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I cannot believe I forgot.

If we are going to discuss good dads in animation, a medal has to be handed to Dale Gribble. Maybe it is the contrast between him and Redcorn that makes him look way better, but Dale really is the true father of Joseph, to the point where his friends couldn’t even tell him the truth as they couldn’t bare to kill that relationship.

 
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Vyse Inglebard said:
If the people who give it this many views are real, I guarantee you, 90-100% will be terminally online Twittards, and 0-10% actual children.

Dude, you draw slightly more complex stick figures for a living. You are not a political analyst. Sit your ass down, and shut your fucking mouth.
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Honselty I remmber when Gravity falls was still on and thought Alex Hirsch was a cool guy judging by his interviews. And than a few years later I find out he's a political sperg who hates anyone who mildly disagrees with him and can't shut about politics. Like I really hate creators who call fans with different political views as "not true fans" I hated when JMS did it and I hate it when Hirsh does it. Like fuck you guys I spend hours watching your content and loving your characters. And this is how you repay me.
You can say all you want about Butch Hartman. But if I had to choose Hartman or Hirsch. Hartman would win in a heart beat.
 
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It's not a good father figure but I would say Mendoza from Mysterious Cities of Gold could be one of the more complicated father figures in animation that's still meant to be heroic.

Even in the more recent seasons that are substantially lighter when it comes to him he is still debatably using all three of the children from the show for his personal profit. He cares about then and would risk his own life to save them but if he no longer thought they could lead him to wealth he would leave them. Though to be fair doing so would potentially be better for them.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
on a less uplifting not that dead end paranormal park? (which is apparently on Netflix but I could have sworn it was a CN show) it's apparently #5 in the us according to Netflix. Uh huh yeah sure, what are the chances that's only cause Netflix themselves decided that hmm?
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It just aired, so of course it's gonna be fairly high. Wait for a week. If it's still up, :stress:
 
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A part from Schaffrillas Productions' review of Lightyear, it sums up the problem with the movie pretty well and also the dumb twist movie has.


Few notes:
1. Maybe there's no toys of the side characters because of how shit they look.
2. They should have stick with the idea of this being the real man that inspired the creation of Buzz Lightyear because that was a lot more interesting then what they went with.
3. Why did Woody never get a TV show? Buzz got one but the one character that was actually shown to have a real TV show didn't for some reason.
 
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Liquid Marlon said:
A part from Schaffrillas Productions' review of Lightyear, it sums up the problem with the movie pretty well and also the dumb twist movie has.
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Few notes:
1. Maybe there's no toys of the side characters because of how shit they look.
2. They should have stick with the idea of this being the real man that inspired the creation of Buzz Lightyear because that was a lot more interesting then what they went with.
3. Why did Woody never get a TV show? Buzz got one but the one character that was actually shown to have a real TV show didn't for some reason.
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Woody (and the cowboy fad in general) was shown to be played out in the second movie. I guess they felt the same IRL.
 
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Liquid Marlon said:
3. Why did Woody never get a TV show? Buzz got one but the one character that was actually shown to have a real TV show didn't for some reason.
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There weren't very many western shows in the 90s. It might have been interesting if, like the Buzz Lightyear cartoon, you had a lighthearted take on old Western cliches.
 
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Basic Blonde Boy said:
I cannot believe I forgot.

If we are going to discuss good dads in animation, a medal has to be handed to Dale Gribble. Maybe it is the contrast between him and Redcorn that makes him look way better, but Dale really is the true father of Joseph, to the point where his friends couldn’t even tell him the truth as they couldn’t bare to kill that relationship.

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Don't know if I read it here or on /co/ but someone pointed out that when Nancy and John Redcorn were still having their affair, Joseph was wearing a green shirt and white shorts, the same color scheme of John Redcorns clothing. Once the affair is ended and Joseph goes through puberty he wears a blue shirt and brown shorts, the same colors as Dales brown shirt and blue jeans but reversed. A nice visual cue that Joseph may have been born from another mans sperm but he was Dales son at the end of the day even if the circumstances were a little odd.

Morethanabitfoolish said:
It's not a good father figure but I would say Mendoza from Mysterious Cities of Gold could be one of the more complicated father figures in animation that's still meant to be heroic.

Even in the more recent seasons that are substantially lighter when it comes to him he is still debatably using all three of the children from the show for his personal profit. He cares about then and would risk his own life to save them but if he no longer thought they could lead him to wealth he would leave them. Though to be fair doing so would potentially be better for them.
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I like that what finally spurred him to be more heroic at the end of the show, the original 80s show not the new seasons, what finally made him pull somewhat of a Heel-Face Turn was when Esteban lost his faith in him. All throughout their adventures all the other characters experienced some kind of doubt or distrust in Mendoza. Rightfully so. Tao was smart enough to see through his BS, Zia wasn't the biggest fan of the Spanish and Mendoza for obvious reasons, all the Indians and Spaniards they met were hesitant to trust Mendoza knowing he was a Conquistador or had screwed them over in the past, even Sancho and Pedro turned to each other a few times and asked if Mendoza knew what he was doing or could trust him. Esteban was the only character who 100% trusted Mendoza every time he came up with a plan or back-stabbed someone. Once Mendoza showed his true colors wanting to abandon the Myans to the Olmecs and being callous to Zia's fathers death Esteban called him a greedy asshole and told him to fuck off. It actually spurred Mendoza to be a hero for once in his life and he helped them all fight the Olmecs. Even when he got caught trying to rob the City of Gold he still had enough of a heart to spare Esteban the pain of losing his father. Two-faced, backstabbing, bastard or not, he still had some affection and respect for that young orphan he rescued from the ocean years ago.

