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[Colon capital V]

You can always spot a failure from a mile away. Friend saw the new DreamWorks movie and said it was mediocre even by DW standards. 'Course when you look at the character designs, it's no wonder it's flopping so hard.
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He said Ruby herself is actually cute when given the chance, but I can't see kids having the attention span nor patience for it.

Oh NO NO NO NO NO NO, Rubybros...
Did we get too cocky?

 

[WelperHelper99]

For many Zoomers, the joke isn't even that truthful. I think people tend to forget how wild the 2000s were in terms of technology. It was a decade where we went from VHS to streaming in 10 years. I am an early 00s baby, and I grew up with VHS, DVD, and CDS. It is funny talking to older people who act like CDs are this ancient thing, when the reality is many of these things were "discontinued" after I was born if not recently. Plus, you can find DVDs, CDs and even Vinyls at a Target today.

It's really only young kids today, even then, you got uncles like me with a CRT TV, laserdic player, and VHS tape player still. It's gonna be a while before younger zoomers, or even the next generation, fully forgets all this shit.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

It's really only young kids today, even then, you got uncles like me with a CRT TV, laserdic player, and VHS tape player still. It's gonna be a while before younger zoomers, or even the next generation, fully forgets all this shit.

I can understand VHS being forgotten given that its last bout of life was around 2006, but the rest are hardly old or unused. DVDs and CDs are still widely used, especially by poorer families and Boomers. It helps that libraries still have them to rent, and for DVDs you don't even need a player if you have a PlayStation or computer with a CD rom. CDs, like DVDs are still in circulation, great for Boomers and there are still cars with a player. CRTs are still in circulation and will likely never die as long as retro gaming is a thing, though this is more understandable to forget if not a gamer.

DVDs and CDs also have the culture war working for them since they will hold now banned content such as Simpsons episodes.

 

[WelperHelper99]

DVDs and CDs also have the culture war working for them since they will hold now banned content such as Simpsons episodes.

That's a big thing about physical media, it's permanent. They can change their streaming services all they want, de list entire series, but that disc is proof it existed. Not just proof, but any edits thy might have done after, the disc won't have

 

[Bass_Ackdwars]

That's a big thing about physical media, it's permanent. They can change their streaming services all they want, de list entire series, but that disc is proof it existed. Not just proof, but any edits thy might have done after, the disc won't have

As much as I love them, physical media eventually and will inevitably degrade. Then there's the chance of it breaking for whatever reason too. Its permanent in the sense it cannot be revised or memory holed while on your shelf, which is only so useful alone. The best option in my opinion is using original physical copies to create digital copies untouched by 'Right Side of History' fuckery, then you use the digital copies to replace or even create more physical copies. TL;DR, hybrid physical and digital redundancy for the win.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

That's a big thing about physical media, it's permanent. They can change their streaming services all they want, de list entire series, but that disc is proof it existed. Not just proof, but any edits thy might have done after, the disc won't have

> "physical media is permanent" niggas when i break their stupid fucking cd collections with my bare hands by cracking them in half

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Oh NO NO NO NO NO NO, Rubybros...
Did we get too cocky?
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The stranglehold that Disney has on worldwide audiences past 2019 is something that I will never get over. If anything, an uncanny teenage Kraken did not even have a chance to stand up to a reboot that literally no one asked for.

 

[Betonhaus]

> "physical media is permanent" niggas when i break their stupid fucking cd collections with my bare hands by cracking them in half
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and yet nearly full data recovery is possible if you have the right tools.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

The trailer for Nimona, based on a comic by She-Ra Netflix showrunner Stevenson has dropped recently.

I'm halfway through watching it. The story is different from how I remember it, like stuff from the comic was expanded on a bit. The story seems to take place over a month or two, which is much more compressed than the comic. Ballister was already a successful fugitive "villain" for a while in the comics when Nimona becomes his sidekick. I remember Ballister being brilliant with technology, having gadgets and coming prepared, and I didn't see much of it here, except maybe crafting his replacement arm.

The movie is very frenetic, with action scenes having a hundred things happening at once. Nimona is written as a spastic. Transformation gags can be funny, and having attitude can be funny, but it's hit or miss. Looking at Nimona as the author's avatar in the work, lines like changing her body take on new meaning, in both the comic and movie. Poor Noelle, if only changing back were as easy for you as it is for Nimona. If only you had the time back, back to when you wrote Nimona and still had your tits. It's like the charm of the teehee playful tomboy present in both works wears off when you see it as the symptoms and portents of her later mental illness.

The art looks great, maybe a bit mechanical at times but I enjoy it. There was always future-tech mashed up with knights and fantasy in the comic, but its more cyberpunk than I remember, and I don't remember any giant wall. The cast has been diversified. Goldenloin has gone from Caucasian to Asian. I don't remember the royalty mentioned at all, but the queen's been niggered. Ballister looks Castilian Spanish, which fits. The Director doesn't look like a grey nun hag anymore, and her voice is pleasant steel behind silk. Nimonas hair and general looks are a lot better.

