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[A Grey Cat]

As one of their characters would say... "they get NO respect!"

"Heavens to Betsy Ross!"

Now you know how I feel.

Reminded Bill and Joe made these shorts almost 30 years ago. They still hold up well.

Even at 90 those old dogs still had a few tricks up their sleeves.

Just like Walt, man was in his 60's had only one lung left and was dying of cancer yet still made appearances on his show.

and the final appearance of Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnosn the last of the 9 old men....by the time the incredibles came out they really were old men...ollie was the last one.

Pity...they say "that's the way to do it...aint no school like the old school." yet nobody seems to have taken their words to heart. I wonder if they said that hoping they'd leave one last impression on the next generation to carry on the torch.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It’s hilarious to me that the only two responses to “Velma” is either anger/annoyance or confusion as to who it’s for.

 

[Yamma Damma]

Oh good. Somebody heard me (even if it's technically web animation). It's a great comic. Here's hoping it's a great short too.

Someone clipped it.

https://twitter.com/hannabarberacap/status/1615028612398485511

ew that voice acting. Kaling is deadpan as shit. You're supposed to be having a panic attack not whining like your daddy wouldn't lend you the escalade tonight.

With all those elaborately detailed schitzo "panic attacks" Velma keeps having (they actually look way better than the normal clips I saw. it's like a far better show is trying to get out), coupled with her issues with.... well everyone but especially women, I'm placing my bet: SHE'S the murderer. Or her not-really-dead mom for some reason.

If true, I can't wait for the shitstorm to reach Category 5 levels
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What's this? Two blacks in love and not down with the swirl for equality propaganda? Talk about a unicorn sighting. And that's if this is real.

 

[Trilby]

"Heavens to Betsy Ross!"

Even at 90 those old dogs still had a few tricks up their sleeves.
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Just like Walt, man was in his 60's had only one lung left and was dying of cancer yet still made appearances on his show.

and the final appearance of Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnosn the last of the 9 old men....by the time the incredibles came out they really were old men...ollie was the last one.

Pity...they say "that's the way to do it...aint no school like the old school." yet nobody seems to have taken their words to heart. I wonder if they said that hoping they'd leave one last impression on the next generation to carry on the torch.

It says a lot when these guys were still active in animation, even in their 90's. I doubt whether that'll happen with today's generation of animation 'stars' when they approach that number.

 

[A Grey Cat]

It says a lot when these guys were still active in animation, even in their 90's. I doubt whether that'll happen with today's generation of animation 'stars' when they approach that number.

Not likely given the average lifespan of a troon. Can you imagine David Simpson (danna of phoebe and her unicorn) or the troon who worked on yabba dabba dinosaurs and wanted to introduce a 5 year old troon in season 2 reaching friggin 90?

 

[Calandrino]

With all those elaborately detailed schitzo "panic attacks" Velma keeps having (they actually look way better than the normal clips I saw. it's like a way better show is trying to get out)

The viral marketing here on KF finally wore me down. I watched it, and I was beginning to suspect, it's not SJW/woke stuff, it's Mindy Kaling shitposting on a level that the world is not prepared to deal with.

To be fair, you have to have a fairly high IQ to understand Velma. For example: that screengrab of an embarrassingly fucked-up quadratic equation that's been making the rounds, supposedly as a "mistake", is from a freeze frame joke where a bunch of mathematical nonsense scrolls across the screen while Velma is thinking. It also includes v = πr^2 (the area of a circle, but with v for volume instead of a) and the square root of 1,000,000.2 (evaluates to 1000.0001, a palindrome). It's ALL either subtly wrong or silly. Futurama-tier autistic math gags, that are onscreen for a fraction of a second, with the actual joke being that Velma is a pseud and completely full of shit: after all that thinking, she comes to an incorrect conclusion.

From a murdered girl's eulogy: "Yeah, normally in pop culture, when a slutty girl is murdered, we're all a little like, 'Well, maybe she deserved it.' But that's what made Brenda so special. She was the rare slut that did not deserve to be murdered.'"

Mindy, I know you have an account here and I just want to say, don't let the haters get you down.

 

[Yamma Damma]

Pity...they say "that's the way to do it...aint no school like the old school." yet nobody seems to have taken their words to heart. I wonder if they said that hoping they'd leave one last impression on the next generation to carry on the torch.

Of course they did. But that torch is flickering. Creators today are too saturated in internet humor and academic brainwashing to hate the old school. So much so that they either ignore it as much as possible (which can be a good thing to some extent) or make fun of it to the point of being mean spirited. And their creations suffer for it. Toon after toon in modern day has incredible visuals but hackneyed storylines. Or has eyesore visuals and retarded storylines.

