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Here's something I'm wondering; what is the deal with being mad at fans who find/see leaked content? Back when some Steven Universe episodes were leaked early, the artists online got all pissy about fans enjoying the leaked songs. More recently I saw a video talking about Alastor from Hazbin Hotel's beta human design being leaked and Vivziepop getting all shitty about fans who liked the beta design more than the one that became canon (it was a minor difference, fwiw, it wasn't a "vivzie can't design" thing it was a "we liked this leaked art" thing.)

I get being mad at leakers, who are intentionally taking what you're working on and showing people before you're ready, but I don't get being mad at otherwise well-intentioned fans that happen to see leaks. Sometimes leaks are just huge and everywhere and unavoidable, and I don't think this is really a case of "supply and demand" where fans are the reason leakers do it. Sometimes people just be leaking. It just seems so childish and shitty to be like "if you liked my song/character design that wasn't supposed to come out, fuck you and I hate you."
 
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I don’t mean to interrupt the superhero talk, but I found what might be that story about The Oatmeal’s neglected horses. Or at least something close to it. Either way, I do not recommend reading this while eating.
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forgive me for doubleposting, but this is exactly the story I was remembering (and where the pic came from!) I'm pretty sure somewhere else on his site there's a hate mail page that was made just after some big long email he got about this story. Like he'd had some hate mail already, but the reaction to the horse story pushed him over the edge.
I don't like the unreliable narration aspect. He's trying to be funny when he's like "waah my brother and I had to wade through 4 feet deep shit to clean the horse troughs," but BRO that would mean your horses were standing in 4 feet of their own shit! A horse is like, 4'5" on average. 4 feet of shit would mean the horse is neck-deep in its own poop. Later when he's talking about Toby, he says the poop was almost too deep to run/jog in, so I'm gonna assume that's only 6-8" of horse shit at most, but that's still horrific. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no animal husband, but aren't horses notoriously fragile? Especially their fucked up finger-like legs?? They'd be getting sores and infections all the way up their pasterns! No wonder his horses would throw themselves full-speed at the electric fence, I'd do that too if my alternative was living in my own shit 24/7 with no enrichment.
I used to read The Oatmeal and thought it was hilarious when I was 14, but that story is so disgusting now as an adult (and not because of haha poop.) I get he was a dumb fat kid at the time, and his parents are probably more to blame for the neglect of the horses, but it's still messed up that as an adult Matthew is like "lmao horses are stupid and I hate them." Like bro you mistreated the hell out of those horses, it's no fucking wonder you had a bad experience with them. That's you(r family's) failure, not the animals'.
 
Thanks to Just Stop, I sucked it up and watched Fixed. I don't think I'll ever watch it again, but it wasn't bad, characters actually are rather endearing for being dogs (remembering they're based off his friend circle makes me wonder what exactly was borrowed/referenced). Pretty sure there were a few moments of Genndy paying tribute to some of his influences, like I'm 99.9% certain the cat alleyway scene was an homage to Chuck Jones, and that the "human position" moment was a way to poke fun of anthropomorphism.

Weirdly enough, I do honestly feel like this was the movie that Rover Dangerfield wanted to be but wasn't allowed to.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Thanks to Just Stop, I sucked it up and watched Fixed. I don't think I'll ever watch it again, but it wasn't bad, characters actually are rather endearing for being dogs (remembering they're based off his friend circle makes me wonder what exactly was borrowed/referenced). Pretty sure there were a few moments of Genndy paying tribute to some of his influences, like I'm 99.9% certain the cat alleyway scene was an homage to Chuck Jones, and that the "human position" moment was a way to poke fun of anthropomorphism.

Weirdly enough, I do honestly feel like this was the movie that Rover Dangerfield wanted to be but wasn't allowed to.
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Is it really that okay? Not good in the sense that you can sing its praises, but that you can get some entertainment out of it? Just curious.
 
Gorillion others said:
Is it really that okay? Not good in the sense that you can sing its praises, but that you can get some entertainment out of it? Just curious.
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Yeah, I had some chuckles here and there with one actual LOL moment. Lots of wordplay that differentiates it from modern screenwriting (though I think the script has remained relatively unchanged from 2009), and the use of cuss words has a more natural feel to it than just "LOL the dogs are saying 'fuck' and talking about their assholes, isn't that FUNNY IRONIC?"

Now I'm not a dog owner, so what's this whole "kool-aid in the toilet bowl" thing? It feels like an exaggeration of how owners "bribe" their dogs before going to the vet.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Kari Kamiya said:
Thanks to Just Stop, I sucked it up and watched Fixed. I don't think I'll ever watch it again, but it wasn't bad, characters actually are rather endearing for being dogs (remembering they're based off his friend circle makes me wonder what exactly was borrowed/referenced). Pretty sure there were a few moments of Genndy paying tribute to some of his influences, like I'm 99.9% certain the cat alleyway scene was an homage to Chuck Jones, and that the "human position" moment was a way to poke fun of anthropomorphism.
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I bet. Joking of how often we accept that and not think too much of how weird it looks in real life.

