🐱 We’ve All Failed Amber Heard

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As the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case plays out in a Virginia court, a separate trial has been playing out online, where the verdict skews heavily towards Depp being the “real victim.”


For weeks, memes and reels calling Heard a “liar,” “psychopath,” and a “manipulator” have congested social media. They make fun of her hair, outfits, and facial expressions, and at times even wish her dead. On TikTok alone, the #justiceforjohnnydepp hashtag has been viewed 16.3 billion times—compared to only 53.6 million for #justiceforamberheard (not even close to 1 percent as many).




Today, that judgement is in our group chats, at the bar, and may even come up over dinner, and it’s a reality that in some ways has already declared Heard the loser—even if she wins in court.


“If anything it'll probably be worse for her if she wins,” Mandi Gray, a gender justice expert and researcher with the University of Calgary, told VICE News. “The public humiliation is, in my opinion, going to increase.”

At least some of the pro-Johnny content comes from right-wing site Daily Wire, founded by Ben Shapiro. (VICE World News found how Daily Wire spent thousands of dollars on pro-Depp advertising.) But there have also been rumors that trolls and bots are rapidly spreading content in defence of the Pirates of the Caribbean actor. Then there are the content creators who have started commenting on the trial to gain followers and clout.

The overwhelming deluge of content targeting Heard is itself abusive and humiliating, experts say, and it’s partly why we, collectively as a society, are failing Heard.

“I don't think we've only failed Amber Heard. I think we've failed all women who've experienced gendered violence,” Gray said.


Regardless of whether you believe Depp or Heard or both, many of us are piling onto the abuse Heard has repeatedly said she’s experienced: by creating—or actively consuming or sharing—anti-Heard vitriol. It’s also why Depp, in some ways, has already won, experts say.


“It takes a village,” said gender justice advocate Farrah Khan. “It’s not just about the person causing harm; it’s about the people around who enable, uphold, and encourage it.”

All this is taking place while we’re still days away from a verdict in the Fairfax courtroom, where Depp has launched a $50 million defamation suit against Heard in response to a 2018 Washington Post op-ed that Heard wrote about her experiences with domestic assault. The piece didn’t name Depp, but the Oscar-nominated actor maintains it’s “plainly” about him and that it cost him his career. Heard is counter-suing Depp for $100 million in damages. Both Heard and Depp accuse the other of being abusive while maintaining their own innocence.
For weeks, the court has heard harrowing testimonies from both actors, who’ve produced images, audio recordings, and private text messages to make their cases. In one string of texts, Depp said he wanted to “burn” Heard and that he would “fuck her burnt corpse” to “make sure she is dead.” In an audio recording played repeatedly for the jury, Heard tells Depp that she “hit” him, but didn’t “punch” him. “I did not fucking deck you,” she says in the audio. Pictures of Heard with a bruised and swollen face, and hair ripped out of her scalp, accompany several allegations of abuse she says she experienced at the hands of Depp.


Depp says Heard cut off the tip of his finger during the infamous Australia fight. (At the time, he told people he did it himself.) It was during that fight that Heard says Depp repeatedly threw glass and penetrated her with a bottle. She told the court Depp held a broken bottle to her jaw and told her he’d “carve up” her face.
Comments accompanying trial livestreams have made light of Depp’s violent texts (“lol Johnny”) and honor his allegations, while they call the images of Heard’s injuries “photoshop” and spam her testimony with puke emojis.

Even people who say they’ve experienced abuse themselves have expressed their disdain for Heard. But, as Khan said, we’re only experts when it comes to our own experiences.

“That doesn’t make you an expert on domestic violence as a whole because it happens in so many different ways,” Khan said.

“You'll have more perpetrators—and more violence.”

Several gender-based justice advocates have told VICE News that Heard should be believed, and note that defamation cases are very often used by abusers to further control and coerce survivors.

Gray, who has studied the phenomenon and is being sued herself in Canada for tweeting about sexual assault allegations, said such legal cases are a “way to publicly humiliate people, women primarily, and gain control.” That’s partly because when you’re sued, you have to hand over a large part of your life: text messages between friends and families, emails, and more, that are then scrutinized in court.



“It’s a very invasive process to go through,” Gray said, adding that by initiating defamation suits, perpetrators can also attempt to “flip the script.”


“This case is not the exception. It’s the rule,” Gray said.

But even if Heard is lying, would it justify the hate swarming our social media feeds? “Wouldn’t you still say it’s not OK—I don’t want her harmed, I don’t want her hurt?” Khan said.

The vitriolic comments are already causing a silencing effect. Some readers have reached out to say they’re too scared to speak out against Depp because they don’t want “his horde” attacking them.
Soon, it will silence domestic violence victims and survivors themselves, said Jaclyn Friedman, a feminist writer and founder of EducateUS, a group dedicated to improving sex education in the U.S.

