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Ren and Stimpy artist Jim Smith has passed away:

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He was one of the artists who helped define the look of R&S. He also storyboarded the never-completed John K Flash cartoon Weekend Pussy Hunt, which say what you will, I think looked pretty great for a Flash animated project in 1999.

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The lost pilot to Jimmy Two-Shoes (which was rumored to be a bit more adult-oriented with more violence and gore) has been found and published to YouTube by one of the writers.
I never watched Jimmy Two-Shoes so I can't comment on how much of a difference between this and the final product is, but hearing the rumors I expected it to be a bit more gorey than what was ultimately shown here. The radiation pill near the end was kinda gnarly, but that’s about it. Otherwise it's not anything I would write home about other than an interesting piece of cartoon trivia.
 
The first one was the only really good one I still wonder how the fuck these movies got several sequels and spinoffs.
Meltdown honestly isn't a bad movie since its purpose is to heal Manny's heart so he can have a future, it just suffers from pacing issues and Crash and Eddie needing to be better characters than just "annoying brothers".
 
Incredibles 3? After the trash fire of 2 that destroyed the 1st one? What plot is there to write about?
I truly dislike the sequel for what it did, and that includes I legitimately liked the concept of the twins if nothing else: both the obvious would-be villain actually being a genuinely good man wanting heroes back after all and his push for them legitimate, and the actual villainess having a decent motivation to protect her brother/said seeming bad guy clearly not excusing her evil. Actually a really good nuance for a superhero film, ya know?

But man, they should have been saved for a much better future sequel plot as we continue to properly build off the first one.
 
I truly dislike the sequel for what it did, and that includes I legitimately liked the concept of the twins if nothing else: both the obvious would-be villain actually being a genuinely good man wanting heroes back after all and his push for them legitimate, and the actual villainess having a decent motivation to protect her brother/said seeming bad guy clearly not excusing her evil. Actually a really good nuance for a superhero film, ya know?
The plot was so bad and forgettable that I barely remember that part. The issue is that the villainess' plot was suicidal and pointless (the idea that heroes were unnecessary and too destructive for their own good IIRC). Syndriome wanted to replace heroes by making everyone one and render them mundane, but he didn't want them to completely eliminate them, as that's stupid, as shown by the mole man from the start of the second movie and how he was basically unstoppable despite being a guy with a giant machine that merely robbed banks. What's the police meant to do the next time a supervillain rampages? Or a mad scientist creates a giant robot of mass destruction? Unless you have power armors nearby or gadgets for everyone, you're screwed. Plus it's implied that either heroes could be made artificially, or there were A LOT of them, so the villain's idea of demonizing heroes and getting rid of them sets you up for a painful end.
That's not to mention their use in wars and such.
On the plus side, she's shot in the face with a flare pistol so she had an appropriately horrible end, at least.
 
I truly dislike the sequel for what it did, and that includes I legitimately liked the concept of the twins if nothing else: both the obvious would-be villain actually being a genuinely good man wanting heroes back after all and his push for them legitimate, and the actual villainess having a decent motivation to protect her brother/said seeming bad guy clearly not excusing her evil. Actually a really good nuance for a superhero film, ya know?

But man, they should have been saved for a much better future sequel plot as we continue to properly build off the first one.
It was an alright movie, but something was off about it. I think it was the lack of nuance handling the oppression of the supers. In the first movie, the main text is "superheroes are oppressed because they're dangerous," which is done in a bunch of different superhero media already and is normal to expect. The subtext makes it feel more human, more real, more tied to actual things that happened not too long ago irl. It's impactful and doesn't have to smack you upside the head to stand out. The sequel, however, smacks you upside the head and ends up not being impactful at all. It feels like propaganda, and even if you agree with it, it's hard to enjoy watching propaganda.

