Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Kari Kamiya]

Alo sorry for double-posting but:

There was actually leaked test footage from the movie back when it was being done by Blue Sky, and it seems they were always gonna use that cel-shaded style.

I have a rebuttal to show that Blue Sky had an actual defined vision for the movie and Netflix ruined it out of laziness.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Watch them bring in a "transman" kid for her to kiss to "prove" pooners are real boys, too.

Dony t even joke like that. You're tempting fate to the point where they'll actually do it.

 

[TheDataHorder]

my little cousin made me go see elemental and fuck its boring.
its a kids rom com, why its a fucking rom com i don't know, maybe they used a dart board with ideas taped to it or something.
its shit as a rom com because there are so many out there which are miles better then this shit and kids don't care if girl get with boy.
hell im disappointed that they went backwards in terms of water physics, they won awards for it in moana, why didn't they use it here?!
its just 1 and a half hours of nothing filler, don't waste your money on tickets for this shit. just fucking wait for the barbie movie, its gonna be bad but at least you can laugh at its terribleness.

 

[Betonhaus]

I feel like the Barbie Movie is going to have strong Legally Blonde vibes

 

[Romeo]

An upcoming film (August 5th for us Muricans) from a Ukranian studio, apparently based on an old Ukranian folktale. Legit looks pretty damn good.

Just watched the movie (you really don't have to wait until August 5th, a simple pirating site would do), and this is a surprising good animated film, The art direction and the animation are superb, and there is a lot of story told within this film (I like how this film is 90 minutes than a stereotypical 70-80 for an animated film, so it does not feel rushed).

The star of the show, Mavka is such a good female character compared to all the garbage female characters in the recent Western animated films: friendly, caring, loving, and easy-on-the-eyes (also reminds of the sprite from Fantasia 2000). The main male protagonist Lucas is kinda dumb (stereotypical romantic chemistry) but he's bearable and at least the film does makes him somewhat intelligent and necessary to the plot. Hush is a funny and bearable character.

I do have some criticisms of the film, such as the fight scenes and the "fire tornado" in the end of the film looking a bit ridiculous, and the villain's storyline ending abruptly until the post-credits scene, and though I was already thinking about some improvements to the film, I think Mavka is still a good animated film compared to other Western animated films, maybe a bit better than Across the Spider-verse (due to being less messy) but not as good as the second Puss in Boots.

Mavka in her human form​

 

[DarkEmoMario64]

Although the animation was done by a eastern European guy given that his name is David Alexsavits, this was none the less produced by PBS in America. Between the fine line work and stellar soundtrack this animation is gorgeous!

This documentary was my childhood by the way.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Friend and I have been talking about DreamWorks and bemoaning some of their canceled works. I hadn't heard about this Monkeys of Mumbai until now, and looking at the clips, I'm now sad it's never going to come to being, it really does look like a whole lot of fun.

But I don't think normie Americans would've ever been ready for this kind of movie.

 

[A Grey Cat]

DreamWorks continues to baffle me. They're usually better than modern Disney and not as dumbed down as illumination and unlike illumination they haven't had to count on a single franchise to keep them alive for over a decade. At least not like illumination who've been living off the despicable me/minions cash cow for over a decade. They can give us something awesome like puss in boots the last wish then six months later give us ruby Gilman. Which doesn't seem as bad as elemental but like elemental it seems Destin to fail because it's badly, almost cheaply designed and chock full of clichéd hack writing.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Just watched the movie (you really don't have to wait until August 5th, a simple pirating site would do), and this is a surprising good animated film, The art direction and the animation are superb, and there is a lot of story told within this film (I like how this film is 90 minutes than a stereotypical 70-80 for an animated film, so it does not feel rushed).

The star of the show, Mavka is such a good female character compared to all the garbage female characters in the recent Western animated films: friendly, caring, loving, and easy-on-the-eyes (also reminds of the sprite from Fantasia 2000). The main male protagonist Lucas is kinda dumb (stereotypical romantic chemistry) but he's bearable and at least the film does makes him somewhat intelligent and necessary to the plot. Hush is a funny and bearable character.

I do have some criticisms of the film, such as the fight scenes and the "fire tornado" in the end of the film looking a bit ridiculous, and the villain's storyline ending abruptly until the post-credits scene, and though I was already thinking about some improvements to the film, I think Mavka is still a good animated film compared to other Western animated films, maybe a bit better than Across the Spider-verse (due to being less messy) but not as good as the second Puss in Boots.

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Mavka in her human form​

While I have nothing against this movie...I fucking hate the cookie cutter pixar look.

 

[Betonhaus]

DreamWorks continues to baffle me. They're usually better than modern Disney and not as dumbed down as illumination and unlike illumination they haven't had to count on a single franchise to keep them alive for over a decade. At least not like illumination who've been living off the despicable me/minions cash cow for over a decade. They can give us something awesome like puss in boots the last wish then six months later give us ruby Gilman. Which doesn't seem as bad as elemental but like elemental it seems Destin to fail because it's badly, almost cheaply designed and chock full of clichéd hack writing.

Illumination now has access to the Nintendo IP vault so they may have a future other then the minion producers

 

[Čmarobnjak]

"Speedy Gonzales, friend of everybody's sister!"

 

[DarkEmoMario64]

One thing I noticed about Saturday morning cartoons in the late 90s early 00's such as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003, Men in Black and the Godzilla series that followed the TriStar film is that they stopped making brush painted backgrounds.

