Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Vyse Inglebard]

I know this is a stupid question but why is it that every person who defend shows like Velma, is usually some ugly dweeb?

Because Mindy Kaling is ALSO an ugly dweeb.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Could we said then Velma is the new 2016 Ghostbusters?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Could we said then Velma is the new 2016 Ghostbusters?

Honestly it feels more like the new ren and Stimpy adult party cartoon. They're new versions of classic cartoons that nobody was asking for. That completely bastardize everything that the original versions stood for, and hopefully like apc Velma is doomed to be cancelled soon. The only difference being apc was made by the original creator and had his full stamp of approval. Though I'd bet dollars to doughnuts mindy kaline is a pain in the ass to work with too.

 

[Two Dollars]

Noted YouTube Pooper and industry insider Nick "WalrusGuy" Walstrom is fed up with the industry and is dropping allegations:

https://twitter.com/NAveryW/status/1613678486421479424

https://archive.md/FHnCK

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Between WalrusGuy being the first YouTuber I ever saw who injected leftyshit into his videos that otherwise relied on having a very stupid sense of humor (YouTube Poops) and his first accusation being something that would conveniently help a new far-left show that’s currently under a lot of fire by tearing down its predecessor, I’m inclined to take all this with a massive grain of salt.

Also, career? What does WalrusGuy do now?

 

[AnOminous]

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Someone a couple pages back was asking who was the audience for this piece of shit.

I think we have our answer.

This single solitary faggot, apparently.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Good God, before today, I didn't know how you could do worse than Mindy, but this Twatter cunt somehow found a way.....

 

[A Grey Cat]

I honestly doubt big mouth is still alive from being popular. I'm more inclined to believe Seth Rogan, nick knoll and Andrew whatever his jew last name is. All have dirty laundry on the higher ups at Netflix and have been using it as blackmail to keep their ministry of truth project this show masquerades as alive and well.

Was originally going to say this in the deadendia thread and compare it to why that show is dead as a rot dog after only 2 years but it only just barely relates to that show.

Good God, before today, I didn't know how you could do worse than Mindy, but this Twatter cunt somehow found a way.....
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If not for the fact that mindy Kalamazoo already was an established name in Hollywood with rich and successful parents I'd swear Warner hired her because she posted art like that (and she's a poo woman and Warner needs to meet a diversity hire quota. )

Regard fausts comment about everything circling back to the 80s well she's right and wrong on that.


She's right because networks are reusing the same cheap, quick, and easy to animate techniques. In the 80s it was limited animation and xeroxing. Today it's toonboom, gimp, and rigging. She's right in saying there's almost no original innovative ideas. Everything is either a spinoff sequel or reboot of an already existing franchise. The only difference being its not a million hanna barbera Saturday morning shows or shows based on the newest toy companies wanna sell by Christmas.


She's wrong because if things were circling back around to the 80s then there would be standards in place where ceap like Velma, with all the sex, sexuality and violence wouldn't be allowed in most if not any animated program.

Although frankly if things do circle back around to that I'd call that a victory and a step forward for animation. Though I sincerely doubt it will be the direction the medium goes in. At best we'll see more cases like strange world or post out of the closet owl house.

Eg shows that continue to push a progressive agenda will get their advertising and marketing cut back. Shows that get positive feedback from John q public will be put front and center.

Edit: and yes i know there WAS adult animation in theaters in the 80s. Heavy metal, the second half of Ralph bakshis carrer, but I mean on television adult animation was practically unheard of until the simpsons came along between 87 and 89. Even then early simpsons is tame compared to adult animated movies at the time and especially adult animation now.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Good God, before today, I didn't know how you could do worse than Mindy, but this Twatter cunt somehow found a way.....
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at the very least we get the dog in this one

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

at the very least we get the dog in this one

And the artist seems to actually like Scooby Doo as a whole, while Mindy’s crap just seems to despise everything but Velma.

 

[The Nothingness]

Another new way to convince yourself that you're living in a reactionary hellscape and are the beleaguered underdog.

It's a dumb theory, but what can you expect from an self-professed anarchist furry.
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The things these people come up with to delude themselves.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

She's wrong because if things were circling back around to the 80s then there would be standards in place where ceap like Velma, with all the sex, sexuality and violence wouldn't be allowed in most if not any animated program.

Adult animation thinks it's in a second (third?) renaissance when it's more like a deconstruction. If this was truly like the 80s, these adult cartoons would just be box office failures/disappointments but without the cult followings that allow them to still exist and find an audience in some capacity.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Good God, before today, I didn't know how you could do worse than Mindy, but this Twatter cunt somehow found a way.....
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You know ironically I actually like that Velma design more than the one we got in the show. It almost kind of looks like a My Life as a Teenage Robot character.