To cut them some slack though, the network execs get blame too for chasing fleeting trends and not striving for longevity. Today's classics were yesterday's friday night flicks at the theaters. You don't get those classics without giving new shit a chance to become classics. But the diamonds in the rough get cancelled when they're found because damn journoscum and their clickbait addictions are propping up the fool's gold.

The only creators I believe who took those words to heart are the likes of Genndy Tartakovsky, Craig McCracken, CH Greenblatt, Joe Murray, Matt Groening, Dan Povenmire, Rob Renzetti (he's directed a lot of good shit too) the creators of the Venture Bros, and in a weird way Seth MacFarlane. None are spring chickens or women but dammit what they make/made was/is fun.

But now the places these creators and their moving pictures thrived in are going tits up (streamin bubble go pop) so if we get indie studios making old school stuff again, bring it. Just hope they don't repeat the mistakes though.

 

[AnOminous]

Pretty much. Fred is okay in terms of voice, but only because they wrote Fred as a whiny hyper spoiled rich man-baby, and the guy voicing him is the guy who plays Dennis on Always Sunny, so he at least fits the character written.

Nobody who can come across as a Chad while wearing an ascot is this character.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Of course they did. But that torch is flickering. Creators today are too saturated in internet humor and academic brainwashing to hate the old school. So much so that they either ignore it as much as possible (which can be a good thing to some extent) or make fun of it to the point of being mean spirited. And their creations suffer for it. Toon after toon in modern day has incredible visuals but hackneyed storylines. Or has eyesore visuals and retarded storylines.

To cut them some slack though, the network execs get blame too for chasing fleeting trends and not striving for longevity. Today's classics were yesterday's friday night flicks at the theaters. You don't get those classics without giving new shit a chance to become classics. But the diamonds in the rough get cancelled when they're found because damn journoscum and their clickbait addictions are propping up the fool's gold.

The only creators I believe who took those words to heart are the likes of Genndy Tartakovsky, Craig McCracken, CH Greenblatt, Joe Murray, Matt Groening, Dan Povenmire, Rob Renzetti (he's directed a lot of good shit too) the creators of the Venture Bros, and in a weird way Seth MacFarlane. None are spring chickens or women but dammit what they make/made was/is fun.

But now the places these creators and their moving pictures thrived in are going tits up (streamin bubble go pop) so if we get indie studios making old school stuff again, bring it. Just hope they don't repeat the mistakes though.

Not to go off topic but It's comments like that that make we wish we had a thunk provoking and fells rating that doubled as both.


Getting back on topic. As I've mentioned rewatching the old saturday morning lineups of yesteryear. I remember these shows were still part of the dark age of animation. I'm enjoying them for what they are now, and with hindsight of how things can always get worse. but that's not to say a bad saturday morning cartoon from 1977 is retroactively made good. a bad cartoon is still a bad cartoon.

The point is...do you think in another 50 odd years or maybe even 10 to 20 years. People will be able to look back on Velma, Inside job, big mouth, Deadendia, pretty much every cartoon we've griefed on in here the way I'm looking back on the bad cartoons of 50 years ago here in 2023?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I like how leftists have to rationalize their own hatred for Velma as a right wing conspiracy to make the left look bad by creating a strawman of their own politics. If irony had a flavor, I bet it would taste like a wagyu steak.

What's more is we're all so mired in politics they can't just come out and say it's bad by its own merits, it's bad only because it embarrasses them politically.

 

[AnOminous]

The point is...do you think in another 50 odd years or maybe even 10 to 20 years. People will be able to look back on Velma, Inside job, big mouth, Deadendia, pretty much every cartoon we've griefed on in here the way I'm looking back on the bad cartoons of 50 years ago here in 2023?

Nope. Every single bad cartoon prior to this parade of horrors has been superior and enjoyable in at least some sense. This shit isn't even worth watching just to laugh at it. It's radioactive cancerous AIDS that should be shot into the Sun, or preferably some evil star other than our own Sun, since it might kill ours.

I like how leftists have to rationalize their own hatred for Velma as a right wing conspiracy to make the left look bad by creating a strawman of their own politics. If irony had a flavor, I bet it would taste like a wagyu steak.

It's the standard cannibalism. Anything that makes us look bad is a creation of the enemy. Mindy Kaling is totally a pee-oh-cee.