“You’re just going to see fewer victims speaking up. Some victims will think that they can’t even leave because they've seen their friends and families attack Heard and support Depp,” Friedman said.
“What all of that means is you'll have more perpetrators—and more violence.”
This would likely play out even worse for other women, especially women of color or poorer women. Heard’s sexuality has been weaponized throughout her fallout with Depp: tabloids have painted her as promiscuous and imply she cheated on Depp—all because she has dated both men and women. But the Aquaman star is also white and conventionally attractive.




So, if we treat a cis white woman so poorly, “what are we saying to the rest?” Khan said. “I think about Megan Thee Stallion… I think about FKA Twigs.”
Heard’s case also has the potential to shape how young people understand sexual and domestic violence. About one-third of TikTok users in the U.S. are between the ages of 10 and 19 and more than half are women. They’ll undoubtedly see Depp-Heard content. Many of these users will experience sexual and domestic violence themselves, Khan pointed out.

“This is an issue we should be taking seriously because this is one of the biggest public misinformation campaigns we've ever seen about domestic violence,” Khan said. “This case is shaping how young people view domestic violence.”


Khan also said the way this is all playing out will create a “how to harm” playbook, too.

So, while a “win in court is better than a loss,” Friedman said, “the message has been sent to not just current victims, but future victims that you need to be willing to go through public humiliation, character assassination, and retraumatization.”

The court case is expected to wrap up Friday, with a verdict expected soon after. But as Friedman pointed out, “a lot of the damage has already been done.”

In the meantime, Heard and Depp’s legal teams are tying up their cases now in their final attempts to sway the jury. But eerily prescient text messages written by Depp years ago suggest that what’s going on outside of the courtroom is already going his way.

“I have no mercy, no fear and not an ounce of emotion, or what I once thought was love for the gold digging, low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market… I’m so fucking happy she wants to go to fight this out!!! She will hit the wall hard!!!” Depp wrote in 2016, presumably about Heard after she filed for a restraining order against him.

“She’s begging for total global humiliation... She’s gonna get it.”
 
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I like checking in every once in a while on this case to see the legal side of things. Court is weird when it's Hollywood celebrities on trial. I'm just gonna wait for a YouTuber to make a 2 hour long analysis of the case to explain why Amber Heard is a psycho bitch.

Outside of that, I don't know why anyone cares. They're so fucking rich and detached from normal reality, this case will end and everything will return to the status quo for them. Picking sides in a legal battle is pretty fuckin retarded when the purpose of a trial is to lay out the facts.
seriously the fucking sense I get from these articles is "PEASANTS! DEFEND THE NOBLEWOMAN IMMEDIATELY!"

and really nobody should be shocked that the peasantry isn't particularly interested in this retard shit
 
By that "logic" then, given that virtually all wars, genocides, child rapes and school shootings, etc., are carried out by males, it's ok to say all men do it?
The only thing women are capable of going to war with and mass murdering are their own babies that can't fight back.
Nah, they still get men to do that.

That aside, though, we're talking a generalization that you made versus an unsparing claim of every member of a group that @Wuornos made. Myself, I'm less interested in "AWALT"/"NAWALT" as much as I am interested in what women permit in their spaces.

Women generally (not universally, generally) permit what we're seeing happening against Depp in other cases-- this is why, for example, #metoo was able to flourish well after Weinstein and with more dubious cases, and part of why the name "Asia Argento" isn't held in similar infamy as the name "Harvey Weinstein". It's also why Title IX and its faciliation of kangaroo disciplinary hearings for even specious sexual assault accusations still exist.

Contrast with everything @Wuornos listed-- those are inherently controversial, if not generally condemned actions regardless of allegiance-- and we already have prescribed consequences for them. They're still done, but they're not condoned by (in this case) the male subculture.

I'm not very concerned about women being at the vanguard of Depp's defense in the court of public opinion. Firstly, they're also the majority of those defending Heard. Secondly, I'm all but certain that-- for many, but not all of them-- their defense was originally generated by their respect/admiration for him as a heartthrob actor and was only afterwards substantiated by the facts (or the lack thereof, if we're talking about Heard's accusation). Men, in contrast, have come to more generally distrust specious accusations of DV/sexual violence because they realize that can be them that's accused with hardly any way to vindicate themselves despite the nonreality of the allegations-- and in some cases, it has been. I suppose it's personal for both of them, and it's just that it happens that the man's personal investment happens to align with the pursuit of justice by way of not wanting to incur the sting of injustice.

It's been a good while, but women's response in defense of Depp is much stronger than what I recall was women's response in defense of Kavanaugh even though Blasey-Ford's testimony was even more specious ("recovered memories", accusation made decades after the fact and only at a major political junction for the accused, an internally inconsistent description of the incident) and other accusers had not-so-mysteriously retracted their accusations. That's part of the basis for my observations and bias.
 
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For better or worse, good or bad, articles like this are the reason why things like MGTOW, red pill, and manosphere places exist in the first place, as autistic as most of those places are.

When you are trying to convince men that Amber Heard is the VICTIM here, that's what breeds this "misogyny" in the first place. If she can't be called out as an abuser, then what women can short of actual murder? And even then, we see articles were the man "deserved" to be murdered, and I don't just mean in really obvious rape-type responses either.
 
