What are your thoughts on (or experiences with) Native Americans?

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I'm not even accounting for culture, which is ephemeral and hard to define, although I think that quite a bit of it has been lost or changed. It's more that in a few generations, most "Indians" are going to just be white trash with an asterisk, and I've never seen anyone address that.

They already are in some places. The modern Pequot tribe in New England is a mixture of people who are actually descended from the original Pequot tribe that mostly died out by 1800 and people whose ancestors lived in the same area and closely associated with them. They used to be a bunch of dirt poor Swamp Yankees until one day they decided to organize as an Indian tribe because some of them legitimately were Pequot-descended, and it worked and now the Pequots are rich and own a giant casino.

Other Indian tribes in eastern tribes seem to be trying the same grift but haven't been as successful. A lot of them are also part black because free black men had nobody to marry because of miscegenation laws so they'd marry Indian women (the Indian men were either dead or worked jobs that took them well away from that area) and the kids would be raised as Indians. That's where you get a bunch of these weird triracial groups who live in the hills. The Lumbee are the most famous but there's apparently a lot of them, basically the OG Amerimutts.

California has a similar thing where in many areas most Indians are basically just Mexicans who have lived in California for a lot longer than the amnesty Mexicans Ronald Reagan imported.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

I don’t know many Natives, but from what I’ve heard, most of them have massive victim mentalities.

 

[Steve Harwell's ghost]

They already are in some places. The modern Pequot tribe in New England is a mixture of people who are actually descended from the original Pequot tribe that mostly died out by 1800 and people whose ancestors lived in the same area and closely associated with them. They used to be a bunch of dirt poor Swamp Yankees until one day they decided to organize as an Indian tribe because some of them legitimately were Pequot-descended, and it worked and now the Pequots are rich and own a giant casino.

Other Indian tribes in eastern tribes seem to be trying the same grift but haven't been as successful. A lot of them are also part black because free black men had nobody to marry because of miscegenation laws so they'd marry Indian women (the Indian men were either dead or worked jobs that took them well away from that area) and the kids would be raised as Indians. That's where you get a bunch of these weird triracial groups who live in the hills. The Lumbee are the most famous but there's apparently a lot of them, basically the OG Amerimutts.

California has a similar thing where in many areas most Indians are basically just Mexicans who have lived in California for a lot longer than the amnesty Mexicans Ronald Reagan imported.

Mexicans are literally injuns that bred with Spaniards. In fact recently the jewsa has told these spic invaders they must identify as indo. I think that's the end game for this whole invasion, make them "native and the problem goes away.

 

[grump]

The vast majority of the Indian's victimization came about from disease and really there isn't much anyone could have done for that other than somehow ban all travel between the old and new world until the invention of germ theory.

As for the rest. Well. every group in history has been victimized. The difference is we give indians reparations and recognition for it. And really this might be the worst thing we've done to them yet. If you like to be a victim too much thats what you'll be forever.

 

[Jason Wynn]

I’ve only known a handful of Native Americans, but the handful I’ve known have been pretty based and didn’t play into the victim mentality bullshit. The feather Indians REALLY hate the dot Indians from my admittedly limited experience. The one stereotype that seemed to fit was most of them were very fond of their firewater, but they’d always be willing to share a drink with you. Hooked me up with some killer prices for tobacco as well, so they’re good in my book.

 

[Uncle Tom's Condo]

I’ve only known a handful of Native Americans, but the handful I’ve known have been pretty based and didn’t play into the victim mentality bullshit. The feather Indians REALLY hate the dot Indians from my admittedly limited experience. The one stereotype that seemed to fit was most of them were very fond of their firewater, but they’d always be willing to share a drink with you. Hooked me up with some killer prices for tobacco as well, so they’re good in my book.

Getting a handle and throwing away the cap is how they do it. I've been there a few times for it and they are indeed generous.

 

[RollerGator]

They are the biggest sore losers on the planet. 100 years from now they will still be crying about the white man kicking their asses.

 

[jershs compensation beard]

Best bead traders in the business. 10/10 and I didn't need to source from scalpers.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

They already are in some places. The modern Pequot tribe in New England is a mixture of people who are actually descended from the original Pequot tribe that mostly died out by 1800 and people whose ancestors lived in the same area and closely associated with them. They used to be a bunch of dirt poor Swamp Yankees until one day they decided to organize as an Indian tribe because some of them legitimately were Pequot-descended, and it worked and now the Pequots are rich and own a giant casino.

Other Indian tribes in eastern tribes seem to be trying the same grift but haven't been as successful. A lot of them are also part black because free black men had nobody to marry because of miscegenation laws so they'd marry Indian women (the Indian men were either dead or worked jobs that took them well away from that area) and the kids would be raised as Indians. That's where you get a bunch of these weird triracial groups who live in the hills. The Lumbee are the most famous but there's apparently a lot of them, basically the OG Amerimutts.

California has a similar thing where in many areas most Indians are basically just Mexicans who have lived in California for a lot longer than the amnesty Mexicans Ronald Reagan imported.

Or are descendants of the Indians’ slaves

 

[GoysGoneWild]

Never really known too many. Was good friends with a half Alaska Native, half White one when I worked abroad doing contracting. Absolutely hilarious dude, great attitude, intelligent. He would alternate between ragging on Natives in ways you couldn't imagine, and praising the fuck out of them. Same thing for his White half.

"Yeah my dad is white and drove around Alaska being poor and playing a guitar. My mom's native. It was inevitable."

"There's this fish catching thing in the rivers in Alaska. The river powers it and the fish just jump into it. Holy shit its so smart. You know a native didn't invent that shit!"

"Why are white people such fucking pussies holy shit"

"Every Native in Alaska got invincible at melee attacks cause the Satellites were so slow."