Don't pretend it's a pure left issue though. Look at how every jackass on the right is based until they get charged with something and then they're a fed.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Nope. Every single bad cartoon prior to this parade of horrors has been superior and enjoyable in at least some sense. This shit isn't even worth watching just to laugh at it. It's radioactive cancerous AIDS that should be shot into the Sun, or preferably some evil star other than our own Sun, since it might kill ours.

Yeah time won't help the crap of this day and age the way it has the crap of yesteryear. The best it can hope for is being used as an example of;


1. The second dark age of animation and how NOT to make the same mistakes of the past twice. Or in animation classes to teach students how not to make a cartoon.

2. Historical documentation of how low our society sank at one point and actually believed things like representation of black lesbians in our entertainment mattered more than....being entertaining.


Think of it as the equivalent of holding onto relics of late stage Roman empire hedonism or photos and journals of the deviant behavior of Weimar Germany.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

It's the standard cannibalism. Anything that makes us look bad is a creation of the enemy. Mindy Kaling is totally a pee-oh-cee.

Don't pretend it's a pure left issue though. Look at how every jackass on the right is based until they get charged with something and then they're a fed.

I was more specifically talking about how the left pretends that conspiracy theorizing is an extremist/moderate rightwing-exclusive delusion and how they paint themselves as the rational side of politics, firmly rooted in reality and the Science! and then they jump to conspiracy theorizing over a show being terrible.

Getting back on topic. As I've mentioned rewatching the old saturday morning lineups of yesteryear. I remember these shows were still part of the dark age of animation. I'm enjoying them for what they are now, and with hindsight of how things can always get worse. but that's not to say a bad saturday morning cartoon from 1977 is retroactively made good. a bad cartoon is still a bad cartoon.

The point is...do you think in another 50 odd years or maybe even 10 to 20 years. People will be able to look back on Velma, Inside job, big mouth, Deadendia, pretty much every cartoon we've griefed on in here the way I'm looking back on the bad cartoons of 50 years ago here in 2023?

Yes, I do think we'll have another "remember how much better things were 20 years ago?" phase, because I haven't seen things improve at all. Everything I used to think was cringe is quaint by comparison to what we have now.

 

[starborn427614]

I was more specifically talking about how the left pretends that conspiracy theorizing is an extremist/moderate rightwing-exclusive delusion and how they paint themselves as the rational side of politics, firmly rooted in reality and the Science! and then they jump to conspiracy theorizing over a show being terrible.

I'm liberal and the Right is the last base I'd blame for this shit show. It's exclusively down to Mindy and the network.

 

[AGuntyPaajet]

If true, I can't wait for the shitstorm to reach Category 5 levels
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Please tell me that she is a single-mother and have a son (Scrappy-doo) and that shaggy is gonna "step-up" to take care of them...

 

[skykiii]

"Heavens to Betsy Ross!"

I SO wanna keep this joke going but I can't decide whether to imply Velma is actually part of some plan for Alexandra to get free time with Alan... or just post a picture of Muttley snickering.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Typically, so long as you show respect to the original and the characters, anyone can make a good Scooby Doo show. And that’s true of any IP.

Exactly, you can do a reboot or make your own original IP as long as it respects the source.

Like let’s say if you wanted to make a character based off of Wonder Woman, you can do that as long it has two things:

1. It’s creative.

2. It has some respect or reference the lore behind Wonder Woman.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I SO wanna keep this joke going but I can't decide whether to imply Velma is actually part of some plan for Alexandra to get free time with Alan... or just post a picture of Muttley snickering.

Allow me

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Hey, not to break up the Velma sperging, but a pretty huge event went under the radar. SpongeBob just had his first-ever crossover episode last Friday, where he crossed over with, himself? More specifically, Camp Coral and The Patrick Star show.

I think we have officially broken all of Stephen’s rules. No spin-offs and no crossovers (I am assuming it is crossover episode exclusive) were direct agreements he had with Nick, but I guess since this is a SpongeBob crossover, that doesn’t matter.

Also, The Patrick Star show is still running? I thought Nick killed the Fucker a year ago.

 

[Trilby]

Hey, not to break up the Velma sperging, but a pretty huge event went under the radar. SpongeBob just had his first-ever crossover episode last Friday, where he crossed over with, himself? More specifically, Camp Coral and The Patrick Star show.

I think we have officially broken all of Stephen’s rules. No spin-offs and no crossovers (I am assuming it is crossover episode exclusive) were direct agreements he had with Nick, but I guess since this is a SpongeBob crossover, that doesn’t matter.

Also, The Patrick Star show is still running? I thought Nick killed the Fucker a year ago.

Poor Stephen, Nick pissed on his grave.