Vice and Vox are desperately defending a deranged, lying psychopath who both figuratively and literally shit the bed. That's gotta be rough.
I hate valley girls with a passion. They’re assholes that think they should get whatever they want and never face any consequences. They’re worse than Karens.
 
Nah, they still get men to do that.

That aside, though, we're talking a generalization that you made versus an unsparing claim of every member of a group that @Wuornos made. Myself, I'm less interested in "AWALT"/"NAWALT" as much as I am interested in what women permit in their spaces.

Women generally (not universally, generally) permit what we're seeing happening against Depp in other cases-- this is why, for example, #metoo was able to flourish well after Weinstein and with more dubious cases, and part of why the name "Asia Argento" isn't held in similar infamy as the name "Harvey Weinstein". It's also why Title IX and its faciliation of kangaroo disciplinary hearings for even specious sexual assault accusations still exist.

Contrast with everything @Wuornos listed-- those are inherently controversial, if not generally condemned actions regardless of allegiance-- and we already have prescribed consequences for them. They're still done, but they're not condoned by (in this case) the male subculture.

I'm not very concerned about women being at the vanguard of Depp's defense in the court of public opinion. Firstly, they're also the majority of those defending Heard. Secondly, I'm all but certain that-- for many, but not all of them-- their defense was originally generated by their respect/admiration for him as a heartthrob actor and was only afterwards substantiated by the facts (or the lack thereof, if we're talking about Heard's accusation). Men, in contrast, have come to more generally distrust specious accusations of DV/sexual violence because they realize that can be them that's accused with hardly any way to vindicate themselves despite the nonreality of the allegations-- and in some cases, it has been. I suppose it's personal for both of them, and it's just that it happens that the man's personal investment just happens to align with the pursuit of justice by way of not wanting to incur the sting of injustice.

It's been a good while, but women's response in defense of Depp is much stronger than what I recall was women's response in defense of Kavanaugh even though Blasey-Ford's testimony was even more specious ("recovered memories", accusation made decades after the fact and only at a major political junction for the accused, an internally inconsistent description of the incident) and other accusers had not-so-mysteriously retracted their accusations. That's part of the basis for my observations and bias.

Women are almost incapable of saying something a woman did was bad, wrong, and dumb, unless they perceive that woman as being some kind of social rival.
 
Women are almost incapable of saying something a woman did was bad, wrong, and dumb, unless they perceive that woman as being some kind of social rival.
I think it's partly an issue of agreeability-- that is to say, they struggle with being definitively condemnatory on their own (without the backing of an individual or institution of a perceived strength comparable to that whom is to be condemned), whether we're talking about a man or a woman.

Why are the nurses so reluctant to come to the most inescapable of conclusions? Their training tells them, quite rightly, that it is their duty to care for everyone without regard for personal merit or deserts; but for them, there is no difference between suspending judgment for certain restricted purposes and making no judgment at all in any circumstances whatsoever. It is as if they were more afraid of passing an adverse verdict on someone than of getting a punch in the face—a likely enough consequence, incidentally, of their failure of discernment. Since it is scarcely possible to recognize a wife beater without inwardly condemning him, it is safer not to recognize him as one in the first place.
 
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I really hate intersectionality and the notion that you should just automatically believe someone because they're part of a "marginalized" group. There are people literally saying that you should believe everything she says, and that she could never never lie, because she's a woman and not a man.

She very clearly has a personality disorder and is just very disingenuous.
 
But even if Heard is lying, would it justify the hate swarming our social media feeds? “Wouldn’t you still say it’s not OK—I don’t want her harmed, I don’t want her hurt?” Khan said.
The vitriolic comments are already causing a silencing effect. Some readers have reached out to say they’re too scared to speak out against Depp because they don’t want “his horde” attacking them.

I remember when a shitstorm descended on Depp when this all broke initially. Strangely, the media outlets gleefully joined in or were noticeably silent. I'm sure that was just a mistake.

Depp is Cherokee or whatever and it's frankly disgraceful that a Native American is being subjected to such treatment. Like, I thought women have fallen down the oppression stack? Troons and minorities rank higher? No? Huh.
 
lol, I haven't been following this at all and couldn't care less about Johnny Depp (or most actors), and even I know the man was done wrong big time and deserves the world after what he's gone through. Even Amber Heard's Wikipedia photo showcases an insufferable smugness:
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I didn't even know who she was before this. Some capeshit actress, I guess?
 
Amber Heard failed Amber Heard.

If she didn’t want to be accused of being a lying, evil, manipulative psychopath, maybe she shouldn’t have behaved like a lying, evil, manipulative psychopath while also trying to destroy someone else.

You’re just going to see fewer victims speaking up. Some victims will think that they can’t even leave because they've seen their friends and families attack Heard and support Depp,” Friedman said.
Seeing people support a man who was a victim in an abusive relationship will lead to more people thinking they have to accept being in an abusive relationship?
 
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