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starborn427614 said:
If there's one criticism of modern animation I agree 100% with it's the lack of variety. Kids get comedy and the occasional action show, adults get...comedy, but with sex and cursing. The anime industry is so much more advanced in what's available for people to watch. Want a show about playing chess? Becoming a professional chef? Killing God? They've got you covered and then some.
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Plus, even adult animation in the modern age has to be either two things, either be an action show that tries too hard to replicate the anime art style or an animated sitcom that apes whatever Simpsons, Beavis & Butthead, South Park, Family Guy, Aqua Teen, Robot Chicken or Rick & Morty were doing.
 
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So, I just have to share something that made my day and proved there is a God.

But first, some context.... see, ever since the era of cartoons getting released on DVD started, there were four shows in particular I looked forward to one day owning a set for:

-Attack of the Killer Tomatoes
-Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates
-Battletech
-Mighty Max

Well okay, there were a bunch more... but all my other hopes and wishes got fulfilled. He-Man came out, Bravestarr came out, Thundercats came out... heck we were even getting DVDs of obscure stuff only cartoon nerds would remember, like WildCATs, Biker Mice From Mars, the Teen Wolf cartoon, and Spiral Zone (though Spiral Zone's DVD set was essentially a bootleg, it was still made by a fan who had somehow gotten access to broadcast masters).

For a long time, it seemed like those four were the sole holdouts.... at least, as far as "shows I cared about" were concerned. There's lots of stuff I still hope gets either a DVD or a streaming release someday, like Sectaurs Warriors of Symbion.... but those four are the ones that mattered to me.

Most especially Fox's Peter Pan. It's a weird case, because when it was first on I remember thinking of it as the thing I sit through because I know Tiny Toons is up next... but I later stopped liking Tiny Toons and realized Peter Pan was the real treasure.

..... Anyway, I was just on Youtube and I found this channel called Cartoon Archive. At first I thought his uploads of Fox's Peter Pan were the same VHS tape rips I had seen all over the internet... until I checked. Apparently his versions are a fan-made remaster.

Meaning that finally, Peter Pan exists in DVD quality. Which is all I ask.

............ So what about the other three holdouts?

Battletech = someone did a fanmade remaster.

Mighty Max = a few select episodes can be gotten in fanmade "Restored" quality. I imagine this guy is for some reason only able to work from episodes that got official VHS releases because that's the common denominator here. So most of the series is still in "you have to watch recordings people made years ago" (which to be fair those old recordings actually hold up well. Peter Pan needed a remaster because I often couldn't make out the dialogue--particularly Captain Hook's colorful soliloquies--but I never have that problem with Mighty Max).

Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = I have not heard of a remaster project or anything, but there do exist decent-quality recordings made off of television. This channel seems to have the best quality.

Personal Bonuses:

.... I found out the other day that someone put Mutant League on Youtube. How many of you people even remember Mutant League? I'm betting none of you. This is a weird case for me because I recall watching it regularly as a kid, not really liking it but watching it anyway, and for years I completely forgot about it.

..... Another one... I recall on Sundays watching this show called Skysurfer Strike Force, which in my area aired on the same channel as the Megaman cartoon and the early episodes of Dragonball Z. This was one of those cases where as a kid, I thought it was retarded (a show about people who fly on surfboards just seemed lame), but then I got a bargain DVD of four episodes later and was like "Wait... this is awesome!" This was a weird case too where almost the entire show was released on DVD... for some reason, the releases stopped when they only had four episodes left to go.

Well, thanks to Youtube, that's been rectified. Also apparently the first season is on Amazon now (why the first but not the second is a mystery). Even better, you no longer have to pay fifty dollars for DVDs that were originally one-dollar bargain bin releases.

Question for Thread: How many of you have ever seen any of the six shows I named in this post?

Yeah I'm aware this might be an autistically long post.... but at the same time, I figure we need more positivity about western animation and less blathering on about how wokies are ruining everything. We need to remember why we love cartoons.
 
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anustart76 said:
Has anybody seen the Disney show Miraculous? On paper, the concept should be a total turn-off, a Disney show with a strong independent overly-competent girl superhero with a bumbling boy sidekick, but I caught a bit of it recently and I couldn't help but like it. Both of the main characters seemed to be written as surprisingly likable, and the "cutesy" art direction was actually appealing to look at.

I'm curious if this is actually a decent show or if I've somehow been bamboozled.

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I’ve seen the creator described as “what if Andrew Dobson got a show made?”, so take that as you will.
 
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Georgio Cocklord said:
The ugly colorful hugbox shows just pander to feelings, try to portray the creators as "people who care" and dont even portray women authentically. Rally Vincent and Minnie May are empowered women, theyre really knowledgeable and they kick ass but theyre also very attractive and do womanly/girly shit, like go on dates, do housework, splurge on television, hangout at cafes, wake up late and tons of other things. They act and behave like normal people, which i think is sorely missing from all these mary sue characters who are so unlikeable as theyre made specifically for hugboxes of people who are unhealthy, unhappy and pathological who want their pathology portrayed as good so they can feel good.
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I agree.

One of the problems with modern male and female characters today is that they’re unauthentic.

I like some of my characters to feel relatable. Relatable as in we understand the protagonist and see them as a real human being with human complexities.

These modern characters are none of that, as you said, they’re hugboxes for the creator and their audience of stunted adults.
 
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starborn427614 said:
If there's one criticism of modern animation I agree 100% with it's the lack of variety. Kids get comedy and the occasional action show, adults get...comedy, but with sex and cursing. The anime industry is so much more advanced in what's available for people to watch. Want a show about playing chess? Becoming a professional chef? Killing God? They've got you covered and then some.
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Yup, that’s one of my problems with modern Western Animation, it lacks variety. Anime, on the other hand has plenty of variety shows.

Example: Food Wars, Prince of Tennis, Zoids: New Century.

Western Animation needs more variety than superheroes, adult comedies and Disney Princesses.
 
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Shidoen said:
Lord Nicklebottom is my fav.
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Mine is this absolute Chad.
 
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