Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[skykiii]

Continuing my spergfest from last time, I have to go against the grain again on a few things.

First... I've always found it weird how segregated the "Scooby Hoax" trope is. Like imagine if you lived in Forgotten Realms, where terrifying fuck monsters are for real, and you knew there were desperadoes trying to steal your stuff... wouldn't you use some low-level magic and stage tricks to make it seem like there's a Beholder in your house in order to scare people away? After all, in a world where those things actually exist, nobody would immediately think "its a fake."

That said, I strongly disagree about some people's ideas of what a "better" direction for Scooby Doo would be. Honestly stuff like post-apocalypse sounds just as dumb to me as stuff like Shag and Scoob Get a Clue.

If you want Scooby Doo for adults.... take a few cues from this thing called The Casefiles of Kindaichi. Essentially: the mysteries are solved by logic and evidence that would actually fly in a somewhat real setting (and not the occasional cartooney "the ghost was actually a film projector" stuff the 60s show did), have them actually investigate clues, have the characters have actual personalities....

Basically, Scooby Doo as written by either Agatha Christie or Gosho Aoyama.

Also seriously, writers need to quit treating Scrappy as just the butt of jokes. I don't even think he was that bad in his initial appearances, and him being wasted as a joke or turned into a villain is just wrong. Here's an idea.... try making him work. Although that would require some actual talent and I know the guys at Warner don't have that, but this goes for fan projects as well.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Typically, so long as you show respect to the original and the characters, anyone can make a good Scooby Doo show. And that’s true of any IP.

 

[AnOminous]

Typically, so long as you show respect to the original and the characters, anyone can make a good Scooby Doo show. And that’s true of any IP.

It's not like it's Shakespeare or some shit. There's really no excuse for fucking up something that should be relatively easy if you paid even the slightest attention to the original. That Mystery Skulls video was better Scooby Doo media than we've seen in years and it wasn't even actually Scooby Doo.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

OK, one more panel from Apocalypse and then I'm done with it (in this thread at least):

^What we wish was done to Mindy Kaling's Velma

 

[Ensok]

Continuing my spergfest from last time, I have to go against the grain again on a few things.

First... I've always found it weird how segregated the "Scooby Hoax" trope is. Like imagine if you lived in Forgotten Realms, where terrifying fuck monsters are for real, and you knew there were desperadoes trying to steal your stuff... wouldn't you use some low-level magic and stage tricks to make it seem like there's a Beholder in your house in order to scare people away? After all, in a world where those things actually exist, nobody would immediately think "its a fake."

That said, I strongly disagree about some people's ideas of what a "better" direction for Scooby Doo would be. Honestly stuff like post-apocalypse sounds just as dumb to me as stuff like Shag and Scoob Get a Clue.

If you want Scooby Doo for adults.... take a few cues from this thing called The Casefiles of Kindaichi. Essentially: the mysteries are solved by logic and evidence that would actually fly in a somewhat real setting (and not the occasional cartooney "the ghost was actually a film projector" stuff the 60s show did), have them actually investigate clues, have the characters have actual personalities....

Basically, Scooby Doo as written by either Agatha Christie or Gosho Aoyama.

Also seriously, writers need to quit treating Scrappy as just the butt of jokes. I don't even think he was that bad in his initial appearances, and him being wasted as a joke or turned into a villain is just wrong. Here's an idea.... try making him work. Although that would require some actual talent and I know the guys at Warner don't have that, but this goes for fan projects as well.

Well when it comes to Scooby Doo I don't think you really need to do anything special for a new series at all, it's not a complacent franchise, which is a little ironic considering the simplicity of its formula. But it was always doing something different with its new iterations and reboots while still sticking to the formula and spirit of the franchise. For the most part. Even the not as good shows at least aren't insulting. I don't care for Be Cool Scooby Doo for a couple of reasons, but I can appreciate them not wanting to just do the same thing as Mystery Incorporated. A better direction for Scooby Doo can be practically anything because its been proven repeatedly in the past that the franchise can and will succeed at doing something new. They just need to actually care and not insult the audience.