I liked the new supers like Voyd, whose power and costume were cool, and I thought the family witnessing Jack-Jack and Bob having to be a homemaker were funny, but idk. Maybe it would've been better as a drawn out TV show with more time to inject nuance into the characters. Build up the fear of the screen slaver, maybe start to sympathize with Evelyn Deavor.
Unless you have power armors nearby or gadgets for everyone, you're screwed. Plus it's implied that either heroes could be made artificially, or there were A LOT of them, so the villain's idea of demonizing heroes and getting rid of them sets you up for a painful end.
She did also make gadgets, like those goggles that brainwashed the supers for 5 whole minutes (anyone else feel like that was rushed/too obvious at the end?) Maybe she assumed she'd get some kind of contract with the authorities to suit them up to take down supers/regular villains.
 
Unless you have power armors nearby or gadgets for everyone, you're screwed. Plus it's implied that either heroes could be made artificially, or there were A LOT of them, so the villain's idea of demonizing heroes and getting rid of them sets you up for a painful end.
Sorry for doubleposting, but I'm still thinking about it and that would've made an interesting point in the story. If Elastigirl was somehow able to show Evelyn that even if she rids the world of supers there will still be superpowered people, good and bad, and banning good supers means only the law-breakers will be super (wow sounds like an argument about gun control...), to kind of show her WHY she's wrong before she gets defeated. They could even illustrate how arming normal people with weapons like the ones she can create, like the goggles, creates overpowered people who are just as dangerous, just as unregulated, just as unsafe, as the supers she hates so much. Like Syndrome, who had no powers and almost wiped out an entire town. It's almost like Evelyn's line of thinking isn't completely thought out and leads to even more problems because it's not that she hates people having superpowers, she hates that her parents died, and that's not something you can fix by killing more people.
 
I truly dislike the sequel for what it did, and that includes I legitimately liked the concept of the twins if nothing else: both the obvious would-be villain actually being a genuinely good man wanting heroes back after all and his push for them legitimate, and the actual villainess having a decent motivation to protect her brother/said seeming bad guy clearly not excusing her evil. Actually a really good nuance for a superhero film, ya know?

But man, they should have been saved for a much better future sequel plot as we continue to properly build off the first one.
We all know the true sequal and the real way the Underminer was taken down:
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Incredibles 3? After the trash fire of 2 that destroyed the 1st one? What plot is there to write about?
A timeskip is a given because one decision that baffled people was just continuing off where the original ended at instead of showing a competent super family with an older Bob and Helen, preteen Jack-Jack and with Dash and Violet as older teenagers or young adults. The overall plot? I bet they're going to introduce some Magneto inspired character who rallies the hero/superpowered community especially after Syndrome's attempted genocide and the glowniggers treating them like second class citizens or erasing their memories.
 
Unless you have power armors nearby or gadgets for everyone, you're screwed. Plus it's implied that either heroes could be made artificially, or there were A LOT of them, so the villain's idea of demonizing heroes and getting rid of them sets you up for a painful end.
In the first movie, the main text is "superheroes are oppressed because they're dangerous," which is done in a bunch of different superhero media already and is normal to expect.
I remember someone made an interesting point about none of the villains are actual supers.
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A timeskip is a given because one decision that baffled people was just continuing off where the original ended at instead of showing a competent super family with an older Bob and Helen, preteen Jack-Jack and with Dash and Violet as older teenagers or young adults. The overall plot? I bet they're going to introduce some Magneto inspired character who rallies the hero/superpowered community especially after Syndrome's attempted genocide and the glowniggers treating them like second class citizens or erasing their memories.
I wanted 2 to be a time skip with the focus on the kids so badly. Jack Jack has so much potential to go from comedic relief baby to complex character because of his OP powers. He would make a very interesting villain/antihero if he went the way of Gamma Jack.
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I truly dislike the sequel for what it did, and that includes I legitimately liked the concept of the twins if nothing else: both the obvious would-be villain actually being a genuinely good man wanting heroes back after all and his push for them legitimate, and the actual villainess having a decent motivation to protect her brother/said seeming bad guy clearly not excusing her evil. Actually a really good nuance for a superhero film, ya know?

