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el bandito loco said:
her boyfriend is this weird little dog and they're always hanging out with this fuckin' clown and everything is always turning into skeletons and like every single inanimate object is alive and does weird shit.
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I'm not super familiar with Betty Boop, is this perhaps a leftover from when she originally was a dog?
 
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deeman said:
I'm not super familiar with Betty Boop, is this perhaps a leftover from when she originally was a dog?
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yeah, if you go forward far enough he goes from her boyfriend, to just cartoon friend/co star, to pet dog. Bimbo the dog and Koko the clown were both really the stars of the cartoons and then it phased over to her after she's introduced.

The series is worth watching through, it's not the best series of shorts ever or anything, but they're unique. I've never been particularly familiar with them myself, I saw a lot on random public domain compilation tapes with popeye, some racist Looney Tunes, and other shit like that as a kid years ago but until recently (last decade or so) most of her cartoons weren't really available beyond those on home video.

which is really crazy considering what a merchandising icon the character has been. they sort of missed their chance in the early 00s when the Disney Treasures, Looney Golden Collections, and those other dvd compilations of early cartoons were big with collectors and normies to make any money off of the originals.
 
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𖦹Junkpop𖦹 said:
I think amerifag artists are more cooked than the ones over in Japan. Western studios practically committed suicide.
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It seems on the surface at least some of the other cultures are at least willing to try new tech while you look at American and other western cultures have an extreme and stubborn reaction to something new or even the slightest threat to their business.
𖦹Junkpop𖦹 said:
I don't think it's the unwillingness to try new technology that's the problem, it's the higher-ups not wanting to give anything a chance. A lot of good animated movies and tv shows have been fucked over by streaming services and companies that are not willing to take risks. Not promoting new as an excuse to say that animated content outside of children's media is not profitable. Netflix has done this countless of times.
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Crazy how people expect levels of artistry from these companies and Hollywood as if they don't just treat everything with stats and focus groups. To their credit and sadly to the dismay of most peolpe this stuff actually does work just look at the recent Minecraft movie for an example but when it comes down to it you're absolutely right about the higher-ups' unwillingless to give things a chance.
 
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Snake of Diamond said:
It seems on the surface at least some of the other cultures are at least willing to try new tech while you look at American and other western cultures have an extreme and stubborn reaction to something new or even the slightest threat to their business.
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I don't think it's the unwillingness to try new technology that's the problem, it's the higher-ups not wanting to give anything a chance. A lot of good animated movies and tv shows have been fucked over by streaming services and companies that are not willing to take risks. Not promoting new as an excuse to say that animated content outside of children's media is not profitable. Netflix has done this countless of times.
Even though some anime is CGI or has CGI elements, a lot of these companies are still doing pencil and paper. I'm pretty sure there are studios that still color their shows traditionally as well.
 
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𖦹Junkpop𖦹 said:
I don't think it's the unwillingness to try new technology that's the problem, it's the higher-ups not wanting to give anything a chance. A lot of good animated movies and tv shows have been fucked over by streaming services and companies that are not willing to take risks. Not promoting new as an excuse to say that animated content outside of children's media is not profitable. Netflix has done this countless of times.
Even though some anime is CGI or has CGI elements, a lot of these companies are still doing pencil and paper. I'm pretty sure there are studios that still color their shows traditionally as well.
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This. Never underestimate the cheapness of the American CEO.
 
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Snake of Diamond said:
It seems on the surface at least some of the other cultures are at least willing to try new tech while you look at American and other western cultures have an extreme and stubborn reaction to something new or even the slightest threat to their business.
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You have it wrong. The West is far more likely to develop new tech, but unwilling to fully adopt until its proven to beat the traditional methods. While the East adopts western innovations far more strongly and broadly, but often when they are still too inefficient to properly replace traditional methods. Anime's ever crumbling quality as more and more modern shows becoming CGI trashfires being the most relevant example.

More broadly, its one of the many reasons Japan's economy has been fucked so badly since the 80's.
 
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Snake of Diamond said:
It seems on the surface at least some of the other cultures are at least willing to try new tech while you look at American and other western cultures have an extreme and stubborn reaction to something new or even the slightest threat to their business.
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This is not true. America was the country that went hardest on new technology, the issue we are seeing now is that it isn’t the 2000s anymore and consistently evolving CGI like Pixar and DreamWorks were doing is basically a dead end. Only so far you can go realistic, something that is also heavily apparent in gaming.

As for animation, the bigger issue is that franchises like the MCU kill any reason to invest in animation exclusively. Most of the animation tech race was more to hit the point of realism for the blockbusters, as people want to see real superheroes, not cartoons.


𖦹Junkpop𖦹 said:
I don't think it's the unwillingness to try new technology that's the problem, it's the higher-ups not wanting to give anything a chance. A lot of good animated movies and tv shows have been fucked over by streaming services and companies that are not willing to take risks. Not promoting new as an excuse to say that animated content outside of children's media is not profitable. Netflix has done this countless of times.
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Following above, animation is still seen as a kids medium, while, what are ostensibly live-action cartoons, are seen as for adults. It is much more worth the payoff to make Transformers real than do a fully animated movie.

A big part of this is the Boomer/X generation, or the Star Wars generation. This gen grew up on increasing gains in special effects and CGI, and refuse to go backwards for anything other than comedy/Disney slop.
 
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Chilson said:
You have it wrong. The West is far more likely to develop new tech, but unwilling to fully adopt until its proven to beat the traditional methods. While the East adopts western innovations far more strongly and broadly, but often when they are still too inefficient to properly replace traditional methods. Anime's ever crumbling quality as more and more modern shows becoming CGI trashfires being the most relevant example.

More broadly, its one of the many reasons Japan's economy has been fucked so badly since the 80's
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Basic Blond Boy said:
This is not true. America was the country that went hardest on new technology, the issue we are seeing now is that it isn’t the 2000s anymore and consistently evolving CGI like Pixar and DreamWorks were doing is basically a dead end. Only so far you can go realistic, something that is also heavily apparent in gaming.

As for animation, the bigger issue is that franchises like the MCU kill any reason to invest in animation exclusively. Most of the animation tech race was more to hit the point of realism for the blockbusters, as people want to see real superheroes, not cartoons.
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my bad. Appreciate yall for the corrections :like:
 
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Trollblade69 said:
By the laws of 4chan, it means the entire show is bad and any who disagree are summarily executed.
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Good thing we aren't on the chans then.

Here at the extremely refined farms, everyone knows the correct opinion is that he fumbled the ending but that it was otherwise a good go. (It should of been every friendship and ally Jack had formed over the decades of fighting Aku being what won the day - rather than none of them contributing much of anything to the final battle. And of course, it was stupid to lose the girl in the end.)
 
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Starman John said:
Genndy Tartakovsky's Fixed is going to be released on Netflix in august.
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Some screenshots from "Fixed" were posted on Twitter, and "Animation Twitter" posters immediately started clutching their pearls because they were getting some "John K vibes" from it because that's something they say about any sort of remotely expressive animation, they've spent so much time mooning over beanmouth children's shows and diet-Anime cartoons that anything that's a little cartoony has them going. "erm, getting some Ren & Stimpy vibes from this, kinda problematic" because they know nothing about animation or it's history.

It's hard to say who holds animation in greater contempt - Hollywood executives, or Animation Fandom that loudly trumpet about how "Animation Is Cinema!" but mostly focuses on mediocre kid's shows and the occasional bland cartoon show from the Aughts they champion like it's a forgotten gem for a couple of months before they get bored and move on to the next one.
 
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