The two knights are in love, which if gay romance isn't your thing, fine, but it was in the original work so its not a change made by the adaptation. And I have 35 minutes to go.

 

[Betonhaus]

And I have 35 minutes to go.

yeah, I liked the book but I don't want it ruined by a re-interpretation of Nimona's story.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

yeah, I liked the book but I don't want it ruined by a re-interpretation of Nimona's story.

I felt that way too. I just finished it and yeah I think they did okay. I like it, might watch it again. I do feel like rereading the book now though haha

 

[Romeo]

I know I'm kinda late to the party but I just watched Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse and here are some of my thoughts.

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You can tell that Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are doing their damn hardest to push the idea that animation is cinema and not just for kids, and that's why the animation is great and beautiful in the movie, but at the same time over-done, for example, in the Gwen scenes, which the color and tone of the animation will always change depending on which character are we looking at and their personality. It's kinda jarring for me. For an animated film, it's still great.

The villains are okay. I like the charm of Spot (and I felt I recognized that voice, before realizing it's Jason Schwartzman) started out as this incompetent villain who wants to be his nemesis and ends up becoming a big threat in the film. Spider-Man 2099/Miguel does feel nerfed, and his backstory on everything was kinda meh.

Regarding the Spider-Mans, I didn't like how they nerfed Peter Parker hardcore (in fact all the Spider-Mans of different universes are nerfed). I appreciate his arc from the last movie was completed, and now that Parker has accepted into becoming a husband and father in this movie. However, I think Peter's baby should have stayed home, and Peter should have kept the comedy against villains and be serious with Miles and Miguel, because his humor does not work when Miguel is in the scene. Peter Parker with a pink nightrobe and a baby-carrier as well as showing phone pics, ugh. Everything else, Miles is great. Gwen felt too melodramatic, pregnant African lady, uhhhhh....., Spider Punk's cool, Indian Spider-man is meh. Spider-byte, only see her as a set-up as an alternate love-interest if Gwen does not work out. The fact that the some of these Spider-mans change their minds so easily just because Miles wanted to break the norm was meh.

If we are going for more nit-picks, I was not too big of a fan on that every father-figure of a Spider-Man must die to fulfill the canon. The logic in which breaking canon kills the multiverse sounds retarded. I also dislike the idea that Miles Morales of that Earth was never intended to be the Spider-man because we see Miles Morales in different Spider-man universes become Spider-man, and that a universe can have more than one Spider-man, like the PS4 universe. Like why don't we see more Miles Morales in that HQ.

Also, last of all, the fact that every Spider-Man in every movie (including live action), video game, TV series, are all part of this multiverse left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean sure, it's great that they haven't forgotten The Spectacular Spider-Man series, but the fact that everything in the plot of everything we love about Spider-Man is now determined by a multiverse authority is just too much for me, and takes away the meaning of every scene.

I also was not a fan of the cliffhanger they put up.

Despite this, the movie is a good 7/10 but not as great as the first one, and unfortunately ruined Spider-Man for me.

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Regarding Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, which I watched a week ago, I thought that film was a bit better than Spider-man: Across the Spider-verse, and I loved Death and Horner as villains. The plot sorta felt cliche but that fight scene between Puss and Death was pretty sweet, and at least Death gave us a really good impression that he is to be respected in all of the film, even after this defeat. Honestly thought Wagner 'Pablo Escobar' Moura and John Mulaney carried the film.

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You can always spot a failure from a mile away. Friend saw the new DreamWorks movie and said it was mediocre even by DW standards. 'Course when you look at the character designs, it's no wonder it's flopping so hard.

He said Ruby herself is actually cute when given the chance, but I can't see kids having the attention span nor patience for it.

But you see, that is the DreamWorks development process. For every great movie that we do (Puss in Boots), we must follow with a trash animated film to appease Moloch so he won't be angry with us.

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You want to know something funny too? This show is like every single adult cartoon out right now, just without the generic Family guy/Big mouth art style.

1. shock humor
2. Hyper-sexual gay characters. (we gotta appeal to the fags and faghags watching amIright?)
3. Cringe social commentary.
4. Break neck pacing.
5. One dimensional characters.
6. Asshole main protagonist.

I mean what the heck does adult as a genre even mean at this point? A lot of the bad elements of adult films are shared with the bad elements of children films, and it seems a lot of children are enjoying these so called "adult" animations and films.

Adult to me is now just a label to tell me you want to be edgy and break norms. I don't care if your film or series has mature elements or not, if it's not a good story and if the characters are just sufferable, your film or series is garbage. If your work is mainly enjoyed by adults, so be it, it's mostly enjoyed by adults. If it's enjoyed by everyone, it's enjoyed by everyone. If children enjoy it, then children enjoy it. I find everything that labelled as adult to be very childish. I don't even think the people behind Aeon Flux labeled their series as adult, they just want a series of different cool-ass stories to tell and hence everything is formatted as if it was an anthology.