But man, they should have been saved for a much better future sequel plot as we continue to properly build off the first one.
Incredibles 2 has moments but God it was a let down.
I remember being frustrated by the new heroes designs because they look like mutant cereal mascots, instead of the actual humans that supers were originally. Only two or so look remotely normal. Like are you telling me that no one can tell the brick monster and the pigeon man are superheroes?

Screenslaver is a cool villain until Evilyn explains her motivation. Which is pretty fuckin pointless when you remember that supers were already banned for like 15 years. "The world can't rely on heroes!" It already doesn't, and you're making it worse thanks.

The plan at the end was retarded, Evilyn invites a bunch of foreign superheroes and then doesn't brain wash them, just trusts that her gang can take care of them. What if they can't???? Those are superheroes! The set piece also felt so small scale compared to the Omni droid destroying a city, which subtly acts as a family outing for the Parrs, complete with a road trip and a game of catch between Dash and Bob. (brilliant).
Just crashing a yacht into a harbor is way lamer.

There's also the problem of Helen not getting as much of an arc as Bob got in the first movie. Granted she was a pretty complete character in the first movie so they might have just miscalculated making her the star, Dash or Violet would have been more interesting. All she really does is look for the screenslaver, fail, and then try again at the end, it never felt like her character was informing any of her plot beats, she also doesn't have a prior relationship with Evilyne like Bob did with Buddy. It doesn't feel as personal as it did.

I hope for 3 we get a time skip, there is no where for the family to go as they are, something has to change. I wanna see a new story with these characters, cause on its surface Incredibles is about getting older, it's disappointing for a sequel not to advance that theme.
 
I truly dislike the sequel for what it did, and that includes I legitimately liked the concept of the twins if nothing else: both the obvious would-be villain actually being a genuinely good man wanting heroes back after all and his push for them legitimate, and the actual villainess having a decent motivation to protect her brother/said seeming bad guy clearly not excusing her evil. Actually a really good nuance for a superhero film, ya know?

But man, they should have been saved for a much better future sequel plot as we continue to properly build off the first one.
Incredibles 2 should have been a time skip where the kids learn to follow in their parents footsteps.
 
She did also make gadgets, like those goggles that brainwashed the supers for 5 whole minutes (anyone else feel like that was rushed/too obvious at the end?) Maybe she assumed she'd get some kind of contract with the authorities to suit them up to take down supers/regular villains.
Right, I forgot about that, it was such an after-thought it barely counts.

I remember someone made an interesting point about none of the villains are actual supers.
But there were supervillains mentioned and shown on-screen.

I wanted 2 to be a time skip with the focus on the kids so badly. Jack Jack has so much potential to go from comedic relief baby to complex character because of his OP powers. He would make a ver
Instead, we had Bob sit at home and be ridiculous in a bad way because "screw hetero men!" mentality, I suppose.
Reminds me of how much Toy Story 5 and Lightyear shit on their male protagonist, especially the latter, and how the movie suffers from it.
 
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finally watched Flow, very cool, was at the wife the next day like "so now that you're suitably traumatized about drowning, which knife/windowbuster do you want to carry from my selections"
also our cat liked tuning in and out of it
like, he REALLY seemed like he picked up on "this is a work of fiction on the watching stuff screen, this time about a cartoon cat" and enjoyed it
his attention span didn't really hold up much beyond "the cat interacts with a dog" and "the cat explores a boat" and similar short bits but he was far more into than he ever is when he's watching real videos of "Video For Cats" of birds or cats, he likes those sorta, and he seems to like the human noises from MST3k, but simple cartoon cat having cat adventure really pushed his buttons

is there other stuff that's similarly animated cat things for cats?
he doesn't get high enough for fantadroms
 
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