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Speaking of which, seems this guy who worked on the show isn't taking criticism so lightly
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Any optimism I had for this show was tarnished the moment I saw these. They're completely incapable of accepting criticism and lash out at any dejectors. Do these people really think we're forcing them into a jail cell with nothing but a lead pencil and a few sheets of paper?

Got to love the guy cherrypicking various Netflex shows too, like "s-see? netflex has variety too!" when even those look pretty same-y and even then, most Netflix excluisve anime isn't even produced by Netflix.
 
>game is known for its fluid hand-drawn animation, which takes its inspiration from 30s Fleischer cartoons
>TV show is generically animated in Toon Boom

If there were ever a more perfect metaphor for the cheapness of "hand-drawn" animation these days, I just don't know what it could be.
I was right when I said they delayed the show to release to hype up the game's DLC. This looks obnoxiously busy but it does fit with how old cartoons moved sometimes. At least the colors aren't assaulting all 5 of my senses with how bright they are. Good to see the designs are only slightly different from the game but still damn close.

Budget reasons. You can't animate a show like the game with a normal TV budget.
This isn't TV though. It's Netflix. The budget varies from studio to studio based on their sponsers and producers. Most of the time Netflix comes off as just the distributor, not the production studio.

haha you dumbfucks failed to remember it's TWITTER. If you're not going from feeling happy about a thing to being absolutely butthurt about said thing, you're not twittering right. 🚬

Both arguments are retarded anyway.
Doing this completely traditional would be a huge sunk cost considering Cuphead isn't that hot anymore and it's FUCKING NETFLIX. This shit will be pirated within the hour of the premiere.
Defending this show's complete digital approach before the show hits is not promising. History has shown touting your labels as shields to criticism does more harm to your project than good. Shut your dicktraps and let the audience you crave to please decide. And whatever it is, fucking deal with it.

It's funny that Green Eggs & Ham is up there since that show was animated on paper and finished on computers, killing both arguments.

Animation fans aren't the mistake (sometimes). "social" media is.

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You ever stop and ask yourself, “Why was this made again?”

Probably to teach kids never make the comic relief the main character unless you like a screeching mental patient being an awkward menace for a half hour. A lesson Nickelodeon ignored when making the Patrick Show.

I remember when Planet Sheen premiered the same day as Butch Hartman's Tuff Puppy. Tuff Puppy went on for more seasons while Planet Sheen was canned after one. Unlike when Hartman's FOP went up against Invader Zim and Zim became a cult classic in cancellation, Planet Sheen is not even memed about. It was that bad.
 
The only ones I watch anymore are South Park and Rick & Morty. It's pretty stagnant, aside from R&M there's been nothing new and good since...idk, the 00's Adult Swim stuff.
 
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The "Looney Tunes Cartoons" shorts had a similar problem, where how well a short was animated was down to which studio was placed on a project, resulting in some of them looking like computerized garbage and others looking like something straight out of the 40's. And honestly, if they have to outsource to a smaller studio to keep on budget, I'd rather it be Mercury Filmworks. At least they have experience working in a variety of different styles and a way better understanding of squash-and-stretch than, say, Rough Draft Korea. I shudder to imagine on-model stiff-as-fuck Zombie-Simpsons-esque Cuphead.
Or Yowza, who I see as the weakest of the LTC animation studios. That would have been worse as their work is even more obviously digitized than Mercury's.

I mean Mercury can do good animation when given the right circumstances, but this doesn't seem it. Stills are fine enough, but the motion betrays it almost instantly. Netflix is a different beast altogether, their budgets always vary and I'm convinced most of their recent stuff (both cartoons and anime alike) were given really lower than usual budgets as most of them look pretty bad outside of stills (or even in stills in some cases). And it could have been the same issue with Cuphead too.
 
Now, I'm certain we can fix this by simply having the next season produced just the way it was done back then.

Yes, the animators will have to work in a building without air conditioning, they might get TB, and it'll probably be ready in a few decades, but if you don't get it right, what's the point?
Have everyone smoke cigars and chug whiskey and this is the kind of authenticity I can stand behind!
 
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From yesterday btw.

Comedian Louie Anderson, who starred in his own 90’s animated series "Life with Louie," has died from complications related to cancer at 68.
 
Speaking of which, seems this guy who worked on the show isn't taking criticism so lightly
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You kno, this guy got me thinking - wouldn't it be way cooler for Cuphead to be made into shorts rather than a standard TV series? Akin to Paul Rudish's Mickey Mouse shorts?
It would have served as a great homage to the era of animation that the game is based on, they could put more attention to the animation (I don't think ToonBoom is inherently bad, it can look quite amazing with the right budget and expertise, see: Mickey Mouse shorts)-
best of all, the writing wouldn't need to be forced to follow a standard three act story structure. Although this remains to be seen yet, the show hasn't aired yet and we don't know how the writing will be like. However I'm worried it might be very generic. The reason I love old era animation to death is for how unhinged and insane it is, and I feel as tho this kind of crazed creativity would feel much more natural in short format.

The stills and poses look gorgeous tho! There is some great talent visible there!
Only thing I'm not so keen about is how Cuphead's and Mugman's eyebrows are drawn. Doesn't really fit the style.

Robert Valley has released his short film Pears Cider and Cigarettes for free on YouTube.
He's been recently releasing a workshop on Instagram - videos of his process while making a new short. It's very chill and informative - and long. They're good for background noise if nothing else.
 
>game is known for its fluid hand-drawn animation, which takes its inspiration from 30s Fleischer cartoons
>TV show is generically animated in Toon Boom

If there were ever a more perfect metaphor for the cheapness of "hand-drawn" animation these days, I just don't know what it could be.
This is an autistic as fuck thing to notice, but why the yellow gloves? The new Looney Tunes did that too and I was curious what the reason was for that design choice.

I guess it also reminds me of Nu-Looney Tunes because it has the same "cheap attempt to emulate hand-drawn animation" look.
 
This is an autistic as fuck thing to notice, but why the yellow gloves? The new Looney Tunes did that too and I was curious what the reason was for that design choice.

I guess it also reminds me of Nu-Looney Tunes because it has the same "cheap attempt to emulate hand-drawn animation" look.
Bugs had yellow gloves in a few early 40s cartoons, so that's why they're doing it in the new Looney Tunes stuff.
 
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