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Man, using TOR kinda ruins this thread for me. The fact that there are so many YouTube videos in this thread but they are blocked by a Google message thinking I'm a bot.

 

[anustart76]

As much as I love them, physical media eventually and will inevitably degrade. Then there's the chance of it breaking for whatever reason too. Its permanent in the sense it cannot be revised or memory holed while on your shelf, which is only so useful alone. The best option in my opinion is using original physical copies to create digital copies untouched by 'Right Side of History' fuckery, then you use the digital copies to replace or even create more physical copies. TL;DR, hybrid physical and digital redundancy for the win.

This is why I think piracy is so important; piracy literally enables preservation of media. Lost episodes of old shows, unedited versions of old movies, unblemished versions of old games. Even better if they sell them DRM-free in the first place.

Always make backups.

 

[TVB]

This is why I think piracy is so important; piracy literally enables preservation of media. Lost episodes of old shows, unedited versions of old movies, unblemished versions of old games. Even better if they sell them DRM-free in the first place.

Always make backups.

Same here. Some of the old vintage content I keep in my storage as well.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Always make backups.

Will do. I want to start preserving YouTube content soon here as /co/ posted that Google is killing accounts that haven't been used in 2+ years. While they claim YT will be unaffected, it seems that they haven't figured out how to remove them, rather than they won't. This plus internet archives being hit more and more, make me uneasy about content preservation.

To draw this back in, if there is any animations you guys like from YouTube, start grabbing now. They may not be around in a year or two.

If we are going for more nit-picks, I was not too big of a fan on that every father-figure of a Spider-Man must die to fulfill the canon. The logic in which breaking canon kills the multiverse sounds retarded.

I think that is the point. Miguel fucked up the multiverse by intervening and Indian Spider-Man's multiverse was a casualty of Spot, not breaking the canon. Miguel's view of things is wrong and the spide-verse working how he claims is bullshit, even if he believes it. As for why they believe it, Miguel has witnessed it first-hand and with the patterns of Spide-Man creation, it was probably just an easy rationalization of what happened.

 

[TVB]

Will do. I want to start preserving YouTube content soon here as /co/ posted that Google is killing accounts that haven't been used in 2+ years. While they claim YT will be unaffected, it seems that they haven't figured out how to remove them, rather than they won't. This plus internet archives being hit more and more, make me uneasy about content preservation.

To draw this back in, if there is any animations you guys like from YouTube, start grabbing now. They may not be around in a year or two.

Which also explains why animators from Newgrounds and Albinoblacksheep back in the 2000s that most migrate towards YouTube have regulated themselves to doing let's plays or reviews by the 2010s onward. Animation on YouTube is sadly going to be on the way out unless they will be preserved for future references.

 

[The Nothingness]

Also, last of all, the fact that every Spider-Man in every movie (including live action), video game, TV series, are all part of this multiverse left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean sure, it's great that they haven't forgotten The Spectacular Spider-Man series, but the fact that everything in the plot of everything we love about Spider-Man is now determined by a multiverse authority is just too much for me, and takes away the meaning of every scene.

That means the Drake Bell Spider-Man is in this mulitverse even if he is in the background or doesn't make a cameo at all because of the actor's legal issues. Good job, Sony.

 

[Colon capital V]

Hey remember that Pixar storyboard about a tranny baseball player kid a while back?
It's canned for now

https://www.thewrap.com/pixar-existential-crisis-elemental-lightyear/

EDIT: FALSE ALARM, the "follow-up" sequal show to tranny baseball is canceled, the movie is still happening it seems.

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/pixar-win-or-lose-follow-up-disney-series-cancelled/

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Which also explains why animators from Newgrounds and Albinoblacksheep back in the 2000s that most migrate towards YouTube have regulated themselves to doing let's plays or reviews by the 2010s onward. Animation on YouTube is sadly going to be on the way out unless they will be preserved for future references.

YouTube is just a dying platform. It is trying so hard to be TikTok and Twitch, both of which have become massive cancers to the site. Animation died when they changed the algorithm back in like 2016 to favor watch time rather than clicks. Video essays and streams became YouTube's bread and butter as they are quick to produce and can go on for like 5+ hours to milk that ad revenue. At this point, internet animation will just be TikToks and VTuber cringe.

 

[A Grey Cat]

speaking of youtube...

wow...just fucking wow where to even begin with this? Can any kiwis better than us see about checking if this is a potential cow for the stinkditch boards? or at the very least a mention? Was considering posting it there but..so far this doesn't look like someone outrageous or thread worthy beyond the...very misguided tranny analysis of a once innocent and harmless episode of a kids show. Oh and the comments? They're just as retarded...maybe worse. The user actually used the phrase "crack an egg." Aka groom a minor into the tranny cult.

Link to YouTube channel. apparently it also has a twitter (of course) a ko-fi, and a patreon.
https://www.youtube.com/@LilySimpson/videos