Scooby Doo Where Are You, 13 Ghosts, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, Zombie Island and the other movies, are all drastically different shows mostly using the same core cast and formula. It's pretty impressive. I don't think it would be difficult to do something like What's New Scooby Doo but slightly more adult and come out with something much better than Velma.

Also I will never not find a character literally being named Red Herring in a mystery show funny.

 

[A Grey Cat]

OK, one more panel from Apocalypse and then I'm done with it (in this thread at least):
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^What we wish was done to Mindy Kaling's Velma

so you glad i mentioned it? it may not Eisner winning writing but as you said. It's what Velma SHOULD have been and that panel is what should happen to kaling's velma.

And can we please get a mod to undo that "discuss woke shit." edit? as yamma damma said, nitpicking wokness is an integral part of discussing animation.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

OK, one more panel from Apocalypse and then I'm done with it (in this thread at least):
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^What we wish was done to Mindy Kaling's Velma

Yeah, that would have leave a mark to Kaling's Velma.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Yeah, that would have leave a mark to Kaling's Velma.

the series runs 36 issues so aproxx 3 years assuming it was a regular monthly title. I skipped ahead on readcomic to the final one and well...spoiler alert it ends on a pretty sweet note and one you'll never see with velma now unfortunately.

Spoiler: Sfw but spoilered just because.

I'd ask why the fuck didn't warner just have JM dermatitis adapt the comics to an hbo max series, condense the 36 issues into a standard 26 or so season run but I already know why. Becuase he's a straight white male who has good ideas, experience writing and talent. mindy kaling is a talentless hack who used daddy's money (and possibly a little cock sucking) to get into the industry and played the diversity card to get away with driving the last nail into scooby doo's coffin.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

the series runs 36 issues so aproxx 3 years assuming it was a regular monthly title. I skipped ahead on readcomic to the final one and well...spoiler alert it ends on a pretty sweet note and one you'll never see with velma now unfortunately.

Spoiler: Sfw but spoilered just because.

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I'd ask why the fuck didn't warner just have JM dermatitis adapt the comics to an hbo max series, condense the 36 issues into a standard 26 or so season run but I already know why. Becuase he's a straight white male who has good ideas, experience writing and talent. mindy kaling is a talentless hack who used daddy's money (and possibly a little cock sucking) to get into the industry and played the diversity card to get away with driving the last nail into scooby doo's coffin.

In Velma, Norville also confesses to Velma and admits he’s crazy in love with her…and she basically laughs in his face, belittles him, and doesn’t take him seriously at all.

It’s kinda depressing, honestly.

 

[A Grey Cat]

In Velma, Norville also confesses to Velma and admits he’s crazy in love with her…and she basically laughs in his face, belittles him, and doesn’t take him seriously at all.

It’s kinda depressing, honestly.

It's funny I still remember when the Hanna Barbera line was new, fans were asking, "were these books written by people who hate hanna barbera?" Well almost a decade later and I can safely say, as bad and as bat shit crazy the HBB line was. No it wasn't written by people who hate Hanna Barbera or cartoons,


Velma is what you get when you hire someone who hates Hanna Barbera to write a Hanna Barbera cartoon.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

You know what I really miss in Modern Animation? Theme Songs. What happened to the absolute bangers that'd rev you up for what you're about to watch? These days it's just the title over some generic tune, not even a cool title card.

OK, reading through Scooby Apocalypse now, since @A Grey Cat piqued my curiosity. I've been imagining their 90s-2000s cartoon voices while reading it, and hearing 90s era Velma talk about the nanite apocalypse and 90s era Daphne yell "I BET HITLER THOUGHT THE SAME WAY" have catapulted my sides into orbit. Oh my god, thank you @A Grey Cat. Also, you're right. This is legitimately better than Mindy's Velma.

Wait until you see the comic's rendition of Scrappy. Shit gets fucking weird.

I also love Fred's design, change the ascot to red and give him a cowboy hat and he's fucking Clay from Xiaolin Showdown.

