What are your thoughts on (or experiences with) Native Americans?

[PonderosaPete]

I can't say much that hasn't been said, but that's it's the saddest slow genocide in history. If you look at their numbers, many tribes are declining steadily in numbers.

Say what you want, but natives mogged the French, British and American settlers constantly and lost most to attrition. Besides their history, native mythology is unabashedly fascinating and cool.

It's a shame that you can't portray their culture anymore unless it's the most well washed squeaky clean version of events where natives did no wrong. Portraying them more of a fantasy race than a real people. Fucked up acts were perpetrated by both sides, but don't treat it like settlers were coming over here and just kicking forest babies. They had their own cultures, many of which were complex, spanning two continents and gave their invades a run for their money. Low and behold that a multiple interconnecting societies lost the war of attrition against an industrialized nations. They didn't go down easy though.

I'll admit my own experiences with Indians is strictly with northern ones. Inuit can be great to hang around with. They don't live there, but their "communities" are absolute jokes, but at least the chiefs family gets to live nicely.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

but when the europeans took north america in the 1500s the natives there were still stuck on something like 5000BC stone age levels of underdevelopment. like, they had not even figured out how to smelt iron, they were stuck using copper based metal tools before columbus.

There actually were some tribes that had started on iron working but their societies collapsed before it became widespread. One thing I will give natives slack for and that I think is important to remember is that the entire continent went through a massive plague after the first contact with Europeans that literally killed upwards of 80% of people in some areas and the introduction of the horse radically changed everything. The Indian cultures of the 1600s to the early 1900s were vastly diffrent from what they looked liked like pre-1492.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I've known a few. Either very proud or very chill. One is a welding buddy that left his reservation. He's a good man. A bit crazy, likes making some kooky art with metal, but a good man still.

 

[bile demon]

There was a cute apartment complex built for Natives next door to me. Well two years later and it’s been completely trashed. Literal garbage outside the building and in the parking lot, heavy police presence there these past six months, shitty cars parked all around, residents cussing and screaming out in the open, dogs barking at all hours, a couple times there’ll be youths doing donuts in the parking lot and blasting god awful rap music…

Sounds like featherniggers are the gypsies of Burgerland.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Before the British and Portuguese came and conquered India, it too was a backwards ass tribal swampland

It still is.

 

[Aunt Carol]

There's something I don't understand, but I haven't been able to ask it anywhere in polite society:

Native Americans are interbreeding with various other races, probably mostly white. As time passes, there are going to be fewer and fewer people who are "100%" NA, or even 25%. At some point nobody is going to be more than 1/32 Indian, unless there's some fluke incest messiah hiding out in a trailer.

Is there a plan for sundowning the government gibs, in the context of this slow and voluntary dilution?

I'm not even accounting for culture, which is ephemeral and hard to define, although I think that quite a bit of it has been lost or changed. It's more that in a few generations, most "Indians" are going to just be white trash with an asterisk, and I've never seen anyone address that.

 

[Higgs Bonbon]

I haven't had a bad experience with them (yet), the few I've dealt with were friendly and enjoyed the outdoors, which just makes me frustrated to know that apparently all their chiefs/governing bodies are corrupt parasitic grifters.

 

[PonderosaPete]

Is there a plan for sundowning the government gibs, in the context of this slow and voluntary dilution?

I don't think it was the original plan, but as it started happening, the government just started running with it. Playing the long game is the quietest way to remove natives as a financial burden. It doesn't help them that majority immigrant areas don't give a fuck about natives and would have no issue cutting them off from gibs.

 

[Mega Black]

Latest interaction I had was at my old job. When I told him I wouldn't print pornography for him and that he wasn't allowed to look it up at the public computers he started to go apeshit, claimed kids were running around in our establishment calling him "big nigger!" And that I was a fucking racist piece of shit and all white people needed raped and killed. Then I looked it up and apparently he had just gotten out of jail for knifing a guy in the public park.

Then my boss got mad at me for 'not handling it well' and I got suspended for sending an email that basically said "hey, this guy is bonkers and should be banned. Pretty bullshit I had to deal with this."

So I am not a fan.

