miss the bible story videos he used to do.
That and nonstop tech issues. It did lead to a great gag in the last episode where the tech issue was on the Lore Lodge side of the equation for once (they got everything set up and working but moved the computer to the edge of their wifi network so they weren't using one of their other sets) and when they ironed it out Wendi pretended that he still had a 4-5 second delay for a few exchanges which made Mattis look like he was dead inside
Mattis did say he was planning on adding a new show to the Weird Bible channel just so that it isn't completely stagnant but I don't think he gave any specific details about what it would be, I assume this was on the weekly live show the Lore Lodge does but I have no idea what episode it would be. I think it was towards the end of September based on where I remember being when I heard it but don't hold me to it
I do think Weird Bible would be a lot better with the creepcast format where it's pre-recorded and edited. I know it probably doesn't make enough to justify an editor but I feel like the second channel videos only exist to give those writers/editors a regular check plus a bit extra for Wendi with minimal effort on his part so he could probably just have them do it without spending too much
Late, but I really liked that story. And being in Nuevo Mehico I knew exactly where everything was taking place, how it looks, and how absolutely ethereal the Southwest desert can be.
It was tight, it was just long enough, the monster was great, overall it was a banger.
E: emphasis on walkthrough. The (admittedly shitty, apart from Hunter's) voiceover dialogue is nice, but so far he's not doing anything different from all the other youtubers out there. It's really funny that Kayla voices Anya
E2: the voiceover has grown on me, but Kayla is still pretty bad. You know, this story is intentionally or unintentionally kind of based. Jimmy seems exactly like the kind of guy who would get a long thread on here, maybe in the skinditch.
Curly is a Aryan man presumably of pure Northern European descent with A10 eyes.
While Jimmy is a Swarthy Man, presumably of "Southern European" if not L*tinx admixture. He's the main villain, responsible for all the pain and suffering that happens in the game.
What did the devs mean by this???
For whatever it's worth, in the outro of the Lore Lodge video today Mattis said he'd talked to Mr. Goon and hopefully a new episode of Weird Bible Soon™ now that he's not moving/traveling for a bit
I think beyond the lock question, the best evidence that something bad happened was the conversation between Curly and Jimmy right before the crash where Jimmy says how it's over for both of them as "The ship, the crew, everything that happened here" was Curly's responsibility and that's all he'd hear for the rest of his life. This is Jimmy acknowledging his actions as socially damaging, and I don't know why impregnating Anya would qualify unless the circumstances were dubious; to answer the question, I think rape/sexual assault was implied rather than stated, but I do think it was indeed implied (I don't know what else would apply here).
When I played it looked to me more like they were casually fucking until rape lady realized he is unhinged and she got pregnant in the process and now in the position where she feels uncomfortable but still able to interact with him (which is really weird type of interaction if he did rape her).
That's my issue with the "evidence" for rape though, none of it tells us about their relationship before the crash and neither of the two behave in a way befitting a rapist with a secret and his terrified victim who despises him. I don't know about "casually fucking" but I can easily see an unhealthy relationship between the two, and coercive sexual assault in that context is much more plausible to me than drugging her or violent rape.
There's a moment three months after the crash where Jimmy catches Anya and Swansea secretly talking in the cockpit (as far away from the others as possible), Jimmy confronts Anya over not pilling Curly and instead of forcing her to do it (which she volunteers to do, and would also separate her from Swansea thereby stopping her from potentially revealing Jimmy's actions) he leaves both of them there to continue conspiring and does it himself. In his following "conversation" with Curly he says, "I know what everyone is thinking. The way they look at me. What could I even say? And then... What would she do? Damnit! Here we are now. Me in the driver's seat. Thanks for that." "Me in the driver's seat" tells us this is about him being captain, but why does he care about Anya's reaction? He's not afraid of her revealing his actions, he didn't stop her earlier with Swansea when she was crying (which should be a major red flag for him). I think he's paranoid because he knows he's living a lie, he crashed the Tulpar and blamed it on Curly; he could be honest and admit this, reveal he's out of his depths, but instead of Anya shouldn't he be worried about what Swansea (the most antagonistic of the crew) would do? Why would he care about what Anya would think, if he doesn't care about her at all and only views her as a hole to use?