Kind of a downgrade if you ask me.

 

[Anonitolia]

DreamWorks continues to baffle me. They're usually better than modern Disney and not as dumbed down as illumination and unlike illumination they haven't had to count on a single franchise to keep them alive for over a decade. At least not like illumination who've been living off the despicable me/minions cash cow for over a decade. They can give us something awesome like puss in boots the last wish then six months later give us ruby Gilman. Which doesn't seem as bad as elemental but like elemental it seems Destin to fail because it's badly, almost cheaply designed and chock full of clichéd hack writing.

Their entire livelihood is not banking on the Minions, that's just their biggest cash-cow. Illumination is the lowest-common-denominator producer that exclusively makes braindead schlock for the masses, and the profits on their films show as much. Every single film makes bank- not only because of Meladandri's self-admitted "make movies as cheaply as possible" mission statement, but also because their premises are so toothless and cliche that it gets butts in seats solely due to the fact that parents want something stupid to feed the kids while they go shopping or are forced on a playdate with their kids' friends' parents.

 

[Betonhaus]

Every single film makes bank- not only because of Meladandri's self-admitted "make movies as cheaply as possible" mission statement, but also because their premises are so toothless and cliche that it gets butts in seats solely due to the fact that parents want something stupid to feed the kids while they go shopping or are forced on a playdate with their kids' friends' parents.

Not having complex messaging in an attempt to brainwash it's viewers probably helps too.

 

[Anonitolia]

Not having complex messaging in an attempt to brainwash it's viewers

okay this is just stupid
I'm 100% certain that the plots aren't deep enough for brainwashing
The closest thing to brainwashing I can imagine in them is the same kind of brainwashing that 80s toy-advert-cartoons had. "Buy our merch and support our company".

 

[Betonhaus]

okay this is just stupid
I'm 100% certain that the plots aren't deep enough for brainwashing
The closest thing to brainwashing I can imagine in them is the same kind of brainwashing that 80s toy-advert-cartoons had. "Buy our merch and support our company".

Almost every minion movie has a plot about building family. Every Disney show in recent years has been about racial politics and engineering very specific allowed personality types. Even indiana jones 5 became how men are shit and woman must be bitchy assholes.
Illumination focuses about shows with positive messaging about family and community.

 

[Anonitolia]

Almost every minion movie has a plot about building family. Every Disney show in recent years has been about racial politics and engineering very specific allowed personality types. Even indiana jones 5 became how men are shit and woman must be bitchy assholes.
Illumination focuses about shows with positive messaging about family and community.

Almost certainly because they're trying to stay uncontroversial and the entire company is run by boomers as opposed to 20 year old CalArts graduates like the other studios.
It's not brainwashing in the sense that it has been specifically planted within the media for insidious purposes and/or to push an underlying message as the truth, it's brainwashing in the sense that the people behind these movies are old and lazy so they default to what they were taught as children and what their core audience (retarded 10 year olds and their tired 40+ year old parents) wouldn't raise hell over.

If nothing else, none of these movies are memorable enough for any message they push to stick. It speaks volumes that anything literally any other company puts out always blots out whatever Illumination does despite the latter always earning far far more and generally being more culturally-relevant to the mainstream crowd.

 

[Betonhaus]

Almost certainly because they're trying to stay uncontroversial and the entire company is run by boomers as opposed to 20 year old CalArts graduates like the other studios.
It's not brainwashing in the sense that it has been specifically planted within the media for insidious purposes and/or to push an underlying message as the truth, it's brainwashing in the sense that the people behind these movies are old and lazy so they default to what they were taught as children and what their core audience (retarded 10 year olds and their tired 40+ year old parents) wouldn't raise hell over.

If nothing else, none of these movies are memorable enough for any message they push to stick. It speaks volumes that anything literally any other company puts out always blots out whatever Illumination does despite the latter always earning far far more and generally being more culturally-relevant to the mainstream crowd.

...what are you expecting them to do different? What would be the "perfect" movie for you? Are you expecting every movie to be an overwhelmingly life-changing experience that makes everyone who watches the movie a true believer who then spend the rest of their lives doing Muslim style prayers in the general direction of Illumination's headquarters?
You're being ridiculous. The movies being safe is the point. Parents can let their kids watch these shows knowing that they will be entertained but won't get any weird ideas about sexuality or race.

 

[Anonitolia]

...what are you expecting them to do different? What would be the "perfect" movie for you?

I'm not expecting them to do anything differently, I'm just saying that whatever you're seeing in their movies is 101% not propaganda. They're way too shallow for something like that, and whatever propaganda you're seeing isn't working anyways (lol birthrates and divorce rates).

 

[A Grey Cat]

Well since we're justifying the "bitch about wokeshit tag line anyway.


Interesting scene I discovered watching the first season (and only the first 12 episodes) of owl house.



Luz takes a drawing amity did after reading her fantasy book from earth..said drawing is Amity with an albeit very feminine looking wizard type character named malengale...she even put "this love is forbidden." As a caption. So I'm at least partly convinced despite what Dana "I diversity" said.



These characters at one point weren't meant to be the genderspecial clowns they ended up becoming. They were originally meant to be typical fantasy characters/young adults who ultimately got forced into their roles because hey, the mouse says diversity is the new thing...so let's make everyone as genderspecial and gay this show up out the door!...but we're still canceling you after 3 seasons that aren't even full traditional seasons of a show anyway.



Funny how Eda's line in episode 13 is "last chance to back out." It's quite fitting.