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Hamsteroid said:
It's even "worse": He steals the radio from a black kid who is friends with the white bully. The black boy participates in the bullying later, but only because of peer pressure. Of course, the two kids of color become friends in the end.
Overall a paint-by-numbers movie I had already half forgotten by the time the credits rolled.
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Gotta love "woke representation" that consists of "niggers and spics steal stuff."
 
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LucasSomething said:
The disney pixar movie Elio bombed and is the lowest debut in pixar history. You might have missed as the marketing was not the strongest. I sure did.

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The movie was delayed for 2 years and had significant writing changes, indicating some dev hell. In the first (2023) trailer, Elio is kidnapped by aliens against his will and has to pretend to be earth's ruler to survive. Not a great trailer but an ok conflict.


In the second trailer (2025) is basically the opposite. Elio WANTS to be kidnapped and is super happy when he does and no threat or conflict shown.


People are blaming on marketing fumble, disney+ and original IPs not selling but i think the trailer was lame and people are tired of beanmouth artstyle. Some normie opinions:


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Lilo and stich live action made almost a billion already so more remakes and sequels on the way.
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I don't have an exact reason but this movie gives me pedo vibes. Is anyone else getting that? I know it changed hands but the gay guy originally making this slop gave me a bad feeling I can't describe. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? I mean would you be surprised if some sickos into shota made this box office bomb?
 
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LucasSomething said:
The disney pixar movie Elio bombed and is the lowest debut in pixar history. You might have missed as the marketing was not the strongest. I sure did.

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The movie was delayed for 2 years and had significant writing changes, indicating some dev hell. In the first (2023) trailer, Elio is kidnapped by aliens against his will and has to pretend to be earth's ruler to survive. Not a great trailer but an ok conflict.


In the second trailer (2025) is basically the opposite. Elio WANTS to be kidnapped and is super happy when he does and no threat or conflict shown.


People are blaming on marketing fumble, disney+ and original IPs not selling but i think the trailer was lame and people are tired of beanmouth artstyle. Some normie opinions:


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Lilo and stich live action made almost a billion already so more remakes and sequels on the way.
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I feel bad for the guys that worked on this, Pixar is the dream job for so many people, but there are some guys that get stuck with forgettable filler movies that are forgotten in a month.

Like it's not easy to make an animated movie, unless you're illumination. What I'm glad for is that it's Disney that gets punished for these movies failing, their own practices of only compensating artists for the work and not the performance is ironically rear ending them when they won't promote the work they paid for. They just write it off in taxes and hope some toys catch a kids eye.
 
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TokiBun said:
I don't have an exact reason but this movie gives me pedo vibes. Is anyone else getting that? I know it changed hands but the gay guy originally making this slop gave me a bad feeling I can't describe. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? I mean would you be surprised if some sickos into shota made this box office bomb?
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Adrian Molina gives me creepy vibes.
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Brenda Holiday said:
Damn it, time to rewatch Moral Orel again...
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Moral Orel is evidently a deconstruction of religious fundamentalism. Would the theming of WHY fundamentalism is horrid and toxic from Moral Orel still work if instead of Christianity, it's related to LGBTQ+ culture? Orel himself takes whatever aesop is taught to him literally, where his father condemns him despite following his father's moral compass.

 
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FK009 said:
How? Someone explain that one to me, please. I’ve heard about the changes made, how did this make money?
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A combination of a few things:
  1. Memorial Day weekend release. Its only real competition was the new "Mission Impossible" movie but there were no other family friendly movies in theaters at the time. You gotta pry your brats off from the small screens to stick them in front of the big screen once in a while.
  2. Chris Sanders was on the project. The man the myth the legend himself hot off the heels from "The Wild Robot"s quite surprising success came back to lend more of his magic to his old conquest. Easing worries that this would be yet another adaption that misses the fucking point.......moving on.
  3. Stitch translated well into live-action to not look gross. We all know how uncanny valley a lot of 2D designs can be in the 3D space. The Smurfs, the Chipmunks, Garfield, Sonic (before the changes) and so on. But Stitch managed to look good. Combine that with the previews being reminiscent of old L&S humor, it was shaping up to be a promising watch............moving on.
  4. Stitch is still recognizable and popular to this day. Mostly overseas but here too. Even before the movie, I would see Stitch merch in the stores in my local mall. Hot Topic, Boxlunch, Spencers, FYE etc. Stitch is still popular, thus marketable. You won't see Olaf or the Inside Out crew get that kind of merch despite being from record-breaking movies.
  5. Normie money is fool's money. And a fool and and their money are soon parted. They see "Disney" and "Lilo & Stich" and just let the dollars walk out of their wallets. They don't care about this leading to more of this crap, less original things, less 2D animation etc. It's product, they consume product, they wait for next product. Hard to stop that much less compete with that.
I'm sure Im missing something but as far as I can tell all these things led to the movie being a success despite being a stinker. That's showbiz kid. 🚬
 
