Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[A Grey Cat]

I have to agree with pickle Rick. The ancient elements are just so tired and played out, I mean they are the ANCIENT elements. Do something with the modern elements for once. I can think of one use of the modern elements beyond earth, wind, fire and water and that's the comic character metamorpho. Really this Pixar film should be about the old elements making way for the new ones being discovered in nature. Think a more grown up version of toy story o ly based on science and not childhood wonderment.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

At the risk of bringing in current day stuff, The Iron Giant is proof as to why technology and climate change can not co-exist with one another:

I’ve said this before, and it might be a reach, but this is honestly one of the best animated movies that both kids and adults can appreciate. I’m just grateful that Hollywood never tried to do a live-action movie while injecting real life politics with it.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I’m just grateful that Hollywood never tried to do a live-action movie while injecting real life politics with it.

And judging from Bird's comments on the matter, we (hopefully) won't have to worry about that for a long time yet:

In assessing the state of animation 20 years on, Bird craves more daring originality and less sequels and remakes. “I would love to see studios have a more adventurous attitude,” he said. “We shouldn’t take this valuable time to repeat the same stories or with the same characters over and over again. That’s fine, and it has its place. Certainly, great films continue to be made with familiar characters. I’ve done two sequels [“Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol” and “Incredibles 2″]. But they should not be the preponderance of what makes up our diet. ‘Spider-Verse’ introduced a lot of really cool mix-and-match graphical styles in a really interesting way. The more we all do one kind of style, the less interesting it is for the audience. It needs to grow aesthetically. People will support it.”

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Also, the western animation industry has this problem where when they try to be mature all they do is add swearing, sex and allot of violence, without any actual context for it being there.

Agreed.

Cursing, violence and sex do not make one mature.

I have to agree with pickle Rick. The ancient elements are just so tired and played out, I mean they are the ANCIENT elements. Do something with the modern elements for once. I can think of one use of the modern elements beyond earth, wind, fire and water and that's the comic character metamorpho. Really this Pixar film should be about the old elements making way for the new ones being discovered in nature. Think a more grown up version of toy story o ly based on science and not childhood wonderment.

That’s a nice idea. It’s definitely more creative than what Disney’s planning with this movie.

 

[Coolio55]

My favorite one is where the protagonist is a heavily implied bisexual, biracial racist who detests every color of the rainbow, even the ones he's part of. Especially the ones he's part of. Reminds me of the HBO style back in the Sopranos, Deadwood, and Oz days.

Lol. Where did you see this one? That sounds like a fucking hoot.

Humor requires the ability to offend. And taking the piss out of anything is a big no no these days.

I had a flashback where some journalist makes a big rebuttal of this by showing some mediocre image where the subway logo is edited to say "SBUBBY".
All I can think of is this: How long until that's considered to be mocking dyslexics?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

That’s a nice idea. It’s definitely more creative than what Disney’s planning with this movie.

Problem is, this is the mindset of the creative team at Disney/Pixar after 2012:

I had a flashback where some journalist makes a big rebuttal of this by showing some mediocre image where the subway logo is edited to say "SBUBBY".
All I can think of is this: How long until that's considered to be mocking dyslexics?

This has become it's own subset of humor. Cringe at your own risk.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Problem is, this is the mindset of the creative team at Disney/Pixar after 2012:
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Yup.

Honestly, I blame shit like Avengers, Steven Universe and Frozen for starting the fire.

 

[Trianon]

I rewatched "We're Back a Dinosaur's Story" recently. Was the message supposed to be "don't work for the circus" or "don't become the monster others think you are"? All I know is John Goodman was the best voice in there.

I love movies with no message whatsoever. It's definitely something like "don't join the circus" or "avoid glowing big pharma hacks" or "never love a hat, you'll lose it."

My bf was sad the whole day when he heard this. What a loss. (I didn't kno he was gay. His name never came up when talking about gays in the industry. or it did and I just don't care to remember)

He only revealed it recently. He collaborated on a memoir comic where he talks about how living a "double life" being closeted helped him shape Bruce's character.

So Pixar's trailer for Elemental dropped a day ago:

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

The love story is the only thing that intrigues me about it, since Pixar doesn't usually do that (WALL-E being the main exception) and we are starving for good romcoms or romance in general. But I'm getting tired of the "what if X all lived in a city!" Zootopia, Detective Pikachu, Inside Out, Soul????