Also fuck this show, they somehow made Fred being a dumb lug a bad thing, when that's one of the most charming things about his character.

Take a look at this CN city bumper, this is how you make fun of a character, but also be reverent about it at the same time.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

She's wrong because if things were circling back around to the 80s then there would be standards in place where ceap like Velma, with all the sex, sexuality and violence wouldn't be allowed in most if not any animated program.

I disagree because there was animated shows and movies with some of that in the 70s and 80s. For example;

Heavy Metal (1981)

Fritz The Cat (1972)

 

[skykiii]

I just hope this finally makes Scooby go on hiatus. Gonna be honest, Scooby has been crap for decades. I love the 60s-70s seasons and even kinda like the Scrappy era (though I hated the version where the gang were all kids, even if some of the music was catchy).

But when it got revived in the 1990s with Zombie Island... I remember liking that at the time, and liking What's New Scooby Doo... but it was sort of a period where everything went wrong. Unlike most, I never geled with the attempts to flesh out the characters. Instead of doing that, they just made them more flat. Instead of building on the glimpses we got in the 1970s (Shaggy was actually on his school's track team for example) we instead got retarded shit like "Fred is so obsessed with traps he reads a by-implication pornographic magazine about them" and weird attempts to make Daphne badass. Why not build on her having legitimate detective chops? Say what you want about that one Scrappy season but Daphne being the Ai Haibaraor the Mitsuhiko of the group (shout out to fellow Detective Conan fans) of the group is WAY more interesting than "she shops and gets welts if she touches fake leather."

The Batman Brave and the Bold crossover was almost the right direction but it just leaned in to the self parody aspects some more, and worse did that one crossover thing where Scooby's gang looks useless next to Batman. In the older versions Scooby was proactive at sniffing out clues. In that movie Scooby only does it if Batman orders him to (I did like that one part near the end though).

It was inevitable that with how dead-end the franchise was that something like Velma would be the result.

EDIT: And again, what is with all this revisionism about eighties cartoons going on in this thread? God damn ya'll need to actually WATCH some. The only legit point is that a lot of cartoons were animated on a budget. But this idea that the 1980s was a time of "only big IPs" and "no new ideas" is just hogwash. That's like saying "there were no RPGs or strategy/sim games on the NES." If anything, the 1980s was a HIGH POINT for creativity in animation, both television and theatrical. It was the 1990s where things began trending towards having to already be an established IP (which decade is it where fucking Batman is one of the big names of animation again?)

 

[A Grey Cat]

Adult animation thinks it's in a second (third?) renaissance when it's more like a deconstruction. If this was truly like the 80s, these adult cartoons would just be box office failures/disappointments but without the cult followings that allow them to still exist and find an audience in some capacity.

I disagree because there was animated shows and movies with some of that in the 70s and 80s. For example;

Heavy Metal (1981)

Fritz The Cat (1972)

I amended the original post, but I didn't completely forget those movies. I didn't mention them because I was talking specifically about television animation. As I said in the edit there really was no such thing as animation strictly for adults with very few exceptions. Between the flintstones in the 60s(which more or less became a kids show later in its life anyway) then there was wait till your father gets home in 72, but Between that show and the simpsons..almost all television animation was made specifically for kids and under very strict standards and rules.

 

[Chad Holdenford]

God may have abandoned us.

 

[KingLiberty76]

God may have abandoned us.

it's because of the people going in to watch it to say, "WOW THIS SHOW SURE IS BAD". Stuff like that ensures shitshows like Velma and Big Mouth get renewed, word of advice.
"if it looks like shit, and smells like shit, it's probably shit"

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

God may have abandoned us.

So....let me get this straight, guys:

>created by someone who actually loves animating
>is an original IP
>is beloved by many
HBO Max: "Sorry bud, you've gotta go. Can't afford to keep ya."

>created by a shallow Pajeet mega-bitch who couldn't give less of a shit about animation if she tried
>piggy-backs off of an established IP despite it....not really loving that IP or giving enough a shit about it to at least pretend to
>hated by literally everyone (NOT EVEN THE FUCKING WOKIES LIKE IT)
HBO Max: "Yes, this totally deserves a second chance, keep slaying, queen!"

We can't discount the possibility that the reason CE got cancelled while Velma keeps living is because Quintel is a straight white dude while Kaling is a female Pajeet, and as we all know, in the current entertainment landscape, DIVERSITY wins out over, you know, being actually good.

 

[A Grey Cat]

God may have abandoned us.

I'm gonna say it. DC's Scooby Apocalypse was a better adult take/deconstruction of scooby doo than Velma is.