Yamma Damma said:
Did he build a kid or adopt a human?
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He does act as a father figure to the younger Autobots like Bumblebee. I guess if you wanted to get dark with Transformers you could interpret it as Optimus trying to be a surrogate father to the countless orphans who joined the Autobots because Megatron and the Decpticons killed their families so they join up in revenge and Optimus has to be a father figure to them to stop these traumatized kids from becoming violent killers only out for revenge.
 
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Niggerphobe said:
may I ask what was the real reason
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If anything, I think it had to do with poor ratings after the lesbian romance was announced and it disjointed the entire story during the second season. Dana only blasted Disney when it was convenient due to them losing stock due to the Don’t Say Gay rumblings that affected their image of wanting to work with other countries that are not so keen on gay imagery in cartoons.

Though, it’s just an educated guess.

Vyse Inglebard said:
Dude, you draw slightly more complex stick figures for a living. You are not a political analyst. Sit your ass down, and shut your fucking mouth.
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Wait, drawing CalArts templates for Dipper and Mabel’s bean mouths are considered complex?

:lit:

I knew Alex Hirsch was trying too hard to show how much he loves California based politics that will not affect his bottom line, but I did not think it was that serious.
 
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Strange Wilderness said:
I like that what finally spurred him to be more heroic at the end of the show, the original 80s show not the new seasons, what finally made him pull somewhat of a Heel-Face Turn was when Esteban lost his faith in him. All throughout their adventures all the other characters experienced some kind of doubt or distrust in Mendoza. Rightfully so. Tao was smart enough to see through his BS, Zia wasn't the biggest fan of the Spanish and Mendoza for obvious reasons, all the Indians and Spaniards they met were hesitant to trust Mendoza knowing he was a Conquistador or had screwed them over in the past, even Sancho and Pedro turned to each other a few times and asked if Mendoza knew what he was doing or could trust him. Esteban was the only character who 100% trusted Mendoza every time he came up with a plan or back-stabbed someone. Once Mendoza showed his true colors wanting to abandon the Myans to the Olmecs and being callous to Zia's fathers death Esteban called him a greedy asshole and told him to fuck off. It actually spurred Mendoza to be a hero for once in his life and he helped them all fight the Olmecs. Even when he got caught trying to rob the City of Gold he still had enough of a heart to spare Esteban the pain of losing his father. Two-faced, backstabbing, bastard or not, he still had some affection and respect for that young orphan he rescued from the ocean years ago.
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Debatably Mendoza grows more as a person over the run of the show than the children do. It's a nice touch.
Newman's Lovechild said:
If we're going this old and obscure
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Blasphemy!
Also the last season to air was 2020. Sure that's almost 40 years after the original run but still.

I keep forgetting that it's Pierrot who handled the animation for that show. Anyone who's also into anime might vaguely recognise them, they've come quite a long way since Cities of Gold.

More on topic for old and obscure how about David the Gnome for good father figures? While a fairly preachy show at times it was still done seemingly with a good heart.
 
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albert the programmer said:
If anything, I think it had to do with poor ratings after the lesbian romance was announced and it disjointed the entire story during the second season. Dana only blasted Disney when it was convenient due to them losing stock due to the Don’t Say Gay rumblings that affected their image of wanting to work with other countries that are not so keen on gay imagery in cartoons.

Though, it’s just an educated guess.


Wait, drawing CalArts templates for Dipper and Mabel’s bean mouths are considered complex?

:lit:

I knew Alex Hirsch was trying too hard to show how much he loves California based politics that will not affect his bottom line, but I did not think it was that serious.
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But wasn’t it canceled before season 2 began I think
 
The "we accepted you, that's the bare minimum" part of Genetic dead end? It's literally the preview for the show on netflix. I wish to remind you all that this is not an adult cartoon. It's not being advertised as an adult cartoon, Netflix flat out refers to it as a "Children's show" and although Netflix is independent from the major network rules and and regulations it's still rated and appropriate for ages 7 and up. (note that on cartoon network Steven universe, regular and a lot of other shows got tv PG ratings especially universe when it got more "queer friendly.")
 
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Morethanabitfoolish said:
I keep forgetting that it's Pierrot who handled the animation for that show. Anyone who's also into anime might vaguely recognise them, they've come quite a long way since Cities of Gold.
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They did a lot, Yuu Yuu Hakusho, Urusei Yatsura, Naruto, Bleach, Creamy Mami, the list goes on.
Morethanabitfoolish said:
More on topic for old and obscure how about David the Gnome for good father figures? While a fairly preachy show at times it was still done seemingly with a good heart.
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Only Europe can really give us great stories of life, and death!
 
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