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Coolio55 said:
I keep forgetting that Onward was a Pixar movie. The shitty (not) Jack Black character keeps throwing me off.

E: Actually, no. Fuck you. I'm not done.
When I heard about the concept for that film, I thought that it could be really interesting ...but they save having the dad actually speak until the end of the film for that cheap emotional moment.
I just wanted a film of two guys going on a roadtrip with the father they never knew.
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I could defend Onward a little. Though it does have a very weak opening. It's biggest problem is that it has trouble getting the audience to realize the story's promise (mostly because it's concentrating too hard on having a "twist").

Grand Duke Snowfall said:
Yeah, I’ve heard that it’s kind of a nothingburger at best from most people. With some questionable writing choices too, and boring designs. Aliens are usually great because you can do some fun things with their anatomy, but basically everyone in the movie is some form of soft blob.
I’ve also seen a couple spergs be like “W-well, you can’t not watch it just because of the art style! Having an art style you don’t like doesn’t mean it’s trash!”
If I’m going to be looking at something for 90 minutes and paying for tickets and snacks, then I think I’d like the characters to not be visually offensive, thank you very much. Oh, and said spergs think this could totally make a comeback like Elemental supposedly did. If more people talk about it.
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Boy if you want to see a sperg out, watch Alan Ng rant about how poorly done Elio was.
 
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Coolio55 said:
I keep forgetting that Onward was a Pixar movie. The shitty (not) Jack Black character keeps throwing me off.

E: Actually, no. Fuck you. I'm not done.
When I heard about the concept for that film, I thought that it could be really interesting ...but they save having the dad actually speak until the end of the film for that cheap emotional moment.
I just wanted a film of two guys going on a roadtrip with the father they never knew.
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Onward is the kind of thing that might've been clever and fun if it was made in the 1990s, but now is just another subverted fantasy movie, a concept that's been beaten to death. I know everyone is obsessed with being subversive and self aware now, but the fact that someone actually pitched "what if you took a fantasy world...and sucked all the fun out of it?!" to Pixar and got it approved when there are literally infinite options for other things to make is just sad.

Then, to make sure it was as boring as possible they went with generic elves that are essentially just blue humans (to the point where one just flat out looks like Linguini from Ratatouille) for the protagonists. You would think that with the premise you would want them to be something very different from humans to really sell the contrast between fantasy and mundane life, but no. Blue humans..
 
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Spindlehorse Toons uttering the word fuck every few seconds: I sleep.

An official Phineas and Ferb animatic:

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Legitimately the most unexpected belly laugh of my entire life.

also archive of the whole thing:
 
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Coolio55 said:
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war
...between people stockpiling unreleased material from media intended for toddlers.
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Tracking down and sharing mondo obscure stuff from the past is worthwhile if they're genuinely neglected hidden gems, or something with a sense of history but yes, a lot of people in the "Lost Media" communities are often just celebrating obscurity for its own sake. Most of them will never find anything like pilots for good adult cartoon shows or animation in general, footage of actual controversial real life events,, entire films or TV series, or lost games that have been completed or were close to completion. You have some people who will devote and share considerable time, resources and effort into tracking down ephemera like two-second commercial bumpers, unsold Nick pilots nobody cared about or like a cartoon short about tooth care that showed up briefly in a promo on an Angry Beavers VHS from 1998.
 
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