In general I never bought the idea that he doesn't care about her or doesn't consider her as a person, every "deeper" conversation Jimmy has is with Curly (his old friend) or Anya; talks about what to do with Curly, their worst moments not defining them (something he remembers until the very end), the possibility of rescue. Daisuke follows his lead as captain, Swansea is antagonistic towards him, but Anya is the only one who engages with him further; she's also the only one who ever asks something of him, from pilling Curly to getting the scanner for the cargo hold to axing the foam for her medicine, and while Jimmy complains he always gives in. He's not "nice" to her but he isn't "nice" to anyone, Curly talks about his "bullshit" with the medical report and he shits on the entire crew once learning Pony Express went under; in a way they "know" each other, she knew he'd flip out and do something drastic so she hid the gun (she was right as he crashed the ship in an attempt to kill them all) and he instantly realized that she wasn't actually trapped in medical, while Daisuke was still floundering. On that last point, if Jimmy knew Anya was going to kill the baby (and probably herself) and if he didn't care about her at all; why bother trying to stop her? This is the problem solving itself, and Daisuke just thinks she's stuck. Jimmy could've said she was having an emotional moment and they'll check on her the next day, instead of bringing up Curly (which kept Daisuke interested); he could've said there's nothing they can do when Swansea stopped them, instead of suggesting and crafting a way to deal with him. Daisuke is the perfect lackey as he respects Jimmy and is also mentally slow, and Jimmy sent him through a power outlet to get to Anya; even in the end, when Jimmy blew his brains out, the argument is that all of a sudden he really cares about what he did to someone he doesn't view as human?
I have a lot more to say on this but I don't think most of it was brought up in this thread, hence why I somewhat consider this derailing; the rape stuff is all I ever see discussed with Mouthwashing though and I linked a video later in this post that's the perfect encapsulation of Mouthwashing discourse.
I strongly believe that all Mouthwashing theorizing revolves around one simple rule; "Jimmy is evil". The reasoning behind anything that occurs? Jimmy is evil. You see this in Wendi's video, Jimmy telling Anya he'll "take care" of whatever task is actually a dig at her for not aborting their child like he said at the start; nevermind that he also said this to Curly right before trying to kill them all, and that it's reflective of his broader arc concepts (taking responsibility, "earning" the rank of captain that he doesn't deserve, etc etc). Jimmy's post-foam apology and humility towards Curly isn't because he realized he isn't capable of serving as captain, as seen by his outburst at Anya a moment ago and his anxieties from a month prior, it's because he hates responsibility and once Curly feels better "everything can go back to how it used to be", and therefore "he needs Curly to make sure Jimmy can remain a captain" (wtf was this point?). Jimmy can't even kill himself as that actually means that he's a coward who is "afraid to take accountability"; the better option was obviously to kill Curly, take the cryopod for himself and then upon being rescued Jimmy should turn himself in. Nevermind the fact that the sequence of Polle/his kid calling him out, which results in his suicide, is named "Judgement"; nevermind the fact that his entire character is based around his inability to take responsibility, with that being Polle's final word. No, killing himself can't possibly be him finally taking responsibility; it has to be selfish and bad somehow because, as stated. Jimmy is evil.
Again I really do hate the Mouthwashing fandom, if it's not clear I actually like the game quite a bit and I really do like Jimmy as a character but basically every single video is the exact same and Wendi's video (which is currently at 1.3 million views a week after release) is mostly the same as the rest. I got recommended a video right after Wendi's named "Mouthwashing: A Beautiful Game Undermined by Its Fandom", and it's exactly the kind of thing I'm referring to in this post. Wendi doesn't link it with his "favorite videos" on the game but it's really the perfect epitome of the discourse I've seen, it whines about not just the rape in the game but "rape culture" alongside fanart of Anya and art of a "good ending" where Jimmy stepped up and took responsibility for their kid; the guy calls these people "rape sympathizers", and he also censors the word "rape" so there are these fantastic, hard-hitting sentences like "this game is about ____, full stop. There's no beating around the bush, this game is about ____". Also, this is what popped up when I clicked his channel:
(lol)
One last bit of autism from me, Wendi notes how a detail he likes is that the gun is the "Chiappa Rhino", and he likes that as it "has a very retro futuristic aesthetic to it" and "it's typically used in high sci-fi stories as a sort of futuristic cowboy six shooter". Except it's not, the gun from the game is the Mateba Autorevolver and I just found it weird that Boogaloo Boy didn't recognize it when it's basically the only revolver with this specific profile (Rhinos have large vents on the top and are generally more angular). I'd like to blame this on Wendigang writers but you see it close-up a few times and I'm surprised he didn't notice it while playing, I wouldn't blame anyone else for making this mistake but he's a gun guy and it's a unique piece so what happened? Terrible video.