On the other hand I've driven through South Dakota and Montana, seen those absolute shitholes they call "nations". Same for the Iroquois in upstate NY. I'm a white nationalist but not really a chauvinist. I hope the Natives can get their shit together, I don't wish that misery on anyone except jews.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

Absolutely hilarious dude, great attitude, intelligent. He would alternate between ragging on Natives in ways you couldn't imagine, and praising the fuck out of them.

Trust me, when you come from a low performing minority and have brains, you almost always fall into the mentality of "Look at this shit, why can't we be fucking better? Well, we did some really cool shit at least, before it all went to hell." Humor is the only healthy way of coping with it. I'm thankful I was raised in the countryside and wasn't inculcated in victim mentality. Stoicism won't raise you out of poverty or make you smarter, but it gives you some dignity and the possibility of egress that wallowing in the pigshit of victimhood will never give you.

Anyways, I've dealt with Native Americans when I was on the mainland. I was mistaken for them all the time even by other Native Americans. The best response I ever got when I corrected some Salish guy and told them I was actually Hawaiian was "Brother, you guys are just Indians with sailboats." Nearly every one of them told me that if you wanted to get anywhere in life, you had to get as far away from the rez as possible, but at the same time realized that you were cutting yourself off from your mother culture in doing so, both the horrible aspects and the good aspects.

That's the devil's bargain of assimilation. You get a future, but at the price of your ancestors pasts. It's hard for people outside it to really get that sense of loss. It's why I don't disrespect WNs even though I'm not white. They get it better than most whites do.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

disclaimer: i am not american

from what i've seen, they seem to be a people (or rather, multiple separate peoples) broken by defeat, and now unable to move on or develop in any meaningful way because their cultures were just way too far behind to ever catch up with the modern world. they would probably be better off today if the US had forcefully assimilated them all a hundred years ago.

like, the japanese are another example of culture shock, where they had been super isolated on their islands for hundreds of years, until one day american ships showed up with cannons and made them realize just how far they had fallen behind the rest of the world.
but with japan the gap was not insurmountable. they were backwards yes, a feudal society, but still civilized and organized, so they were able to very quickly catch up and develop into a great power themselves.
with native americans i think no such thing was ever possible, because their cultures were just way too far behind. tribal nomadic hunter-gatherer societies are just completely non-viable in the modern world.

They're hardcore alcoholics. That's all. The firewater rots their brains and always will unless something drastic is done.

 

[Prester John]

I love their jewelry.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

I love their jewelry.

The turquoise and silver is absolutely stunning

 

[jertzog]

I think Putin should take an interest in repatriating them to Siberia. The exact mountain range that every "native" "aboriginal" of North and South America traces back to has been located.
Come home, leather man.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Negative, and I am one. It's not that we're naturally awful, but there's a monstrous addiction to gibs afflicting many tribal members right now. It's also disappointing that so many of us retain odd superstitions about nature; when I was a kid, my mom went on a rampage one day destroying owl images around the house because owls are supposed to be a bad omen.

 

[Uncle Tom's Condo]

There's this fish catching thing in the rivers in Alaska. The river powers it and the fish just jump into it. Holy shit its so smart. You know a native didn't invent that shit!"

Those things are called fish wheels. It's basically a floating wheel in the river with baskets that act as scoops and the water flowing down the river turns them and fish get caught in the basket so when the wheel rotates the fish get dumped into a basket.

http://michaelquinton.com/blog/copper-river-fish-wheel/

Copper River king salmon are going for almost $500 per fish in Seattle right now. Goddamn.

Negative, and I am one. It's not that we're naturally awful, but there's a monstrous addiction to gibs afflicting many tribal members right now.

Welfare is corrosive long-term regardless of skin color.

Funniest thing, I had an ex-gf whose grandma would yell at her 'our ancestors didn't survive the trail of tears so you could complain about [whatever nonsense]' and grandma was a no bullshit hard woman.

 

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It's also disappointing that so many of us retain odd superstitions about nature;

How? How do you retain anything at all from a culture that was entirely erased? You guys just making shit up based on what some white guy said your ancestors used to do? Your culture and history was erased and rewritten by white guys. How do you even know which parts, if any, are legit?

 

[Uncle Tom's Condo]

How? How do you retain anything at all from a culture that was entirely erased? You guys just making shit up based on what some white guy said your ancestors used to do? Your culture and history was erased and rewritten by white guys. How do you even know which parts, if any, are legit?

It wasn't, though. Yeah those Connecticut "tribes" and other east coast casino types are all bullshit. Once you get away from that and the totally not mexican tribes in SoCal, the culture changed but never went away.. The 'frontier' only closed in 1890 and then you had the reserves and reservations settle into a state of neglect until AIM started up in the late 60's. There were attempts to assimilate the natives through boarding schools and residential schools and BIA but it was mostly a veneer of the west over the native. Lots of molestation, though.

Spoiler: PL Time

I used to work with an older guy who got beaten in the 50's for speaking his native language with his friends at recess. Guy wasn't making shit up for sympathy nor, oddly, did he seem bitter about it. His grandparents were born in 1900 or so (they didn't have birth certs or speak any western language), so they passed on whatever traditions and knowledge to him and he did the same to his grandkids. It's not 100% the same before whitey showed up but there's still a component of the culture there. Everyone and every tribe/band is different, however, but from what I've seen most natives are somewhere between Tony Soprano and a FOB dago on the old country culture scale.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

How? How do you retain anything at all from a culture that was entirely erased? You guys just making shit up based on what some white guy said your ancestors used to do? Your culture and history was erased and rewritten by white guys. How do you even know which parts, if any, are legit?

I wouldn't go so far as to say it was erased. If anything, it only became more concrete after white people introduced the concept of maintaining an actual written language.