 

[Midwest Midwit]

The Hey-a Ho-ma chant is better than any rap song I've ever heard.

 

[Uncle Tom's Condo]

There's something I don't understand, but I haven't been able to ask it anywhere in polite society:

Native Americans are interbreeding with various other races, probably mostly white. As time passes, there are going to be fewer and fewer people who are "100%" NA, or even 25%. At some point nobody is going to be more than 1/32 Indian, unless there's some fluke incest messiah hiding out in a trailer.

Is there a plan for sundowning the government gibs, in the context of this slow and voluntary dilution?

I'm not even accounting for culture, which is ephemeral and hard to define, although I think that quite a bit of it has been lost or changed. It's more that in a few generations, most "Indians" are going to just be white trash with an asterisk, and I've never seen anyone address that.

Each federally recognized tribe has the authority to set membership policy and control enrollment, so it depends on each tribe. The richer ones with casinos tend to have stricter policies since they want to keep their per cap or dividend as high as possible. Other don't give a fuck and are more than willing to take on lower quantum decedents since that means more money from the BIA for the tribal programs. At some point, yes, it will become an issue but the reservation model keeps most of them isolated from the rest of the general population. That day is far off; no government program really ever goes away.

I've lived and worked in indian country for a good chunk of my life and met all kinds from various tribes. Some were utter shitbags who needed to have a 'hunting accident' and others were great people who'd give you the shirt off their back. Most were just normal people living in rural areas, kinda like well-tanned hillbillies. There is the issue of braindrain on the rez and native-majority communities, though, since anyone with a brain and willpower will get the fuck out ASAP and do okay for themselves in regular America and they get snatched up by private corps or higher level fedgov agencies. Some do go back to their towns, and more power to them, but most of the places are fucked and utterly corrupt or are so remote that there's no real chance to integrate to the rest of America.

And yeah. Booze. No idea what portion is genertic or how much is due to despair, but goddamn it's depressing and has ruined some otherwise good people.

 

[Poppy Brown]

There has been a lot of talk over the years of an epidemic of missing or murdered native women. Lots of cries that it's so racist that the media doesn't talk about it enough. The thing is though the reason the media probably doesn't talk about it is that it's most likely native men doing the crimes and it would be "racist" to point that out. Of course, instead of seeing that, many in the true crime scene make up grand conspiracies that the US/Canadian governments are killing them so they can't have native babies. Like no disrespect, but I highly doubt the government gives a fuck about them one way or another. Natives haven't been a threat to anyone but themselves for a very long time.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

not comparable. pre british india was behind europe yes, but it was still a civilized society. they had agriculture, they had permanent settlements, they had a writing system. india is one of the oldest civilisations on the planet actually, they had been doing stuff like philosophy and mathematics for a very long time. for example, the written numbers that we know today as 'arabic numerals' actually developed from ancient hindu numerals that the arabs learned about from indians.

like, let's say when the british took india in the 1700s, india was on a 1300 or 1400 level of development.
but when the europeans took north america in the 1500s the natives there were still stuck on something like 5000BC stone age levels of underdevelopment. like, they had not even figured out how to smelt iron, they were stuck using copper based metal tools before columbus.

You're right in stating that the dot Indians were further along the tech tree than the feather Indians, but that shouldn't be an excuse for their unwillingness to want to catch up, especially with all the gibs they get from the feds. When the British and French came to the new world, many natives learned how to use guns and some even learned English and French fluently. I don't see why this progress and assimilation into civilization couldn't continue. Now that we talk about it, the tribal land and res system is probably something that's holding them back.

 

[Ser Prize]

not comparable. pre british india was behind europe yes, but it was still a civilized society. they had agriculture, they had permanent settlements, they had a writing system. india is one of the oldest civilisations on the planet actually, they had been doing stuff like philosophy and mathematics for a very long time. for example, the written numbers that we know today as 'arabic numerals' actually developed from ancient hindu numerals that the arabs learned about from indians.

like, let's say when the british took india in the 1700s, india was on a 1300 or 1400 level of development.
but when the europeans took north america in the 1500s the natives there were still stuck on something like 5000BC stone age levels of underdevelopment. like, they had not even figured out how to smelt iron, they were stuck using copper based metal tools before columbus.