I think it's the crux of the issue. Trying to re-rail the thread, imagine if any talk on Blood Meridian being summed up as "The main cast is evil and are at fault for everything". "X is evil" just a thought terminating argument that makes any talk of the work pointless because, if the main character is simply evil why should we take anything he does to heart and see if we also share those faults?
There is also something weirdly childish with modern society where people will try to humanize child murderers but rapists are the one step too far moral wise. You see it a lot in Creepcast, absolute bizarre moral framework without any rhyme or reason.
Jimmy can't even kill himself as that actually means that he's a coward who is "afraid to take accountability"; the better option was obviously to kill Curly, take the cryopod for himself and then upon being rescued Jimmy should turn himself in. Nevermind the fact that the sequence of Polle/his kid calling him out, which results in his suicide, is named "Judgement"; nevermind the fact that his entire character is based around his inability to take responsibility, with that being Polle's final word. No, killing himself can't possibly be him finally taking responsibility; it has to be selfish and bad somehow because, as stated. Jimmy is evil.
Jimmy's last acts isn't really him taking actual responsibility, it is him doing what he thinks is taking responsibility but just makes things worse. He doesn't actually repent for his actions and take accountability instead he uses his final acts to "save" Curly and have him serve as a witness of what happened and then killed himself... But Curly is fucking mute, crippled beyond repair, and in constant agony who should have been mercy killed months ago. If he is rescued he will be unable to explain what happened, live a life that is complete tourture, and as captain (and the guy who recommend Jimmy) he would still be blamed for the actions on the ship, meanwhile Jimmy is just another casualty who had the quickest easiest death out of the whole crew. If Jimmy was serious about taking responsibility he should have written a suicide note confessing his crimes in his own words instead of relying on the traumatized mute cripple (that may not even be rescued in time) to tell the story for him.
I'd like to blame this on Wendigang writers but you see it close-up a few times and I'm surprised he didn't notice it while playing, I wouldn't blame anyone else for making this mistake but he's a gun guy and it's a unique piece so what happened? Terrible video.
I blame the fandom for that one, he likely read it somewhere when doing "research" for the game and rolled with it without thinking just like the roofie theory.
Honestly after Mouthwashing I wouldn't want Wendi covering a game I like and just reading off tumbler headcanons for a few hours. I would dread an MGS video from him.
There is also something weirdly childish with modern society where people will try to humanize child murderers but rapists are the one step too far moral wise.
I think audiences are really suseptible, don't pay that much attention, and take everything at face value. If a story says "this is the bad guy" then people will just go along with it, if it says "this guy isn't really bad, just misunderstood" audiences will go along with it too. There are plenty of rapey characters that audiences latch onto because the story makes them sympathetic, sexy, or otherwise ok to say you like them. Mouthwashing leaves no room for sympathy for Jimmy which is why people are rabid about him.
Honestly after Mouthwashing I wouldn't want Wendi covering a game I like and just reading off tumbler headcanons for a few hours. I would dread an MGS video from him.
Bro, if I can actively shit on the dumb shit he's saying for once, I'll fill like a winner.
So many times does he cover some shit I do not care about and I have to sit quietly as all the kids who love it argue with each other. I WANT MY TIME TO ARGUE OK
One last bit of autism from me, Wendi notes how a detail he likes is that the gun is the "Chiappa Rhino", and he likes that as it "has a very retro futuristic aesthetic to it" and "it's typically used in high sci-fi stories as a sort of futuristic cowboy six shooter". Except it's not, the gun from the game is the Mateba Autorevolver and I just found it weird that Boogaloo Boy didn't recognize it when it's basically the only revolver with this specific profile (Rhinos have large vents on the top and are generally more angular). I'd like to blame this on Wendigang writers but you see it close-up a few times and I'm surprised he didn't notice it while playing, I wouldn't blame anyone else for making this mistake but he's a gun guy and it's a unique piece so what happened? Terrible video.
A thought just crossed my mind that is really funny. The game Signalis does feature the Chiappa Rhino as a usable weapon. There is legitimately a non-zero chance Wendigoon was thinking about Signalis and just got his wires crossed in his brain over which strange looking revolver was in which game.