Kari Kamiya said:
Kari Kamiya said:
Weirdly enough, I do honestly feel like this was the movie that Rover Dangerfield wanted to be but wasn't allowed to.
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If only Rover went through that BS with losing his manhood.

Kari Kamiya said:
Now I'm not a dog owner, so what's this whole "kool-aid in the toilet bowl" thing? It feels like an exaggeration of how owners "bribe" their dogs before going to the vet.
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I'm sure that was the point, though I never been through those moments where an animal was fixed in my family, so I wasn't sure if that was something that was done to make the dog less anxious of the event to happen. I suppose they wanted a set it up so that other dogs picked up on this to spread around like rumors.
 
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The Last Unicorn was produced in America but was animated by a Japanese studio. So does it qualify as Western animation or not?
 
The Nothingness said:
The Last Unicorn was produced in America but was animated by a Japanese studio. So does it qualify as Western animation or not?
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God, I'm sure we've had this discussion over and over for decades. I side with the Western side since it was initiated here first and much of the pre-planning was here too.
 
Man, everything I see about We Baby Bears just makes it worse.
Those links have two clips from an episode where a they/them self insert is dealing with mean comments about her art (including “too much bean mouth”), and then bitching about how people don’t understand art. As someone who does love art and drawing, this is some “up my own ass” shit.
This is a cartoon made for kids, right? How the hell is bitching about artist struggles/criticism on social media supposed to appeal to kids?
 
Grand Duke Snowfall said:
Man, everything I see about We Baby Bears just makes it worse.
Those links have two clips from an episode where a they/them self insert is dealing with mean comments about her art (including “too much bean mouth”), and then bitching about how people don’t understand art. As someone who does love art and drawing, this is some “up my own ass” shit.
This is a cartoon made for kids, right? How the hell is bitching about artist struggles/criticism on social media supposed to appeal to kids?
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These things aren't made for kids anymore, they are made for the tumbler/reddit/twitter/blue sky manchild demographic.
 
Grand Duke Snowfall said:
Man, everything I see about We Baby Bears just makes it worse.
https://x.com/Masaru738117811/status/1995868910839890355 https://x.com/Masaru738117811/status/1995871654971670665 Those links have two clips from an episode where a they/them self insert is dealing with mean comments about her art (including “too much bean mouth”), and then bitching about how people don’t understand art. As someone who does love art and drawing, this is some “up my own ass” shit.
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Isn't Cartoon Network already struggling? This shit's not helping.
 
Grand Duke Snowfall said:
Man, everything I see about We Baby Bears just makes it worse.
Those links have two clips from an episode where a they/them self insert is dealing with mean comments about her art (including “too much bean mouth”), and then bitching about how people don’t understand art. As someone who does love art and drawing, this is some “up my own ass” shit.
This is a cartoon made for kids, right? How the hell is bitching about artist struggles/criticism on social media supposed to appeal to kids?
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Why don't they just deal with it? I'm not joking, seriously, just deal with it and fucking find a way to attract a new audience. Fucking hell.
Rome's rightful successor said:
These things aren't made for kids anymore, they are made for the tumbler/reddit/twitter/blue sky manchild demographic.
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Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Kids? This is a show for maladjusted 30 somethings.
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Having "adultescents" and "menchildren/womenchildren" that say that you can still like crap "even after you grow up" was a mistake.
 
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Kari Kamiya said:
Isn't Cartoon Network already struggling? This shit's not helping.
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At this point, they're entirely hinging their success on the revival of Gumball and the future revivals of:
- Powerpuff Girls (this time with Craig thankfully back at the helm after that monstrosity of a first reboot and the near-disaster that was the cancelled CW spinoff)
- Regular Show (unneeded because it was really starting to fizzle out after season 4 even though Quintel tried his best at character development without leaning too heavily into adult themes, the only way the revival can succeed IMO is if it's on Adult Swim)
- and Foster's (supposedly going to be geared towards preschoolers which is a very risky move, but then again Craig is a GOAT so I can't question him whatsoever).

All in all, Cartoon Network is throwing literally everything out of the window and saying "fuck it" after that greedy kike fuck Zaslav finally went hands-off and stopped ruining all of the remaining cable channels since the Warner Bros Discovery merger officially failed.

Instead they're gearing everything towards one final Hail Mary consisting of a handful of revivals to try and save themselves. If this fails, CN as we know it will most likely go completely defunct in less than a decade from now. If they do die if this Hail Mary attempt falls even slightly short since they have no room for error now, all I can say at the post-mortem is that it was a combination of terrible luck and too many strategic errors to count dating back to 2016. They really should have shifted to streaming their shows on HBO Max far sooner. If they did, a good portion of this hellish abyss for them would have not happened.
 
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