They also never invented the wheel as far as I know, which is notable because these are tribes that were migratory. They'd legit take the tipis down, lay the skins out and fucking drag all their belongings.

 

[Uncle Tom's Condo]

There has been a lot of talk over the years of an epidemic of missing or murdered native women. Lots of cries that it's so racist that the media doesn't talk about it enough. The thing is though the reason the media probably doesn't talk about it is that it's most likely native men doing the crimes and it would be "racist" to point that out. Of course, instead of seeing that, many in the true crime scene make up grand conspiracies that the US/Canadian governments are killing them so they can't have native babies. Like no disrespect, but I highly doubt the government gives a fuck about them one way or another. Natives haven't been a threat to anyone but themselves for a very long time.

Lmao yeah it was great to see the pozzed Trudeau regime full throatily (ofc) kickoff the nationwide mmwig2+tranny report and then only mention it again in passing and even then only glossing over what was found. Pretty much all violent crime is intra-racial, especially when you have places of 90% same ethnicity in isolated communities. I doubt pajeet or chang, well at least until recently, are out there driving to Kashechewan for bobs and vagene. Throw in the patchwork of jurisdiction and funding patchwork for FN/native places and how laughably bad the resultant product is, assuming there are even any cops or rcmp or troopers, then yeah no shit some domestic violence murder never goes to court.

 

[murph]

I have known many feather Indians and they were almost entirely just regular people. There were exceptions, but they were in their 20s and trying to be the badass crazy stereotype, pretty ridiculous.

I guess there are tribal leaders who are basically oligarchs on the res. Political bullshit is universal.

But the drinking stereotype is based on reality.

I don't dislike Injuns. What I hate is the phenomenon of white woman pretendians, which is where most of the grievances come from.

 

[Male Idiot]

What I hate is the phenomenon of white woman pretendians, which is where most of the grievances come from.

Those Karens improve nothing but dogs' sex lives.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Allowing them to keep their culture and not assimilate was such a stupid fucking decision. We're the only society in human history retarded enough to just give parts of our country away to the defeated side of a war. And all these gibs we've preferred have produced a dependency culture where everyone is a fat, alcoholic drug addict with diabetes. Modern native Americans are fucking worthless losers.

Assimilation was the policy with all shades of natives but now it's literal genocide to educate them to fit in.

 

[The Hardest R]

I’ve had the pleasure of working with tribal leaders including chiefs. A lot of senior-level tribal employees have degrees from places like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc. and most will pretend to be ignorant injuns but it’s an act. They got their local congressman on speed dial and will raise holy hell if they think they can extract money or favors from a perceived transgression. You almost buy into the act until you see they own several luxury SUVs and will “suggest” that you hire their brother, uncle, cousin, etc. as a contractor. Of course they don’t actually intend to do the work, you’re just indirectly funneling money to the tribal elders and the chief. Everything they tell you is bullshit and they know you know but they also know that the only reason you’re talking to them is that you need something from them. And they’re going to wet their beak as much as possible. By the end, you understand why their reservation is a shithole and the ones with the means either leave or exploit the guilt of the palefaces.

 

[Uncle Tom's Condo]

I’ve had the pleasure of working with tribal leaders including chiefs. A lot of senior-level tribal employees have degrees from places like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc. and most will pretend to be ignorant injuns but it’s an act. They got their local congressman on speed dial and will raise holy hell if they think they can extract money or favors from a perceived transgression. You almost buy into the act until you see they own several luxury SUVs and will “suggest” that you hire their brother, uncle, cousin, etc. as a contractor. Of course they don’t actually intend to do the work, you’re just indirectly funneling money to the tribal elders and the chief. Everything they tell you is bullshit and they know you know but they also know that the only reason you’re talking to them is that you need something from them. And they’re going to wet their beak as much as possible. By the end, you understand why their reservation is a shithole and the ones with the means either leave or exploit the guilt of the palefaces.

Yup. The tribal leadership is nobody's fool and will take you for whatever you have if they sense you're bleeding heart. They ain't stupid. And I don't blame them for doing it.