And now Iger's back at Disney, fuck.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

So Pixar's trailer for Elemental dropped a day ago:

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

I absolutely hate the art style. The giant heads just look so disporsional and the city uninspired, just another city. Despite none of them being pretty the plant people are somewhat creative, fun and varied, everyone else has nothing to them. Especially the cloud people are uncreative and the water people are ugly lobs. Just why?

 

[Back me up!]

So Pixar's trailer for Elemental dropped a day ago:

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

Ehhh, War Planets from the late 90s did it already.

 

[KingLiberty76]

We never will get anything as good as this in this highly politicized and radicalized climate.

I wasn't born in the 90's nor did I experience the 90's but I can easily tell they were a less political time and time where people for the most part got along political views, race, or religion be damned, that's an era we need to bring back

 

[A Grey Cat]

Ooooooohhhh! Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?!

Scooby dooby doo! Where are you?!

When there's trouble you know who to call!

whistles ed edd n eddy!!

here we go again on the road till we stop! then we'll shop!


Admit it, when a good chunk of you read those. Not only did you know the rest of the lyrics but you can hear the songs playing in your heads as clear as if they were playing on a TV right beside you.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Ooooooohhhh! Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?!

Scooby dooby doo! Where are you?!

When there's trouble you know who to call!

whistles ed edd n eddy!!

here we go again on the road till we stop! then we'll shop!


Admit it, when a good chunk of you read those. Not only did you know the rest of the lyrics but you can hear the songs playing in your heads as clear as if they were playing on a TV right beside you.

Recognized 3 of them, don't know the "when there's trouble you know who to call" or the "here we go again" one.

 

[Trilby]

I wasn't born in the 90's nor did I experience the 90's but I can easily tell they were a less political time and time where people for the most part got along political views, race, or religion be damned, that's an era we need to bring back

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Teen Titans and Totally Spies

Ohhhh, that explains it. Capeshit was never really my thing when I was a kid for the former, and for the latter, I assumed it was a "for-girls" show at the time.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

I wasn't born in the 90's nor did I experience the 90's but I can easily tell they were a less political time and time where people for the most part got along political views, race, or religion be damned, that's an era we need to bring back

It feels like we’re in a long attempt at “revenge” for the Satanic Panic bullshit that doesn’t understand when to stop.

The 2000s were the last really good decade of “none of this cultural shit actually matters to the average person” until suddenly starting with the 2010s (of course it was before, it just ramped up far more) it was seeping into absolutely everywhere.

You genuinely can’t avoid it even if you try these days, especially in any sort of modern animation.

Especially with Animaniacs itself, which is a great example.

“Animaniacs was always political” is a constant excuse from these people, as if a joke about Reagan sounding insane for saying he was going to be President some day somehow matches up to the constant whining in the reboot about how Trump stole the election.

 

[A Grey Cat]

They say money can't buy happiness and tom cat is proof of that.

Also tfw just a million dollars was enough for a condo off park Avenue, a butler, and all the trappings if being rich and still have money leftover.

 

[Back me up!]

I wasn't born in the 90's nor did I experience the 90's but I can easily tell they were a less political time and time where people for the most part got along political views, race, or religion be damned, that's an era we need to bring back

Its worse then that: we were almost there on stopping caring about race. The kids growing up with the cartoons in the mid to late 90s was just flushed with cartoons/shows of group of teenagers of different races and background all working towards a shared common goal (Power Rangers/Captain Planeet/etc). If some one background came up it was a "oh, that's neat" movement.

 

[Oats12345]

Its worse then that: we were almost there on stopping caring about race. The kids growing up with the cartoons in the mid to late 90s was just flushed with cartoons/shows of group of teenagers of different races and background all working towards a shared common goal (Power Rangers/Captain Planeet/etc). If some one background came up it was a "oh, that's neat" movement.

Goals that wokies and current cartoons claimed to care about. But ignore the past achievements.

 

[DaBigBopper]

>everyone saying the problem is something with the writers or industry dominance

The problem is that the Western Industry is California and shitty Canadian cities that are full of Canadians. These people cannot understand differing perspectives and are a cancer on the Western entertainment industry. These places attract people who are very easily shaped into the same mindset as those raised in it. Nips are actually a bit spread out.

The issue with the Western Indie market is the same thing. It's a bunch of richfags on either coast having no actual struggles in their life beyond their Grandma didn't want them being buttfucked by another man, but eventually she realized she didn't want to die with hugging him one more time.
They cannot make art because they are effectively sociopaths who want praise. They want all the benefits without any of the hardship that comes with trying to make anything. The fact that they can outsource more and more of the work exacerbates this.