 

[Hummingbird]

You know what I really miss in Modern Animation? Theme Songs. What happened to the absolute bangers that'd rev you up for what you're about to watch? These days it's just the title over some generic tune, not even a cool title card.

Like this one?

 

[DeadwastePrime]

You know what I really miss in Modern Animation? Theme Songs. What happened to the absolute bangers that'd rev you up for what you're about to watch? These days it's just the title over some generic tune, not even a cool title card.

sorry bro. you gotta watch anime for that

 

[madethistocomment]

You know what I really miss in Modern Animation? Theme Songs. What happened to the absolute bangers that'd rev you up for what you're about to watch? These days it's just the title over some generic tune, not even a cool title card.

I always liked the Carmen Sandiego reboot's theme song. It's kind of Bond-y, which fits the vibes of the series.

Honestly, this whole show is pretty good and deserved more attention and praise than what it got. It's one of the few modern animation reboots that does everything right- it respects the audience and the characters, has the same base purpose as the original show (teaching the audience geography, cultural history, and art history via gentle(wo)man thief antics), has good writing, and has an art style that's incredibly pleasing to the eye. The biggest diversion from the original series and games in this is that Carmen's working against instead of with V.I.L.E, but she doesn't really trust the feds so she's doing her own thing instead. The feds are still pursuing her because she is still very much breaking the law, so you still get the whole subplot with the two federal agents trying to track her down and apprehend her. There's also surprisingly very little wokeshit, which was a really pleasant surprise. If you want a decent show with pretty visuals and a solid plot, give it a watch- it's one of the few modern reboots worth anyone's time.

 

[skykiii]

I always liked the Carmen Sandiego reboot's theme song. It's kind of Bond-y, which fits the vibes of the series.

Honestly, this whole show is pretty good, honestly, and deserved more attention and praise than what it got. It's one of the few modern animation reboots that does everything right- it respects the audience and the characters, has the same base purpose as the original show (teaching the audience geography, cultural history, and art history via gentle(wo)man thief antics), has good writing, and has an art style that's incredibly pleasing to the eye. The biggest diversion from the original series and games in this is that Carmen's working against instead of with V.I.L.E, but she doesn't really trust the feds so she's doing her own thing instead. The feds are still pursuing her because she is still very much breaking the law, so you still get the whole subplot with the two federal agents trying to track her down and apprehend her. There's also surprisingly very little wokeshit, which was a really pleasant surprise. If you want a decent show with pretty visuals and a solid plot, give it a watch- it's one of the few modern reboots worth anyone's time.

I watched the first season. It was fun but there were aspects I disagreed with... like the agents almost realizing Carmen was good but then coming to distrust her at the end of S1 for what seem like bullshit reasons. It really did a lot of that "this situation wouldn't exist if the characters didn't behave in arbitrary ways in order to generate conflict" bull.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The decline in theme songs in western animation can be partially blamed on advertising. Because network and even cable TV is pretty much dying to streaming. networks have had to add more commercials onto broadcast time. In order to compensate for this a lot of shows have. Not only cut out their opening themes, but also started moving at faster paces.

Advertising isn't the only reason for this change though. It's pretty much been proven that shows like family guy want to attract a young audience (because most viewers older than 15 usually know it's crap and turn it off.) And because Gen z and a have the attention spans of goldfish. The pacing on modern family guy has amped up in the last few seasons.

 

[Trilby]

sorry bro. you gotta watch anime for that

Yeah, Japan seems like the only country that likes their openings to be 90 second music videos.

 

[Niggerphobe]

Good God, before today, I didn't know how you could do worse than Mindy, but this Twatter cunt somehow found a way.....
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Why is velma built like a bingo pen

 

[AGuntyPaajet]

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

In Velma, Norville also confesses to Velma and admits he’s crazy in love with her…and she basically laughs in his face, belittles him, and doesn’t take him seriously at all.

It’s kinda depressing, honestly.

Someone clipped it.

https://twitter.com/hannabarberacap/status/1615028612398485511